ThisNihilist Posted November 29, 2023 Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Tropez said: I don’t get this question. A lot of female artists did support gay people, or simply had a large gay audience. The difference is a lot of gay men were closeted, and a lot of these gay men worked closely with many of the popular female artists of the time. For instance Sylvester was a very gay, and out artist in the 70s/80s. He was close friends with Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross and Patti LaBelle, they also worked together. Luther Vandross was very clearly gay, but closeted. He even did an album with Aretha. All those women had a very large gay fan base. And they knew it. I think we are focusing too much of contemporary politics and not understanding the nuance of the past. I don’t think any of the girls today would drop their gay fans. They may not acknowledge it. Which was something a lot of people did. Gayness was often not spoken about. And don't forget Little Richard who literally birthed the modern rockstar and was out himself 2
Marianah Adkins Posted November 29, 2023 Posted November 29, 2023 All of them tbh. I dont think anyone had to level of nerve and fearlessness that Madonna had back in the 80s (she was going at it for almost a decade so much that the GP said no by 1992 ). Ppl nowadays in the business are too scared to make a stand 1
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted November 29, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, oduplomarte said: you saying that as if blacks weren't extremely homophobic in the united states mainly because of protestantism and check out the countries that punish gays to death in court - I guarantee they're not mostly white You really came into this thread just to call Black people and the global south homophobic? 1
Phaunzie Posted November 29, 2023 Posted November 29, 2023 All of them, except Riri or Gaga but seeing as how fast she transformed from eccentric ***-hag to Stafani the actress idk.
Raptus Posted November 29, 2023 Author Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tropez said: I don’t get this question. A lot of female artists did support gay people, or simply had a large gay audience. The difference is a lot of gay men were closeted, and a lot of these gay men worked closely with many of the popular female artists of the time. For instance Sylvester was a very gay, and out artist in the 70s/80s. He was close friends with Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross and Patti LaBelle, they also worked together. Luther Vandross was very clearly gay, but closeted. He even did an album with Aretha. All those women had a very large gay fan base. And they knew it. They stayed quiet so it didn't mean anything. Just because they had gay people around them (in secret) doesn't change the fact that they weren't publicly supporting gays when people wanted to kill them/get rid of them. Madonna was on the front lines and risked her career for the people she cared about. Edited November 29, 2023 by Raptus
Tropez Posted November 29, 2023 Posted November 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Raptus said: They stayed quiet so it didn't mean anything. Just because they had gay people around them (in secret) doesn't change the fact that they weren't publicly supporting gays when people wanted to kill them/get rid of them. Madonna was on the front lines and risked her career for the people she cared about. What exactly does that have to do with anything? Just because they were quiet doesn’t mean they didn’t do anything. You really don’t know what happened behind the scenes. Judy Garland is easily the biggest gay icon of all time. So much slang, and gay things come from Judy. Yet, she wasn’t out and about talking about gay rights like Madonna. Judy was a gay icon for what she represented and her role as Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz. It’s not always about being a political artist. I mean you are in a largely gay forum. You should get this already. Many of these women are popular among gay men because they represent an escape, or they symbolize something they can relate to. That’s why many female stars before Madonna were huge in the gay community. 3
She-Rah Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 The ones that currently cater to the republicans/boomers -Taylor swift -lady gaga
oduplomarte Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 6 hours ago, supaspaz said: You really came into this thread just to call Black people and the global south homophobic? actually middle east, africa and caribbean 1
poki Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 Almost all of them lbr. One artist who I know would NOT drop the gays is Geri Halliwell. She was one of George Michael's best friends, she would have probably joined Wham. I also believe Kesha, Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey would still ve supportive.
glacier76 Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 Let’s not malign a whole swath of wonderful 80s female musicians. Belinda Carlisle, Cyndi Lauper, Annie Lennox, Dionne Warwick, Joan Jett, to name a few. What exactly is someone like Olivia Rodrigo or Dua Lipa doing now that those artists didn’t do during their peaks?
SleepNoMore Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 14 hours ago, GlamSlam said: No, she didn't. It was written by Tom Kelly and Billy Steinberg - the same people who wrote Like a Virgin two years earlier for Madonna. Billy himself said he wrote it about his Mother, which is mostly about seeing past one's flaws and honoring the true quality of their character. I think people who don't know Madonna's career think she started supporting us in the late 80s, but she was doing it in the late 70s before she even became famous. Ok I guess she didn’t write that song, but the point was that she supports the gays too, which is not in doubt. I love Madonna too, we can appreciate that both of them can have supported us.
Soda Pop Queen Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Tropez said: I don’t get this question. A lot of female artists did support gay people, or simply had a large gay audience. The difference is a lot of gay men were closeted, and a lot of these gay men worked closely with many of the popular female artists of the time. For instance Sylvester was a very gay, and out artist in the 70s/80s. He was close friends with Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross and Patti LaBelle, they also worked together. Luther Vandross was very clearly gay, but closeted. He even did an album with Aretha. All those women had a very large gay fan base. And they knew it. I think we are focusing too much of contemporary politics and not understanding the nuance of the past. I don’t think any of the girls today would drop their gay fans. They may not acknowledge it. Which was something a lot of people did. Gayness was often not spoken about. Come give these children the history, please How they gon' attempt to retroactively drag female artists on some "what ifs" and completely ignore cultural and historical context. A scream. Edited November 30, 2023 by Soda Pop Queen
Mystic Boy Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 12 hours ago, oduplomarte said: actually middle east, africa and caribbean This is so dumb There were some years ago big protests against gay marriage in France and it was ALL blue eyed white people from the far right Cut the bullshit and stop with the clichés. We're hated everywhere, deal and live with it
oduplomarte Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said: This is so dumb There were some years ago big protests against gay marriage in France and it was ALL blue eyed white people from the far right Cut the bullshit and stop with the clichés. We're hated everywhere, deal and live with it well, I'm talking about homosexuality punishable by death or prison, in extreme cases of homophobia I'm not saying that whites, or any kind of race, are perfect
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted November 30, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted November 30, 2023 14 hours ago, oduplomarte said: actually middle east, africa and caribbean Okay, so you are racist. Good to clarify that. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/30/russia-supreme-court-outlaws-lgbt-movement?ref=upstract.com 2
BnPac Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 The need to paint some people as bad or the need to feel unlovable and unloved...which one is it? ‘Plenty women supported gays then. Whitney participated on rally and spoke for gays. Madonna did. Cindy Lauper did. Mariah loved them. So weird.
oduplomarte Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 40 minutes ago, supaspaz said: Okay, so you are racist. Good to clarify that. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/30/russia-supreme-court-outlaws-lgbt-movement?ref=upstract.com it is clear that you are trying to hide reality and distort things russia didn't have laws exactly like that, this is new my point is this go study
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted November 30, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted November 30, 2023 1 hour ago, oduplomarte said: it is clear that you are trying to hide reality and distort things russia didn't have laws exactly like that, this is new my point is this go study It is clear that you only seem to be bothered by homophobia from non-white people. 1
oduplomarte Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, supaspaz said: It is clear that you only seem to be bothered by homophobia from non-white people. then you are simply functionally illiterate 1 1
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