base talk Forget Madonna & The Beatles, has Taylor surpassed Ed Sheeran?

[.Odyssey.]

Now that we've declared that Ed Sheeran is indeed bigger than even THE BEATLES, at least in the UK, it appears we have a new baseline to compare against!

 

So, let's discuss...is it time to admit that Taylor has even surpassed Ed Sheeran?

[FailSafe]

Forget Sheeran, Taylor is more popular than Jesus himself 

 

[Revolution]

She is not bigger than Edward in the UK.

[wulmite]

Has Taylor Swift surpassed Ava Max?

 

[JaXXXon]

Now the Swifties can whine and cry about it all they want but it's facts with evidence and STATS from official charts to back up all the claims that Taylor isn't on Ed Sheeran's level of hits outside of Anglosphere and she's not even on par with Adele in terms of album sales and HITS in the same territories. All they care about is that she's massive in the US and Australia 

 

Like, do they do their proper research? 

 

Sidenote: Ed Sheeran is also right behind Michael Jackson in Germany in overall sales and Taylor is N/A on the all-time list there as well  And Lady Gaga and Rihanna are on the all-time list too but who cares about Germany, Turkey, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, Nigeria, Brazil, Greece and Japan when she's massive in the US 

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by JaXXXon

[GraceRandolph]

Forget Sheeran, Taylor is more popular than Martin Luther King Jr. himself 

 

[JaXXXon]

4 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Forget Sheeran, Taylor is more popular than Martin Luther King Jr. himself 

 

At this point seeing that they make a thread about Taylor's OWN LABEL proclaiming she somehow sold 3.5 million units around the world with no official stats to back it up and they just celebrate makes me think that if her label proclaimed her to have gone #1 on another planet in another galaxy they'd wholeheartedly start believing that 

Edited November 6, 2023 by JaXXXon

[Katamari]

who said that

[littlebodybigheart]

19 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Now the Swifties can whine and cry about it all they want but it's facts with evidence and STATS from official charts to back up all the claims that Taylor isn't on Ed Sheeran's level of hits outside of Anglosphere and she's not even on par with Adele in terms of album sales and HITS in the same territories. All they care about is that she's massive in the US and Australia 

 

Like, do they do their proper research? 

 

Sidenote: Ed Sheeran is also right behind Michael Jackson in Germany in overall sales and Taylor is N/A on the all-time list there as well  And Lady Gaga and Rihanna are on the all-time list too but who cares about Germany, Turkey, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, Nigeria, Brazil, Greece and Japan when she's massive in the US 

 

damn you don’t rest

 

ot: yes, taylor swift has always been bigger than her red tour opener 

[moo]

30 minutes ago, FailSafe said:

Forget Sheeran, Taylor is more popular than Jesus himself 

 

So, still not bigger than the Beatles?

[Into The Void]

No I'm afraid Ed is bigger

[Storm653]

19 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Now the Swifties can whine and cry about it all they want but it's facts with evidence and STATS from official charts to back up all the claims that Taylor isn't on Ed Sheeran's level of hits outside of Anglosphere and she's not even on par with Adele in terms of album sales and HITS in the same territories. All they care about is that she's massive in the US and Australia 

 

Like, do they do their proper research? 

 

Sidenote: Ed Sheeran is also right behind Michael Jackson in Germany in overall sales and Taylor is N/A on the all-time list there as well  And Lady Gaga and Rihanna are on the all-time list too but who cares about Germany, Turkey, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, Nigeria, Brazil, Greece and Japan when she's massive in the US 

 

It's not 2017 anymore. Ed Sheeran is already becoming more of a legacy touring act than a relevant artist while being a year younger than Taylor. 

 

Regardless of Ed's global peak, those Nigerians, Finns, Italians, and Japanese people didn't support Ed enough for his last 2 albums this year while 1989(TV) is streaming and selling in every part of the world rn.

 

Also, Justin Bieber is more globally famous than both of them worldwide but Bieber still drops bloated and mid albums carried by playlisting to this day and I'd rank Taylor over him anyday of the week. Ya'll really overrate the importance of being "global." It's also why the discourse around Janet Jackson is so garbage too("sHE's nOT fAMouS iN mY CouTRy sO sHE's nOT iMPacTFul!!"). 

[HASHTAGPOW]

Has Taylor Swift surpassed Heidi Montag?

 

[FailSafe]

6 minutes ago, moo said:

So, still not bigger than the Beatles?

As big as the Beatles; after all, that quote came from John Lennon himself. So yeah, Beatles Swift is true

 

[moo]

5 minutes ago, FailSafe said:

As big as the Beatles; after all, that quote came from John Lennon himself. So yeah, Beatles Swift is true

 

[feelslikeadream]

She had passed everyone except for Mariah Carey and Elvis.

