discussion Do you believe in “Cats should be banned outdoors”

[bjorn]

Because they’re a danger to wildlife? 
 

What are your thoughts? Should cats be BANNED to roam freely outdoors because our ecosystem will then collapse?

 

thoughts?? 
 

[Dancehall Queen]

Is this a UK vs the US thread? 

[Into The Void]

Idk but there's alot of strays out there how do u suppose we ban them?

Edited December 3, 2023 by Insanity

[flower moon]

here in new zealand 100%. so many of our native animals (mostly birds) are already endangered so...

[Prodigal Self]

Well yes! If your domesticated pet is roaming the streets, you're a bad owner!

[Breathe On Moi]

yes, street cats are literally shitting in ppl’s yards, eating endangered species and reproducing at alarming rates, very invasive species behavior ala white Europeans circa 1400’s…wonder what Doja has to say about this 

[Archetype]

Domesticated cats have been around for over 10,000 years, and within the past 200, humans have trained them to be lazy, fat, and diabetic.  If other small animals, which are supposed to be able to survive in the wild, can’t outrun or fly away from a simple house cat that has never needed to hunt for food in its life, then maybe cats aren’t the problem.  

[JoJo]

I saw a cat get hit by a car a few months ago. imo anyone who lets their cat go outside unsupervised should not be a pet owner.

[Strawberry Bubble]

Yes, and they are not only a threat to wildlife, but they can basically die outside at anytime. Cats that stay indoor have larger and healthier lives. 

[BGKC]

I think it depends. A lot of cats do have a strong urge to run outside and end up becoming becoming escape artists. I always have to be extra careful about not letting my cat out, especially because I live on a busy street in an urban area. Even if when she does manage to run outside, she freezes up and is too afraid to go beyond the stoop.  I think it’s fine for cats that live in rural areas tho where they’re not too threatened (by human interference). Like yea, the birds and bee’s in such would be threatened, but we in itself are the worst, most invasive species on the planet going on about how we need to prevent other species from being invasive all while being invasive with our pets, grass lawns, cars etc etc, like please. 

[Prodigal Self]

5 minutes ago, BGKC said:

A lot of cats do have a strong urge to run outside and end up becoming becoming escape artists.

They don't if you fix them. Easy!

[flower moon]

49 minutes ago, Archetype said:

Domesticated cats have been around for over 10,000 years, and within the past 200, humans have trained them to be lazy, fat, and diabetic.  If other small animals, which are supposed to be able to survive in the wild, can’t outrun or fly away from a simple house cat that has never needed to hunt for food in its life, then maybe cats aren’t the problem.  

youve gotta to be trolling right? 

invasive species decimating native populations goes so much further than just losing a species or two that was "weak". it can effect the entire local ecosystem which in turn can harm species of all kinds, even those 'stronger" than the invasive ones..

and all so someone can have a pet

Edited December 3, 2023 by flower moon

[Archetype]

Just now, flower moon said:

youve gotta to be trolling right? 

invasive species decimating native populations goes so much further than just losing a species or two that was "weak". it can effect the entire local ecosystem which in turn can harm species of all kinds, even those 'stronger" than the invasive ones..

Domesticated owned cats, which is what I’m talking about, are not decimating native populations by any means nor are they capable of doing so.  A cat bringing back a squirrel to its owner every 2 years is not destroying anything. 

Second of all, cats ARE native to pretty much every continent, but those cats were 10x more dangerous than domesticated cats could ever be.  So what exactly is the real problem?  If it’s with all stray animals, then you could have a point.  Don’t feed strays and report them to your local animal control.  Unfortunately people don’t do that and then you could end up with a problem.

[BGKC]

5 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said:

They don't if you fix them. Easy!

Not always the case. People adopt cats from feral backgrounds of all different ages. Not every cat owner has cats who know nothing beyond their front or back door. Fixing them helps the reproductive urge, which is a lot, but it won’t stop other instinctual urges like hunting and playing depending on their past/early life. 

[flower moon]

16 minutes ago, Archetype said:

Domesticated owned cats, which is what I’m talking about, are not decimating native populations by any means nor are they capable of doing so.  A cat bringing back a squirrel to its owner every 2 years is not destroying anything. 

Second of all, cats ARE native to pretty much every continent, but those cats were 10x more dangerous than domesticated cats could ever be.  So what exactly is the real problem?  If it’s with all stray animals, then you could have a point.  Don’t feed strays and report them to your local animal control.  Unfortunately people don’t do that and then you could end up with a problem.

they certainly have the potential to. every person i know who owns a cat talks about their cat bringing in dead animal (mostly birds) and in my part of the world (asia/pasific) they are not native. a house cat is pretty much an apex predator in new zealand, on top of possum, rats, and other pests which are already doing huge amount of damage.

you suggesting that we just let these native species die out because they cant 'outrun' a cat is absolutely ignorant madness.

pets should be tightly controlled/restricted and strays euthanised. (in nz anyway)

Edited December 3, 2023 by flower moon

[BletaRexher]

Every single person I’ve known who lets their cat go in and outside has had their cat die prematurely outside. 
So if you hate your cat let it be outside I guess. It’s low key animal abuse in my opinion. I have no idea how you could love a cat then be like “k, now go fend for yourself and get run over now kitty!”

[glitch]

Most people let their cats come and go as they please in the UK. I've always thought keeping them locked up inside is a bit weird. The benefit of having a cat over a dog is you don't need to worry about walking it and they don't need constant attention, so you can leave them alone for hours at a time. You can even go on holiday and someone just needs to come round a couple of times a day to top up their food and water.

 

When I see people online putting their cats on a lead, taking them for a walk and rubbing their bellies I'm thinking...babes you bought the wrong pet

 

OT: Obviously this is under the proviso that the cat has been neutered!

Edited December 3, 2023 by glitch

[What_A_Mess]

Yes. In areas with no natural predators and with lots of endangered species. Like in Scotland where they are interbreeding with Scottish Wildcats and ruining the unique gene pool

[charot]

No. Let them hunt and spread cuteness

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by charot

[awong918]

Yes.

 

1 hour ago, Archetype said:

Domesticated cats have been around for over 10,000 years, and within the past 200, humans have trained them to be lazy, fat, and diabetic.  If other small animals, which are supposed to be able to survive in the wild, can’t outrun or fly away from a simple house cat that has never needed to hunt for food in its life, then maybe cats aren’t the problem.  

Uhm... is a newborn bird expected to outrun or fly away from a cat? 

[americanshameless]

1 hour ago, flower moon said:

youve gotta to be trolling right? 

invasive species decimating native populations goes so much further than just losing a species or two that was "weak". it can effect the entire local ecosystem which in turn can harm species of all kinds, even those 'stronger" than the invasive ones..

and all so someone can have a pet

And that is a cats problem how?

 

Cats are destined to rule the world, **** them birds!

[truthteller]

no but people should be banned

[americanshameless]

39 minutes ago, glitch said:

The benefit of having a cat over a dog is you don't need to worry about walking it and they don't need constant attention

Massive stereotype 

[BlackAura]

The only places where cats aren't native are Australia and New Zealand and some other small islands... In NA,SA,Asia,Europe and Africa, domesticated cats filled the niche of wild cats, so ?

[Lorelei]

12 minutes ago, americanshameless said:

And that is a cats problem how?

 

Cats are destined to rule the world, **** them birds!

 

You don't become a legend in the animal species by playing nice, stay out of cats' business or deal with the consequences 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Lorelei