base talk Renaissance WT Movie struggles badly overseas, opens with 5.5M (official)

[greento]

25 minutes ago, LOTF said:

You thought you ate

SCAMmys mean nothing lmao

So what does mean something? Random middle aged men from Rolling Stone and Pitchfork telling you that Renaissance is a 9.2? 

[Gaia]

On 12/3/2023 at 1:35 PM, Distantconstellation said:

You talk about taylor swift like shes a spring chicken? Shes in her mid 30s and has been around since 2006/2007.  Taylor swift isnt a new comer, shes a veteran in the music industry at this point so using the age thing wont work here. 

Taylor Swift is literally 10 years younger than Beyonce and is a blonde white woman who makes music meant for mass consumption  

 

It’s apples and oranges. I don’t like Beyonce but we’re not gonna act like Renaissance being aimed at the black female and queer community is comparable to Taylor’s lullabies meant for mass teen girl consumption. 
 

Let’s also not forgo the fact that Taylor literally promotes unhealthy fan habits in her fanbase for profit. Beyonce doesn’t even acknowledge her fans most of the time   Taylor has also specifically began to cater to younger fans through usage of meme lyrics for TikTok and promoting all over TikTok. 
 

When Taylor is pulling these numbers in her 40s then compare her to Beyonce. You’re saying mid-30s like she’s 37. She’s 33.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by Gaia

[BraveNewSeth]

8 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

Beyoncé debuted 3 years before Taylor, bffr. She was not THEE Beyoncé during her girls group era.

…no, I’m pretty sure she was still Beyoncé before 2003  It’s so weird to me how people on this site try and drag her because they think she promotes herself as some untouchable goddess, yet they’ll turn around at the drop of the dime and call her “tHeE bEyOncé.” Pick a side and stick with it. 

[BtDecember]

22 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Taylor Swift is literally 10 years younger than Beyonce and is a blonde white woman who makes music meant for mass consumption  

 

It’s apples and oranges. I don’t like Beyonce but we’re not gonna act like Renaissance being aimed at the black female and queer community is comparable to Taylor’s lullabies meant for mass teen girl consumption. 
 

Let’s also not forgo the fact that Taylor literally promotes unhealthy fan habits in her fanbase for profit. Beyonce doesn’t even acknowledge her fans most of the time   Taylor has also specifically began to cater to younger fans through usage of meme lyrics for TikTok and promoting all over TikTok. 
 

When Taylor is pulling these numbers in her 40s then compare her to Beyonce. You’re saying mid-30s like she’s 37. She’s 33.

 

 

Let's compare Beyonce at 33 and Taylor at 33 then? 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Gaia said:

Taylor Swift is literally 10 years younger than Beyonce and is a blonde white woman who makes music meant for mass consumption  

 

It’s apples and oranges. I don’t like Beyonce but we’re not gonna act like Renaissance being aimed at the black female and queer community is comparable to Taylor’s lullabies meant for mass teen girl consumption. 
 

Let’s also not forgo the fact that Taylor literally promotes unhealthy fan habits in her fanbase for profit. Beyonce doesn’t even acknowledge her fans most of the time   Taylor has also specifically began to cater to younger fans through usage of meme lyrics for TikTok and promoting all over TikTok. 
 

When Taylor is pulling these numbers in her 40s then compare her to Beyonce. You’re saying mid-30s like she’s 37. She’s 33.

 

 

Thanks for confirming that you know NOTHING about Taylor's discography as a whole 

 

And not you acting as if Beyonce is doing artsy underground music. Renaissance is a dance album and MANY dance albums had massive success over the years. Just stop already with the ignorance 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, BtDecember said:

Let's compare Beyonce at 33 and Taylor at 33 then? 

Oops 

[MidnightsAtPeace]

41 minutes ago, Gaia said:

 

Let’s also not forgo the fact that Taylor literally promotes unhealthy fan habits in her fanbase for profit. Beyonce doesn’t even acknowledge her fans most of the time   

How is this something to brag about?

[Sannie]

Bey is an amazing example of what having a good PR team can do for someone. Almost every aspect of her musical career is inflated in terms of success. The only part that is genuine is probably the touring. Her sales, her charting, her impact music-wise is inflated heavily and stuff like this proves that. They make her seem like she is on Taylor's level when she is on about 40% of her level. I do not get it. It is always embarrassing for her when stuff like this happens and they can not fudge the numbers.

[KillingYourCareer]

20 hours ago, elincomprendid said:

The only thing that Taylor does is being down to earth and not being conceited despite her clearly huge and excessive fame and wealth, something that most other artists can't do. Is not about her actively working on a parasocial relationship or however you want to call it.

Now she can't act like a normal human being without you all trying to label it as a plan to create fandoms just cause other eccentric popstars brainwashed you all

Are you for real? She's been doing massive fan service since the Fearless era. It's not about being down to earth, it's being a marketing genius and even she has admitted marketing would be her career hadn't she become a successful musician. And it doesn't take anything away from her, as long as people get obsessed with her and fantasize about being her besties and her soulmates then it's working.

[Finkypop]

29 minutes ago, BtDecember said:

Let's compare Beyonce at 33 and Taylor at 33 then? 

[Sharie]

50 minutes ago, BtDecember said:

Let's compare Beyonce at 33 and Taylor at 33 then? 

Suddenly it's crickets from the "alternative/experimental elderly woman" fan base 

[ugo]

6 hours ago, PrudenceHCharmed said:

I read that it's not showing in Indonesia, Vietnam and Malaysia and will be late release in Japan? This might be the reason of it. 

