CBC Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 A fan had a seizure after learning taylor cancelled
CBC Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 Another fan showing her discontent with the situation 1
Wonderland Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 Now I see why she keeps it local so much 3
awesomepossum Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, bluebirdsforever said: Well, the issue here is that you’re assuming “she” is the one who postponed it when there are hundreds of people (including literal governments) who were calling the shots and had personal stakes in the decisions made today. There’s a reason the mayor of Brazil was on site to make the announcement. This was an impossible situation all around but blame should be laid squarely at the event organisers who endangered the lives of fans (and the performers’ for that matter) in the first place. Is Taylor Swift not the event organiser? I think the issue is that they didn't announce the postponement earlier in the day. For whatever reason. Edited November 19, 2023 by awesomepossum
BtDecember Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 Enjoy the next four dates Brazil because Taylor would likely NOT going to visit your country again Taylor has been touring for over a decade and have visited third world countries but she never exprienced this kind of mess. Y'all have the audacity to blame her when she was so excited to visit your country and has shown so much concern and love while she was performing. Taylor NEVER needed your country in her career and will NEVER need you ever again. Taylor is doing EVERYTHING she can to make logical decisions and make your experience worthwhile yet y'all are so hateful. Taylor don't deserve this. 4 2 2 7
Goaty Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Last Boy on Earth said: 3 more hours of suffering for these people wouldnt not make much difference It ******* would make a difference - at these temperatures mere hours are the deciding factor if people live or die "They were already there, why not just continue anyway?" is the kind of reasoning that gets people killed 6 1
k4rmabutterfly Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 Not sure why everyone is ignoring the fact that brazilians are not mad about the show being cancelled, it’s about the lateness of the announcement, most of them were already in. They had the same reaction when Gaga cancelled her show in 2017 and Drake in 2023, all of them VERY late. I don’t blame them, I think anyone would be mad about this type of situation. 10
ParisxHilton Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 Seems like a them problem and not a her (+her team and local advisory) problem. any lesser team would have been very “show goes on” and you know it. Tay + team didn’t even try and test the waters a second night in a row. They realized just how unsafe conditions are and postponed. Just like any act with any sort of moral compass would do. I fear people are only getting dumber and more unreasonable. 1
Bears01 Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Goaty said: It ******* would make a difference - at these temperatures mere hours are the deciding factor if people live or die "They were already there, why not just continue anyway?" is the kind of reasoning that gets people killed Tell ‘em king
k4rmabutterfly Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 Just now, Machete said: There is a reason no one wants to go to this country. Have fun spamming her IG comments next tour! Everyone loves to tour on Brazil! Taylor has said yesterday it was the crowd from her childhood dreams.
Bears01 Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 She ain’t coming back to y’all ever again, so y’all better enjoy these next few shows. Maybe she’ll make a stop during her goodbye tour in like, 4 decades.
ATRL Moderator bluebirdsforever Posted November 19, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted November 19, 2023 36 minutes ago, awesomepossum said: Is Taylor Swift not the event organiser? Well, no. She legally isn't - she is the performer who is contracted to put on a show by the event organisers. The "event organisers" are AEG and T4F, and based on all the reliable information we have so far, Taylor's team and AEG have been putting pressure on T4F to postpone the entire weekend since right after the death happened. The promised measures didn't arrive, Taylor's team again had to pick up the slack to protect fans, and 13 Management only managed to succeed in postponing tonight's show after government intervention. Even still, the artist is being scapegoated (which is unfortunately not surprising) - it's going to be days before we have a clear understanding of what exactly happened, if ever. But it's not as simple as 'Taylor making a call.' 1 5
Cruel Summer Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, awesomepossum said: Is Taylor Swift not the event organiser? I think the issue is that they didn't announce the postponement earlier in the day. For whatever reason. No. She is not. Companies local to each region are the entities who work with both artist teams and venue staff/owners to organize and promote individual concert dates. The artist does not have unlimited unilateral power in situations like this and their teams do not handle scheduling, safety, or other logistics alone (and often are not the primary people handling those things). 4
Raphy23 Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 1 hour ago, rihsus said: they are mad bc she postponed the show with the venue already half packed in. should have done something earlier Not Taylor’s decision.
awesomepossum Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 Just now, Cruel Summer said: No. She is not. Companies local to each region are the entities who work with both artist teams and venue staff/owners to organize and promote individual concert dates. The artist does not have unlimited unilateral power in situations like this and their teams do not handle scheduling, safety, or other logistics alone (and often are not the primary people handling those things). She does have unilateral power, she just chooses not to exercise it. She can go on her Instagram, announce the postponement, and refuse to perform. They can't force her to perform. She would be held liable for violating her contract, yes. She would have to pay them and she would lose money, yes. But they can't force her to perform. She can cancel if she wants to. 2 9
St. Charles Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 Stan wars aside, it’s kinda messed up to blame her for this. I doubt she really knows wtf is going on. Let’s just drag people for sales and charts and not blame deaths on them. 3
k4rmabutterfly Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 (edited) Just an example of an european country having the same reaction (worse actually) when a similar situation happened. Nicki Minaj fans in France were not happy with the singer. For the second time in two months, the “Barbie Tingz” rapper canceled her show, this time in Bordeaux, France, just hours before she was to go onstage Saturday. Fans were already in the Arkea Arena when they were told there wouldn't be a show because of electricity issues https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2019/03/10/fans-troll-nicki-minaj-when-she-cancels-concert-shout-cardib/3126818002/ Of course, Taylor’s situation is more serious but the frustration from the fans is inevitable. Edited November 19, 2023 by k4rmabutterfly
jqnetto Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 the cancelling when the show was about to start hopefully fans get their proper refund this time, unlike Lover Fest. 1
ATRL Moderator bluebirdsforever Posted November 19, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted November 19, 2023 2 hours ago, awesomepossum said: She does have unilateral power, she just chooses not to exercise it. She can go on her Instagram, announce the postponement, and refuse to perform. They can't force her to perform. She would be held liable for violating her contract, yes. She would have to pay them and she would lose money, yes. But they can't force her to perform. She can cancel if she wants to. This is a gross oversimplification of an extremely delicate legal and moral situation which literally involves a death that someone is likely going to be held liable for through legal action. 1 10
byzantium Posted November 19, 2023 Posted November 19, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said: Not sure why everyone is ignoring the fact that brazilians are not mad about the show being cancelled, it’s about the lateness of the announcement, most of them were already in. They had the same reaction when Gaga cancelled her show in 2017 and Drake in 2023, all of them VERY late. I don’t blame them, I think anyone would be mad about this type of situation. But then they should be directing it at the people that were preventing the postponement, shouldn’t they? T4f has really treated the Brazilian fans poorly. Edited November 19, 2023 by byzantium 5
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