celeb photos Katy Perry takes pic with Dr. Luke's children after Vegas show

[TomTom]

6 hours ago, TicketOneWay said:

Kesha literally lied about Dr. Luke raping Katy, which probably forced them to collaborate to defend Katy from Kesha's defamatory allegation

 

Lol, what? 

Kesha didn't "lie" about anything. A lie requires malice which means making a false statement knowing that it is false. Here, Kesha believed it was true that Dr. Luke raped Katy based on what John Janick told her and Lady Gaga, so by default not a "lie".

 

Dr. Luke has only proven falsity, not malice (as he would have been forced to due to being declared a public figure by New York's highest court). Proving malice would have been a question for the jury, but given that Kesha and Luke settled a month before the trial, there is no judgment on malice. Therefore, it's factually incorrect to say Kesha "lied". At most, you could say she shared a false statement she believed was true.

 

There is not even any defamation with respect to this issue because the second element of a successful defamation claim (malice) has not been proven.

 

1 hour ago, PillowCase said:

Maybe take Kesha's advice? This dragging only hurts you, those who listen to him don't care and will not be influenced.

You're kinda sick for misconstruing this song as an invitation to let Dr. Luke enablers fall under the radar. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by TomTom

[TomTom]

6 hours ago, TicketOneWay said:

I love Kesha but what would you do in Katy's situation? Imagine someone spread that rumor about yourself.. she was dead wrong and put Katy in a horrible position

Kesha absolutely didn't "spread" any "rumors". Kesha and Lady Gaga both testified that John Janick told them that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry and then Kesha referenced this in a private text message to Lady Gaga only. Nothing was "spread" because no new audience even saw these messages.

 

Dr. Luke made the text messages public in his amended complaint. Dr. Luke subpoenaed Katy Perry. Dr. Luke wanted to make Katy's deposition public against her will. Dr. Luke included Katy on his trial witness list if the trial had taken place.

 

None of this is Kesha's fault unless you're under the insane assumption Kesha should have anticipated Dr. Luke would use a Lady Gaga text message against her to claim reputational harm on a statement he himself made public.

Edited November 8, 2023 by TomTom

[barbiegrande]

Kesha Stan’s coming for Nicki, Doja and Kim Petras. Lmao Stick to Kesha’s peers like Cher Lloyd or Sky Ferrari 

[SmittenCake]

37 minutes ago, TomTom said:

Lol, what? 

Kesha didn't "lie" about anything. A lie requires malice which means making a false statement knowing that it is false. Here, Kesha believed it was true that Dr. Luke raped Katy based on what John Janick told her and Lady Gaga, so by default not a "lie".

 

Dr. Luke has only proven falsity, not malice (as he would have been forced to due to being declared a public figure by New York's highest court). Proving malice would have been a question for the jury, but given that Kesha and Luke settled a month before the trial, there is no judgment on malice. Therefore, it's factually incorrect to say Kesha "lied". At most, you could say she shared a false statement she believed was true.

 

There is not even any defamation with respect to this issue because the second element of a successful defamation claim (malice) has not been proven.

 

You're kinda sick for misconstruing this song as an invitation to let Dr. Luke enablers fall under the radar. 

 

32 minutes ago, TomTom said:

Kesha absolutely didn't "spread" any "rumors". Kesha and Lady Gaga both testified that John Janick told them that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry and then Kesha referenced this in a private text message to Lady Gaga only. Nothing was "spread" because no new audience even saw these messages.

 

Dr. Luke made the text messages public in his amended complaint. Dr. Luke subpoenaed Katy Perry. Dr. Luke wanted to make Katy's deposition public against her will. Dr. Luke included Katy on his trial witness list if the trial had taken place.

 

None of this is Kesha's fault unless you're under the insane assumption Kesha should have anticipated Dr. Luke would use a Lady Gaga text message against her to claim reputational harm on a statement he himself made public.

Don't drag the doe doe birds like this  

[Eunwol]

yes girl give us bops

[Eunwol]

58 minutes ago, TomTom said:

Kesha absolutely didn't "spread" any "rumors". Kesha and Lady Gaga both testified that John Janick told them that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry and then Kesha referenced this in a private text message to Lady Gaga only. Nothing was "spread" because no new audience even saw these messages.

Kesha still should not have spoken for someone who never asked to be spoken for...? She still should not have dragged someone into the conflict who never asked to be...? By doing so, she put Katy in a very uncomfortable position. Does that really need to be said?

 

Also, doesn't everyone know that hearsay is completely useless in court? I'm sure she did.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Eunwol

[TomTom]

9 minutes ago, Eunwol said:

Kesha still should not have spoken for someone who never asked to be spoken for...? She still should not have dragged someone into the conflict who never asked to be...? By doing so, she put Katy in a very uncomfortable position. Does that really need to be said?

Kesha never dragged anyone into anything and you‘re delusional if you believe Kesha is in the wrong for sending a private text message. Katy‘s entire involvement happened at Dr. Luke‘s wishes (not Kesha‘s) and if the trial had happened, Luke would have failed to prove malice which would have resulted in Kesha‘s full acquittal with respect to this defamation claim - an outcome he anticipated, hence his choice to settle.

 

13 minutes ago, Eunwol said:

Also, doesn't everyone know that hearsay is completely useless in court? I'm sure she did.

The only thing that was relevant for Kesha was establishing she didn’t act maliciously, that has nothing to do with hearsay being reliable or not…please educate yourself on the specifics of this case before commenting.

