base talk Renaissance WT Movie struggles badly overseas, opens with 5.5M (official)

[Steve Johnson]

5 hours ago, BtDecember said:

Let's compare Beyonce at 33 and Taylor at 33 then? 

 

[BGKC]

1 hour ago, Alexz said:

Beyoncé depends on writing camps though. And we have seen all the demos of identical songs that she supposedely wrote.

The point was Bey successfully innovates and surrounds herself with a good, trusted team that compliments her style and vision that allow her to have such longevity. It’s not sMokE anD MirRoRs as if there’s some conspiracy behind Beyoncé being revered by the industry/public. Like no writing camp in the world can resurrect many of the pop stars Beyonce eventually outlasted. She’s a star rated vocalist that’s capable of songwriting with impeccable harmonies, writing just isn’t her strong suit. Much like Taylor is a weak vocalist but creates infectious melodies, they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but you already knew that. 

Edited December 5, 2023 by BGKC

[HANZ94]

Not surprised 

Taylor is bigger than Beyoncé in every possible way and I don’t stan either of them 

[Gaia]

6 hours ago, BtDecember said:

Let's compare Beyonce at 33 and Taylor at 33 then? 

And the rest? 
 

Was Beyonce a blonde white woman at 33?

 

Was Beyonce making bland pop music for mass consumption at 33 with lyrics like “it’s me hi I’m the problem it’s me”?

 

Was the market the same in 2013/2014 as it is in 2023 to compare by age? Let’s use that tiny little brain of yours for some critical thinking. 
 

If you think comparing an album like Renaissance to basic pop fodder like Midnights and Lover is reasonable then lmao. 
 

Surprise! Grimes’ alternative music isn’t mass consumed like an Ariana Grande album! 

 

 

 

[PrudenceHCharmed]

6 hours ago, ugo said:

yeah sure let's act like Japan will stan 

Okay? It is also being released later in Brasil which is considered as one of her biggest market & fan base there. 

 

The point is it's Beyonce's fault for releasing her movie in such a messy and organized way hence the 'flop' plus the movie would probably not going to be released in Malaysia anyways due to pro-LGBT theme & sexual content. 

[Bloo]

54 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Was Beyonce making bland pop music for mass consumption at 33 with lyrics like “it’s me hi I’m the problem it’s me”?

You can take a lyrical slice of almost any song and make it sound dumb out of context.

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Beyoncé and Taylor are both world class artists and excel in different things. Y’all can love both. They’re both billionaires so fussing about either’s accomplishments is bizarre. But, I’m sure y’all will still find a way to do it. 

[perfillusion]

According to official numbers (not estimates), the number outside the US is actually 5.5M, not 6.4M. But in the US it did a little better than estimates: 21.8M

[WildHeart]

32 minutes ago, perfillusion said:

According to official numbers (not estimates), the number outside the US is actually 5.5M, not 6.4M. But in the US it did a little better than estimates: 21.8M

Mess... 

 

Updated the OP, thanks. 

[charot]

45 minutes ago, perfillusion said:

According to official numbers (not estimates), the number outside the US is actually 5.5M, not 6.4M. But in the US it did a little better than estimates: 21.8M

Her last global hit was Love On Top and that's ages ago, no surprise people have forgotten about her.

[littlebodybigheart]

3 hours ago, Gaia said:

And the rest? 
 

Was Beyonce a blonde white woman at 33?

 

Was Beyonce making bland pop music for mass consumption at 33 with lyrics like “it’s me hi I’m the problem it’s me”?

 

Was the market the same in 2013/2014 as it is in 2023 to compare by age? Let’s use that tiny little brain of yours for some critical thinking. 
 

If you think comparing an album like Renaissance to basic pop fodder like Midnights and Lover is reasonable then lmao. 
 

Surprise! Grimes’ alternative music isn’t mass consumed like an Ariana Grande album! 

 

 

 

no way you just compared beyonce to ******* grimes

 

beyonce fans really are out here thinking she’s some kind of alanis when she’s making the same lil generic pop music. to taylor’s credit, at least she writes the music herself. cause imagine hiring a whole writing camp and STILL making generic pop music…now that’s tragic.

