celeb news Brazilians fan vs Taylor Swift

[Headlock]

4 hours ago, Gui Blackout said:

"these people"

Now I know you, a member who called Beyoncé a monkey, is not pearl-clutching over racist dogwhistles in here 

[Bad_vocal_technique]

I’m from South America too and unfortunately I did not have a great impression of the Brazilian fans when I traveled there to see Lana a few months ago either. And I’m saying this in the nicest way possible given my friends and I awful experiences with the locals

Edited November 20, 2023 by Bad_vocal_technique

[liquiddiamonds]

35 minutes ago, Bad_vocal_technique said:

Is there a show tonight?

Yes, it’s happening right now and all going smoothly. No thunderstorms, no heatwave

[theweekend]

36 minutes ago, Bad_vocal_technique said:

I’m from South America too and unfortunately I did not have a great impression of the Brazilian fans when I traveled there to see Lana a few months ago either. And I’m saying this in the nicest way possible given my friends and I awful experiences with the locals

whatever concert you go in Brazil you will always get the worst experience

 

[More Than A Melody]

20 hours ago, Rep2000 said:

The only weirdo is you since it's clearly the goverment was behind that law during covid. If you have an issue with it, take it to Brazilian Congress or something. 

It was a government law, but she could've asked for them to refund the money. Harry did 

 

Blaming Taylor for what happened yesterday or for how long it took her to postpone today, when clearly it's an incredibly difficult situation, is obviously ridiculously stupid, but there's literally no reason to defend her not refunding the Lover Fest tickets for 3+ years. In 2021 alone, Brazil's inflation was 10%, so a ton of fans lost a ton of money. Especially considering this happened during COVID and entire families were struggling to get by, they could've REALLY used that money.

 

I do think it's good that she decided to allow them to use the credits for Eras, a lot of artists didn't even do that, but she 100% had the option of refunding and chose not to. Be fair.

 

ETA: @Rep2000 downvoting without arguments is so childish. If you disagree perhaps tell me why.

Edited November 20, 2023 by More Than A Melody

[More Than A Melody]

Brazil is a breathtaking country with incredible people. I'm not from Brazil myself, I'm Chilean, but I've gone to Brazil multiple times a year, almost every year for the past 20. Bad organization in concerts happens everywhere, people having bad concert etiquette happens everywhere. Fans being upset is normal. Framing it as "Brazilian fans vs Taylor" when it's "Brazilian fans are upset someone died and their concert was postponed after they spent the entire day in the heat" is a new low.

 

Blaming the artist for something she literally can't help is...

 

Just for the record, when Harry was set to perform in Copenhagen in 2022, there was a mass shooting in the mall across the street. Instead of canceling straight away, they said the concert was going to happen, because people were outside and on their way and the shooter was still out there. They got all the fans to congregate in the arena (this was before he did stadiums), and once everyone was safe inside, they announced the concert was canceled. Not even postponed, just canceled. Harry wasn't allowed to cancel the show himself. He had to wait for authorities to allow him to cancel it. They had to think of how to evacuate the area safely, and how to not cause mass hysteria, while also protecting everyone. You, as the artist, are supposed to follow authorities. To that one person saying "she could've unilaterally canceled the show" (talking about the one where the fan died), I'm sorry, you're dumb. Do you think she wanted to perform in those conditions? I'm nowhere near a fan of hers, but I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that she would've canceled that show if she could've. And I think the same thing happened with the second show, she was following instructions. A concert of hers is a mass event, you can't just do whatever tf you want

 

For the record, Danish fans were upset at Harry, and they were entitled to being upset. Not because he did anything wrong, but because they lived a traumatic event and then lost something they'd been looking forward to (at that point for over two years). And Brazilian fans are entitled to be upset with Taylor. Two things can be true at the same time.  She can hold no blame and they can still be entitled to be angry. They'll get over it eventually, but my god let them be upset!

[cat1867]

Today 22 hat kid  reportedly asked taylor to come to brazil again and she said us.  Now we can stop will people saying that she will punish Brazilian swifties because of the tragedy.

 

 

[Fading]

38 minutes ago, cat1867 said:

Today 22 hat kid  reportedly asked taylor to come to brazil again and she said us.  Now we can stop will people saying that she will punish Brazilian swifties because of the tragedy.