[Harrys Hairflip]

Shes really coming this time i fear

[G.U.Y. Gaga]

9 hours ago, keshasfillers said:

You must be new because they were ruthlessly dragged

 

fun fact: their fans also made comments like “where is the energy for…” 

 

we have energy for everyone 

Or her step dad which would be even nastier 

[CroNich]

Some of the comments in here 

 

Glad to know some yall still prioritise basic cut and copy bops over trying to make the industry safer for younger women 

[CroNich]

9 hours ago, TomTom said:

Kesha absolutely didn't "spread" any "rumors". Kesha and Lady Gaga both testified that John Janick told them that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry and then Kesha referenced this in a private text message to Lady Gaga only. Nothing was "spread" because no new audience even saw these messages.

 

Dr. Luke made the text messages public in his amended complaint. Dr. Luke subpoenaed Katy Perry. Dr. Luke wanted to make Katy's deposition public against her will. Dr. Luke included Katy on his trial witness list if the trial had taken place.

 

None of this is Kesha's fault unless you're under the insane assumption Kesha should have anticipated Dr. Luke would use a Lady Gaga text message against her to claim reputational harm on a statement he himself made public.

The fact that you’ve had to explain this 1000 times on here 

 

If you Katy Kats are mad about her being dragged into the whole lawsuit situation blame Luke and his team for forcing those text messages to become public and implicating your fave, not kesha who clearly never wanted this to spiral the way it did.

[Tistotal]

4 hours ago, CroNich said:

The fact that you’ve had to explain this 1000 times on here 

 

If you Katy Kats are mad about her being dragged into the whole lawsuit situation blame Luke and his team for forcing those text messages to become public and implicating your fave, not kesha who clearly never wanted this to spiral the way it did.

But it did though and wouldn’t happen if they weren’t discussing this at first place. Imagine if it’s true and it’s not the right time to assume it.

 

You -not you but those two Kesha’s fans- are trying to push this narrative “she was just saying what Johns whoever said”. Is it morally correct to speak about other’s rape?

 

Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against Kesha, but her fans hating on Katy for no reason 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Tistotal

[TomTom]

36 minutes ago, Tistotal said:

You -not you but those two Kesha’s fans- are trying tu push this narrative “she was just saying what Johns whoever said”. Is it morally correct to speak about other’s rape?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with anything Kesha did. Nothing. She never made a public statement about Katy and never wanted to involve her in any way. Stop beating this dead horse and finally start to hold Dr. Luke accountable.

 

44 minutes ago, Tistotal said:

I have nothing against Kesha, but her fans hating on Katy for no reason 

Katy stans have exhibited nothing but absolutely vile behavior towards Kesha for the entirety of the lawsuit, so cry me a river. Lack of self-awareness.

[Tistotal]

Ok TomTom, have a nice night 

[manuelalex9810]

1 hour ago, TomTom said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with anything Kesha did. Nothing.

The way those texts were 0 empathetic.

Imagine getting mad at an alleged victim because they’re not ready to come out and tell their story, worse trying to use the victim as a pawn to win your case instead of worrying if the alleged victim is alright.

Second, saying a victim is not strong enough to come out and tell their story is also 0 empathetic. Those texts message just proved how careless about victims they are. 

[unclefloprry]

queen of taking pics with fans  

[babyboy1]

KP6 gonna be full of funs catchy bops 

Its about time she is due for a big comeback 

[keshasfillers]

On 11/8/2023 at 1:14 PM, PillowCase said:

Maybe take Kesha's advice? This dragging only hurts you, those who listen to him don't care and will not be influenced.

Let go of r*pe? That’s what you understood from this song??

[keshasfillers]

On 11/8/2023 at 2:49 PM, barbiegrande said:

Kesha Stan’s coming for Nicki, Doja and Kim Petras. Lmao Stick to Kesha’s peers like Cher Lloyd or Sky Ferrari 

Kesha has more #1s than your fave

[Zeferino]

Ah, mess 

[Katy V.!]

Yall trying to drag CHILDREN into this

 

Anyway, Katy will 100% end up working with him and she will deserve 100% of the lashings. 

[Junipero]

Is Katy really working with him again? I heard rumors that she was. I would not be surprised, BUT Dr. Luke seems to have changed his sound since working with Katy Perry, and I don't even know if it would work out with Katy. I don't hear him use the "build up" method(where each verse, and chorus adds a new instrument and the last chorus is the most upbeat chorus in the music he produced) in his music as much anymore. I think Cirkut, Benny Blanco would have to be brought back with all 3 of them co-producing for it to work out just like in her early days in my opinion, because the Max Martin stuff was bad on the "Witness" album.

Edited November 10, 2023 by Junipero

[Phaunzie]

I will repeat myself, these children are fans of Katy. Acting like Katy taking pictures with fans confirms the weird and false notion that she supported Dr. Luke, is reaching for an event that never occurred

 

Y'all are just looking for a problem where there is none. 

[BryceG]

16 hours ago, Phaunzie said:

I will repeat myself, these children are fans of Katy. Acting like Katy taking pictures with fans confirms the weird and false notion that she supported Dr. Luke, is reaching for an event that never occurred

 

Y'all are just looking for a problem where there is none. 

Katy is effectively one of their "aunties". Their parents are close friends with her.

[gettsleazy]

On 11/8/2023 at 8:13 PM, TomTom said:

Katy stans have exhibited nothing but absolutely vile behavior towards Kesha for the entirety of the lawsuit, so cry me a river. Lack of self-awareness.

Drag it!