 

Beyonce and her messy release. 

yeah sure let's act like Japan will stan 

[Damien M]

I hadn’t realized how racist the discourse around Taylor Swift and Beyonce is, until lately. Yikes! 
 

Ppl want to “put” Beyonce “in her place” SO BAD. 

[Alexz]

8 minutes ago, ugo said:

yeah sure let's act like Japan will stan 

[LOTF]

5 hours ago, bjorn said:

Taylor does 

Taylor is having a huge peak right now, arguably the best ever. And even with that, Madonna remains #1. Taylor may snatch biggest tour but Madonna is doing incredibly well too and she's being been doing so in 5 different decades. Not to mention, she's still higher at Billboard's all-time lists (even after updated estimates).

[LOTF]

2 hours ago, greento said:

So what does mean something? Random middle aged men from Rolling Stone and Pitchfork telling you that Renaissance is a 9.2? 

And what exactly is the Grammy voting committee if not that?
Ultimately, if I were to blindly follow the opinion of someone else, I wouldn't go with a shady faceless committee which has proven to play favorites and actively avoid awarding music that is not palatable to middle White America.

[LOTF]

But anyways, this topic is about Beyoncé so I will say I am not surprised this film isn't making as much money as the one released by OP's fave because it is promoting an album by a black woman who not only is highly sexual but also because Beyoncé has made it an integral part of her brand to be all about uplifting Black people and denouncing the hardships they endure.

[ugo]

33 minutes ago, LOTF said:

And what exactly is the Grammy voting committee if not that?
Ultimately, if I were to blindly follow the opinion of someone else, I wouldn't go with a shady faceless committee which has proven to play favorites and actively avoid awarding music that is not palatable to middle White America.

Neither should we go for a few critics then. 

[Jay07]

6 hours ago, on the line said:

And some can't even string together the words "Karma is a cat" by themselves.

 

 

 

 

I mean, some people claim to be singers and can't hit a note if it was staring them in the face so what can I say? We live in strange times.

[elincomprendid]

3 hours ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Are you for real? She's been doing massive fan service since the Fearless era. It's not about being down to earth, it's being a marketing genius and even she has admitted marketing would be her career hadn't she become a successful musician. And it doesn't take anything away from her, as long as people get obsessed with her and fantasize about being her besties and her soulmates then it's working.

So what I see is that you don't have a single example of what taylor is CURRENTLY doing for this "parasocial" relationship? Thanks for proving my point

[on the line]

1 hour ago, Jay07 said:

I mean, some people claim to be singers and can't hit a note if it was staring them in the face so what can I say? We live in strange times.

Please stay on topic, this isn't about Britney. Thanks!

[Taylor fanboy]

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[BGKC]

4 hours ago, Sannie said:

Bey is an amazing example of what having a good PR team can do for someone. Almost every aspect of her musical career is inflated in terms of success. The only part that is genuine is probably the touring. Her sales, her charting, her impact music-wise is inflated heavily and stuff like this proves that. They make her seem like she is on Taylor's level when she is on about 40% of her level. I do not get it. It is always embarrassing for her when stuff like this happens and they can not fudge the numbers.

Only Beyoncé was never the biggest pop star at any point in her career. She was always consistently near the top in some way, outlasting her peers based on two things. Talent and the ability to successfully innovate. Stans just go out of their way to make believe her longevity and accolades have nothing to do with her being better trained, disciplined professional than most of her peers. She also didn’t depend on the Max Martins of Dr Luke’s of the industry to create this buffer over the fact that a lot of these pop stars lack rhythm and raw talent lol. An inflated musical status is when you realize a pop star is nothing without a radio hit, struggling to sell albums without any real touring demand. Like why else would she be the touring demand that she is? (The only supposed thing that’s not inflated about her musical career) 

 
Like there is no “they” making it seem like Bey’s on Taylor’s level (commercially speaking). Just people who feel some type of way about the way she’s admired and praised. The microagressions. People who come of the woodwork to discredit Bey, devaluing the influence and impact she‘s made on pop/black culture as if her fans have no right to praise her to such an extent. As if sales and chart positions should be the only thing to validate such praise. Dumb and transparent. 

Edited December 5, 2023 by BGKC

[Shelter]

Surprise surprise, look who the OP is. You’re so pathetic  

[Alexz]

10 minutes ago, BGKC said:

Only Beyoncé was never the biggest pop star at any point in her career. She was always consistently near the top in some way, outlasting her peers based on two things. Talent and the ability to successfully innovate. Stans just go out of their way to make believe her longevity and accolades have nothing to do with her being better trained, disciplined professional than most of her peers. She also didn’t depend on the Max Martins of Dr Luke’s of the industry to create this buffer over the fact that a lot of these pop stars lack rhythm and raw talent lol. An inflated musical status is when you realize a pop star is nothing without a radio hit, struggling to sell albums without any real touring demand. Like why else would she be the touring demand that she is? (The only supposed thing that’s not inflated about her musical career) 

 
Like there is no “they” making it seem like Bey’s on Taylor’s level (commercially speaking). Just people who feel some type of way about the way she’s admired and praised. The microagressions. People who come of the woodwork to discredit Bey, devaluing the influence and impact she‘s made on pop/black culture as if her fans have no right to praise her to such an extent. As if sales and chart positions should be the only thing to validate such praise. Dumb and transparent. 

Beyoncé depends on writing camps though. And we have seen all the demos of identical songs that she supposedely wrote.