 

 

It's not like she would say "no" to that kid and ruin the moment for her lmao but I do believe she will come back.

[Rep2000]

2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

It was a government law, but she could've asked for them to refund the money. Harry did 

 

Blaming Taylor for what happened yesterday or for how long it took her to postpone today, when clearly it's an incredibly difficult situation, is obviously ridiculously stupid, but there's literally no reason to defend her not refunding the Lover Fest tickets for 3+ years. In 2021 alone, Brazil's inflation was 10%, so a ton of fans lost a ton of money. Especially considering this happened during COVID and entire families were struggling to get by, they could've REALLY used that money.

 

I do think it's good that she decided to allow them to use the credits for Eras, a lot of artists didn't even do that, but she 100% had the option of refunding and chose not to. Be fair.

Oh great, another off topic gotcha debater with expertise in Brazilian concert contract just shows up, everybody! (With a side of inserting their fave into conversation that nobody asked for to begin with). Ain't you tired of inserting Harry into every conversation?
T4F is and was the local Brazilian organizer who's responsible for organizing these responsibilities ( ,along with their failures and inactions from helping the audiences during that tragic 1st concert). That's who refuses to comply with those refunds requests, along with the blessings of the Brazilian government when they allowed it during Covid. And this applies with countless other events that were never refunded as well during that time. Were you and @jqnetto having any problems with those instances as well? Or is it just Taylor who you are "100%" want to blame?

Edited November 20, 2023 by Rep2000

[More Than A Melody]

5 minutes ago, Rep2000 said:

Oh great, another off topic gotcha debater with expertise in Brazilian concert contract just shows up, everybody! (With a side of inserting their fave into conversation that nobody asked for to begin with). Ain't you tired of inserting Harry into every conversation?
T4F is and was the local Brazilian organizer who's responsible for organizing these responsibilities ( ,along with their failures and inactions from helping the audiences during that tragic 1st concert). That's who refuses to comply with those refunds requests, along with the blessings of the Brazilian government when they allowed it during Covid. And this applies with countless other events that were never refunded as well during that time. Were you and @jqnetto having any problems with those instances as well? Or is it just Taylor who you are "100%" want to blame?

For the love of god, don't patronize me. I have multiple friends who had tickets for both of them. I know exactly how it works because I've had multiple conversations about this issue.

 

Harry is one of very few artists who refunded his tickets, but it has nothing to do with the organizer. You think Taylor couldn't ask T4F to refund the tickets? T4F is in Chile as well, girl. I know exactly how event organizers bend over backwards to please international artists. She could've asked for T4F to refund the tickets and didn't. It's possible it didn't even occur to her, but she 100% could've asked for them to refund the tickets. The law wasn't created for nor by T4F, it was created to protect these companies from losing money during the pandemic by ultra neoliberal Bolsonaro

 

I "insert my fav" because he's literally relevant in this very specific conversation which is refunding tickets for canceled shows during the pandemic. Like, it doesn't get more niche than that.

 

I think every international artist with enough pull to ask the event organizer to refund money that didn't is responsible, yes. You think Eventim are good guys?

 

I wrote a very long paragraph defending Taylor from unwarranted accusations just below the comment you're quoting. I'm not about just blindly blaming her for everything, no matter how much you want to tell yourself that's the case. I'm simply saying she could've (and should've) done better. You can't have your head that far up anyone's ass to not be able to admit the tiniest bit of wrongdoing, jfc.

[enchanted0]

This isn't about Harry. Literally no one cares

[Venice B]

4 hours ago, Bad_vocal_technique said:

I’m from South America too and unfortunately I did not have a great impression of the Brazilian fans when I traveled there to see Lana a few months ago either. And I’m saying this in the nicest way possible given my friends and I awful experiences with the locals

Let's not act like Lana doesn't have the most unhinged stans all over the world  

[She-Rah]

On 11/18/2023 at 5:27 PM, Naikuun said:

she's never coming back to latam isn't she¿

Hopefully 🤞 

[She-Rah]

4 hours ago, Bad_vocal_technique said:

