celeb news Disney to move away from films with progressive messages, says CEO Bob Iger

[Sugar-Rush]

Hopefully they'll also consider making more original movies and not rely on live action remakes.

[DAP]

At least they’ll still be inclusive exploiting their workers no matter gay, straight, black, white, adult, child, healthy, sick, or dead. 

 

[Riot]

We need Disney movies with a REAL villain again!

 

And stop with this remakes non-sense where they're never as good as the originals.

[Smarticle]

The remakes need to stop I'll say that. All the live action remakes and making sequels like Frozen 3 and Toy Story 5 like what 

 

Having a POC actor or showcasing an LGBTQ+ character for 2 seconds should never be a problem in an ideal world

 

 

[Katy V.!]

We're 6 months away from "Make Disney Villains Gay Again" 

[ShouldersSideways]

Totally missing the mark as usual since he returned to the job. Perhaps people are fatigued of all your IP because you're churning out 'content' at a dizzying rate instead of focusing on making quality work. 

 

People don't mind message oriented work that is entertaining. The problem with Disney is they suck the soul out of everything they acquire now.

[Shimenawa]

They should focus on Queen Maleficent!

[Psylocke]

2 hours ago, Riot said:

We need Disney movies with a REAL villain again!

We need them to be queer coded again. They made the villains straight and they haven't recovered since!

 

 

[If U Seek Amy]

6 hours ago, ugo said:

The problem has never been progressive messages but the way they only focused on making it "woke" while ignoring the plot and the characters

 

My exact thoughts. Most people don't have problems with that aspect of it, though of course they exist. It is just new content and characters fail to garner interest/inspire. Any I see seem so cookie cutter and boring. And I get I am an adult and all that but it doesn't stop me from enjoying lots of older stuff so I really don't think it is that, as it is for many. Also as an aside, try actually marketing content better so more people know it comes out

[BNF91]

Can that stupid Moana remake with The Rock for starters

[PillowCase]

It feels like they are about to move away from their entire mode of operation. Even their film release schedule is muted.

[poki]

Pixar has always been politically progressive and gave us cultural resets that made bank and are highly acclaimed

 

A Bug's Life = removing a dictatorship

Monsters Inc. = rejection of fossil fuel

Cars = Money doesn't buy happiness

Ratatouille = it doesn't matter where you come from, talent can be from anywhere

 

???

Why can't Disney in 2023?

[poki]

We need classic villiains in their modern fairytales. This world has evil in it. Stop setting up children for failure and dissapointment. 

 

Silver's redemption arc worked because of how real Jim and Silver's connection was. The father / son they never had. Give us more of that if you want redemption arcs. Please Disney. 

[KingWitch]

"Go woke,go broke" indeed .

[Aethereal]

Moana was a POC female hero and it was highly successful (more than Tangled and Brave) and it served quality. 

[qurl]

the issue is that the messages got so heavy handed that they were practically whacking kids (and parents) over the head with them … came off as pandering

 

but this will galvanize conservatives into thinking they were right all along. they instead focus on doing movies that have inclusive messages that are more latent cuz those end up resonating better and for longer … to give in completely to the conservative right is stupid and will not lead to more success

[Aethereal]

4 minutes ago, qurl said:

the issue is that the messages got so heavy handed that they were practically whacking kids (and parents) over the head with them … came off as pandering

 

but this will galvanize conservatives into thinking they were right all along. they instead focus on doing movies that have inclusive messages that are more latent cuz those end up resonating better and for longer … to give in completely to the conservative right is stupid and will not lead to more success

Pandering and creatively bankrupt, total turn off. 

 

We've had gay characters in Sailor Moon and POC characters in Disney and not as many argued against that before. The thing is, as soon as Disney started becoming more progressive they started putting POC, feminism and gay characters all together in just one movie. This happened only few years after making safe stories with predominantly white characters for a string of decades.

 

There would be nothing wrong with this if it was just a matter of storyline creativity but it's actually just pandering. 

 

 

[AMIT]

Disney will never stop with the remakes/sequels/prequels etc IP rehashing. The entire system breeds repetition because it's what's safe and the higher up execs/stockholders don't want to gamble with their profit margins. This means that if anything they will start doing even more of them. Y'all thought Marvel/Star Wars IP milking was bad, better buckle up for what's coming. 

[Pink Ranger]

50 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

Moana was a POC female hero and it was highly successful (more than Tangled and Brave) and it served quality. 

It was an original movie with a good story and wasn’t message heavy which is why it was successful, disneys problem is trying to incorporate too many “messages” rather than just trying to entertain like they use to. 
 

I LOVED the little mermaid and Halle Bailey was perfectly cast in my opinion but that movie was always going to be DOA because they race bended the character so many people loved and adored, something Disney didn’t need to do as they could have found a pasty red head to do the role even if she didn’t sing and someone else did (greatest showman style) and ironically, that probably would have been more successful regardless of Halle’s extreme talent and embodiment of the character because people already wrote LM off because of Halle Baileys casting sadly.

 

same will happen with Snow White because for someone with “skin as white as snow” to cast a Latina in the role regardless of talent is going to turn audiences off because it’s not what they think of when it comes to the character Snow White , BATB was successful because they had Emma Watson who embodied a lot of similarities of Belle, being a lover of books and had the “look” of the OG character despite not being able to hold a single note  

 

Aladdin again was perfectly cast. 
 

no one is saying Disney shouldn’t cater to all audiences, but what people are wanting is for Disney to make original content with POC characters like Moana, Encanto, PATF rather than trying to change already established beloved characters. 
 

which is a shame because if you audition for a role and get it based of your talent that should be enough, regardless of your race but Disney have been trying to make up for decades and decades of lack of diversity but doing it in a way that feels “forced” isn’t doing them any favours. 

[carameldelight]

This is so stupid. 

[Lovett]

13 minutes ago, Pink Ranger said:

no one is saying Disney shouldn’t cater to all audiences, but what people are wanting is for Disney to make original content with POC characters like Moana, Encanto, PATF rather than trying to change already established beloved characters. 

Because Wish is smashing so hard at the box office right now, right?

[Arcadius]

6 hours ago, Lovett said:

Because Wish is smashing so hard at the box office right now, right?

Well, Wish also has terrible reviews and mediocre audience scores. I think Elemental is a better example of how audiences will show up for Disney if the material is good. 

[Pink Ranger]

7 hours ago, Lovett said:

Because Wish is smashing so hard at the box office right now, right?

Wish isn’t smashing because people are fed up with Disney and are boycotting it because of all the message heavy films.  If Wish had come out in 2019-2021 it would’ve smashed. 

[Album Leak]

This is such a weird takeaway on why Disney is struggling.

 

Disney Renaissance had tons of '' progressive messages '' all the while showcasing a diverse cast in a good bunch of the movies, and in the Post-Renaissance era, the white (hetero) male fronted movies like Treasure Planet and Atlantis were flops and remain irrelevant while Lilo & Stitch thrived and still does. Funnily enough, in Atlantis the most memorable part WAS the diverse cast and their interactions with each other and Milo. 

 

It's not the '' progressive messages '' or '' diversity '' that is at fault, the fault lies elsewhere. 

[rac7d]

On 11/29/2023 at 9:21 PM, Psylocke said:

We need them to be queer coded again. They made the villains straight and they haven't recovered since!

 

 

This honestly I miss the sassy zesty kings of the past