[Alexz]

1 hour ago, charot said:

Her last global hit was Love On Top and that's ages ago, no surprise people have forgotten about her.

LOT was not a hit but it endured through time and streaming but it was not a hit. Her last global hit was If I Were A Boy.

[Alexz]

21 minutes ago, littlebodybigheart said:

imagine hiring a whole writing camp and STILL making generic pop music…

Isn't this exactly what Beyoncé does?

[Opulence]

18 pages of mostly miserable people arguing on the internet with strangers over two women that are good with each other and could care less about all of this. It's the end of the year, please log off and go find some joy and happiness in your lives. 

[charot]

4 minutes ago, Alexz said:

LOT was not a hit but it endured through time and streaming but it was not a hit. Her last global hit was If I Were A Boy.

I know nothing about its sales or chart performance but it's very known is one of her signature hits. Some songs just feel bigger than their charts performance.

[HappierJealousy]

2 hours ago, perfillusion said:

According to official numbers (not estimates), the number outside the US is actually 5.5M, not 6.4M. But in the US it did a little better than estimates: 21.8M

Not 5.5M in the whole world 

The Eras opens with 7M in the UK 

[perfillusion]

2 hours ago, charot said:

Her last global hit was Love On Top and that's ages ago, no surprise people have forgotten about her.

 

57 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

Not 5.5M in the whole world 

The Eras opens with 7M in the UK 

She really THOUGHT she can compete with TayLORD  

[perfillusion]

2 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Mess... 

 

Updated the OP, thanks. 

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl347177729/?ref_=bo_hm_rd
 

 

[Steve Johnson]

3 hours ago, perfillusion said:

According to official numbers (not estimates), the number outside the US is actually 5.5M, not 6.4M. But in the US it did a little better than estimates: 21.8M

[istan4badgalriri]

4 hours ago, charot said:

Her last global hit was Love On Top and that's ages ago, no surprise people have forgotten about her.

Cuff It (2022) ?  

[sasashite]

Never beating local allegations 

[Enrique523]

11 hours ago, Gaia said:

And the rest? 
 

Was Beyonce a blonde white woman at 33?

 

Was Beyonce making bland pop music for mass consumption at 33 with lyrics like “it’s me hi I’m the problem it’s me”?

 

Was the market the same in 2013/2014 as it is in 2023 to compare by age? Let’s use that tiny little brain of yours for some critical thinking. 
 

If you think comparing an album like Renaissance to basic pop fodder like Midnights and Lover is reasonable then lmao. 
 

Surprise! Grimes’ alternative music isn’t mass consumed like an Ariana Grande album! 

 

 

 

Why are you acting as if Beyonce's music was more intellectual in ANY way at 33? Especially since you're going out of your way of just citing some specific lyrics and not the whole song in a lame attempt to "drag" Taylor 

 

Renaissance has a LOT of crappy lyrics all over the place, this idea that Beyonce has better or more mature lyrics is LAUGHABLE 

Especially since it's a very commercial album to begin with, it's DANCE MUSIC. But keep living in your hateful delusions, that's not gonna change reality 

Edited December 5, 2023 by Enrique523

[Enrique523]

9 hours ago, Bloo said:

You can take a lyrical slice of almost any song and make it sound dumb out of context.

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Beyoncé and Taylor are both world class artists and excel in different things. Y’all can love both. They’re both billionaires so fussing about either’s accomplishments is bizarre. But, I’m sure y’all will still find a way to do it. 

That's what OTHs always do with Taylor's lyrics, they always take them out of context because there's NO WAY you can come for her lyrics when you take her entire discography in the equation. But OTHs are ALWAYS arguing in bad faith, this is nothing new 

[Zaram]

We always said that Beyonce is local to the US and it's just another proof.

There is a reason why she barely appears on any global list.

[KillingYourCareer]

13 hours ago, elincomprendid said:

So what I see is that you don't have a single example of what taylor is CURRENTLY doing for this "parasocial" relationship? Thanks for proving my point

What more does she have to do now that she has hundreds of thousands of people buying 20 versions of the same record? She has achieved her goal amazingly

[Dzjxdzjx]

10 hours ago, Gaia said:

Was Beyonce a blonde white woman at 33?

Actually, she kind of was.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Dzjxdzjx