I’m from South America too and unfortunately I did not have a great impression of the Brazilian fans when I traveled there to see Lana a few months ago either. And I’m saying this in the nicest way possible given my friends and I awful experiences with the locals

 

16 minutes ago, Venice B said:

Let's not act like Lana doesn't have the most unhinged stans all over the world  

Well, in this case, idk how to say it, but Brazilian fans in general are overtly passionate to the point that they come off unhinged. They are wonderful people but are too hyper and want to talk all the time lol

[More Than A Melody]

23 minutes ago, enchanted0 said:

This isn't about Harry. Literally no one cares

No this is about the thousands of Brazilian fans who got their money stuck for 3+ years on Lover Fest tickets and how y'all refuse to hold her accountable for literally anything,

[Robert]

It’s unfortunate she had to cancel but safety needs to come first. Imagine if another person died, then what?

[Headlock]

10 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

No this is about the thousands of Brazilian fans who got their money stuck for 3+ years on Lover Fest tickets and how y'all refuse to hold her accountable for literally anything,

And Harry is a god among men who always does everything right, we bow before him. Satisfied? 

[More Than A Melody]

25 minutes ago, Headlock said:

And Harry is a god among men who always does everything right, we bow before him. Satisfied? 

Someone: Taylor should've refunded the Lover Fest tickets

A Swiftie: It was A LAW! She could do nothing about it!

Someone: Actually, this other artist asked to refund the money and it was refunded

A Swiftie: Oh, so you think she's the devil, and you insert your fav, and you think your fav is perfect

 

You guys are actually infuriating. You know very well nobody said anybody was "a god among men who does everything right" he just did the right thing in this one instance. And it was bare minimum.

[Apolonio ₃₄]

5 hours ago, Headlock said:

Now I know you, a member who called Beyoncé a monkey, is not pearl-clutching over racist dogwhistles in here 

fff

 

The fact that’s the only thing that member is known for is sad.  

[Headlock]

10 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Someone: Taylor should've refunded the Lover Fest tickets

A Swiftie: It was A LAW! She could do nothing about it!

Someone: Actually, this other artist asked to refund the money and it was refunded

A Swiftie: Oh, so you think she's the devil, and you insert your fav, and you think your fav is perfect

 

You guys are actually infuriating. You know very well nobody said anybody was "a god among men who does everything right" he just did the right thing in this one instance. And it was bare minimum.

Harry is so kind, so generous, so good! Swifties could only dream to stan someone so pure! We fail as fans, and she fails us in turn!

 

Does that cover it? Cool, we can move on from this sidebar.

[More Than A Melody]

Just now, Headlock said:

Harry is so kind, so generous, so good! Swifties could only dream to stan someone so pure! We fail as fans, and she fails us in turn!

 

Does that cover it? Cool, we can move on from this sidebar.

You could've "moved on from this sidebar" if you hadn't spent precious time quoting me twice, especially considering you added absolutely nothing to the conversation. No arguments whatsoever other than childishness.

 

I took you off ignore because of the Palestine thread, I see now that it was a mistake.

[Headlock]

17 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

 especially considering you added absolutely nothing to the conversation.

But at least we know all about Harry, right? 

[Klein]

4 minutes ago, Geraldine said:

she should never tour latam again, its not worth it. she had 0 problems in usa and now shes 2/2 in argentina and brazil... yikes.

What happened in Argentina? 

 

All that happened was that she needed to postpone a show because of the weather. It was postponed 2 days later and there hasn't been any backlash whatsoever. 

 

I understand the "she'll never tour Brazil again" when they are meant to say that this horrible first experience might not make her want to come back. But saying she shouldn't come back is weird. 

[Arrows]

The reality is, when something bad happens, it’s human nature to try and find someone to blame for it. Global warming, God, Brazilian culture, the government, t4f, Taylor and her team, parasocial fandom or even the victim themself. The truth is that all and none of these are at fault and blaming this immense tragedy on one part is just unfair and untruthful. I wish the best for the family, and hope all involved do their part to help.

[réveuse]

12 hours ago, Headlock said:

Now I know you, a member who called Beyoncé a monkey, is not pearl-clutching over racist dogwhistles in here 

Did that person actually call her that wtf?