[Sheep]

For better or worse Shape Of You is a bigger hit than any modern pop girl can claim 

[bijonse]

47 minutes ago, feelslikeadream said:

She had passed everyone except for Mariah Carey and Elvis.

By sheer stats she’s not as successful as Michael and Madonna, mariah is like a sneak here. And her fame, legacy and impact is beneath a lot more people 

Edited November 6, 2023 by bijonse

[JaXXXon]

24 minutes ago, Storm653 said:

It's not 2017 anymore. Ed Sheeran is already becoming more of a legacy touring act than a relevant artist while being a year younger than Taylor. 

 

Regardless of Ed's global peak, those Nigerians, Finns, Italians, and Japanese people didn't support Ed enough for his last 2 albums this year while 1989(TV) is streaming and selling in every part of the world rn.

 

Also, Justin Bieber is more globally famous than both of them worldwide but Bieber still drops bloated and mid albums carried by playlisting to this day and I'd rank Taylor over him anyday of the week. Ya'll really overrate the importance of being "global." It's also why the discourse around Janet Jackson is so garbage too("sHE's nOT fAMouS iN mY CouTRy sO sHE's nOT iMPacTFul!!"). 

I agree about most of what you wrote but the last part about Janet Jackson. Janet is extremely impactful and even though she wasn't bigger than her peers (Madonna, Whitney, Mariah, Celine) in most countries outside of the US doesn't change that she was and is an absolute icon. That said, the only reason these "Swift is not as big here and there" statements are made (and you seem to agree) is that the Swifties are claiming she's rivaling the Beatles and bigger than Madonna or the new MJ and all that which is what causes these counter-arguments. If the Swifties just took it down a notch and admitted "yes, she's super massive, could outsell Madonna in the US but she's not as big in Europe, Asia and Latin America so she's obviously not the new MJ on a global scale" then those remarks and posts and threads that counter-argument this wouldn't be made. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by JaXXXon

[The Music Industry]

1 hour ago, JaXXXon said:

Now the Swifties can whine and cry about it all they want but it's facts with evidence and STATS from official charts to back up all the claims that Taylor isn't on Ed Sheeran's level of hits outside of Anglosphere and she's not even on par with Adele in terms of album sales and HITS in the same territories. All they care about is that she's massive in the US and Australia 

 

Like, do they do their proper research? 

 

Sidenote: Ed Sheeran is also right behind Michael Jackson in Germany in overall sales and Taylor is N/A on the all-time list there as well  And Lady Gaga and Rihanna are on the all-time list too but who cares about Germany, Turkey, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, Nigeria, Brazil, Greece and Japan when she's massive in the US 

 

You only have 198 posts on this website and yet 90% of them are about Taylor, someone you clearly don't like. Are you ok?

 

[Namie-Knowles]

Leave ha alone y'all 

[Gorjesspazze9]

3 hours ago, feelslikeadream said:

She had passed everyone except for Mariah Carey and Elvis.

Eminem is the top selling artist of the 21st century…. By alot

[Popboi.]

Bigger in albums, singles, touring, longevity and acclaim. Please.

 

The only thing Ed has on Taylor is that Divide is bigger than any of her albums and that Perfect and Shape of You are bigger than any of her singles, but in total she’s bigger. Things won’t change either as his latest album barely even went #1 in UK and only charted for 2-3 weeks in most countries (including for only 2 in US) as Taylor shattered records even outside the anglosphere this very week.

[SlowGinFizzzz]

7 hours ago, HASHTAGPOW said:

Has Taylor Swift surpassed Heidi Montag?

 

I'm afraid she doesn't have the range. Heidi could write Anti-Hero, but Taylor couldn't write Superficial. 

[Storm653]

12 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

I agree about most of what you wrote but the last part about Janet Jackson. Janet is extremely impactful and even though she wasn't bigger than her peers (Madonna, Whitney, Mariah, Celine) in most countries outside of the US doesn't change that she was and is an absolute icon. That said, the only reason these "Swift is not as big here and there" statements are made (and you seem to agree) is that the Swifties are claiming she's rivaling the Beatles and bigger than Madonna or the new MJ and all that which is what causes these counter-arguments. If the Swifties just took it down a notch and admitted "yes, she's super massive, could outsell Madonna in the US but she's not as big in Europe, Asia and Latin America so she's obviously not the new MJ on a global scale" then those remarks and posts and threads that counter-argument this wouldn't be made. 

During Gaga's peak, the same exact claims were made. People said that Gaga would overtake Madonna, MJ, and the Beatles too. 

 

Whether it's true or not, these are normal responses that get made when an artist is at their peak.

 

Hell, remember when articles like this used to be made?

 

Has Beyoncé Overtaken Michael Jackson as the Most Vital Black Artist? (variety.com)