artist stats Taylor surpasses Mariah, becomes third bestselling female of all time: Chartmasters

[Itsaliability]

What's funny with the fumes tho, is the fact that Eminem pure sales stand around 130million but his units are quickly approaching 210million and nobody bats an eye or doubt its legitimacy. I guess only The Music Industry can make this much people seethe

[Itsaliability]

7 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Wait what thread was it  

If I remember it correctly it was the 1989TV HDD thread 

They just kept going and going saying no source was legitimate 

[Monkey_Juice]

The lambs shouldn't fear because Taylor has no classics.

 

[WildHeart]

1 hour ago, fentymaison said:

And her music is front loaded, due to her rabid fans.

[Brikenbur]

36 minutes ago, Starchild said:

Do you ever have anything to contribute other than being an obsessed clown?

 

Idk why this site is so bothered by Taylor being the only one up there competing with legends, but I shouldn't be surprised at a stan forum being delusional 

Who said I was bothered by the OP? (I basically said why is anyone arguing with the factual info from ChartMasters)

Go back and slowly re-read while simultaneously thinking about what thread I’m going to respond in next! 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Brikenbur

[Solaria]

1 hour ago, fentymaison said:

The industry has always counted 1 sale as 1 single or 1 album. Streaming is the only metric that has a formula. That has always been the standard since the Industry began. GET OVER IT! TAYLOR WILL NEVER PASS RIHANNA, SHE'S 90+MILLION IN SALES behind. Taylor Swift nor her fans have the power to change industry standard and how music is counted, no matter how much they want to cling to Chartmasters illegitimate chart/ formula . And her music is front loaded, due to her rabid fans. She's only sold around 270 million and is far behind Rihanna and can't even beat Justin Beiber.  

None of Taylor's music is frontloaded, even before she started rerecording she had several albums from before the streaming era still charting on the BB200. She's one of the very few artists (if not the only) whose entire catalogue gets consumed en masse. Frontloaded is the most wrong drag you could ever use for Tay 

[Lemon]

29 minutes ago, Monkey_Juice said:

The lambs shouldn't fear because Taylor has no classics.

 

How can someone “without classics” be in conversation with other musical titans in regards to their music’s consumption though? 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Lemon

[Starchild]

28 minutes ago, Brikenbur said:

Who said I was bothered by the OP? (I basically said why is anyone arguing with the factual info from ChartMasters)

Go back and slowly re-read while simultaneously thinking about what thread I’m going to respond in next! 

not you thinking your important and anyone cares where you comment 

as a FAN it makes sense I see these threads, you just have some weird hatred for her that causes you to be in EVERY SINGLE THREAD of hers literally 24/7.

go back to quoting Guinness or sumn if it makes you feel better 

[Arrows]

It’s gonna be wild to see where she ends up on the list in 20 years. She has an actual chance at being #1 if she plays her cards right.

[Into The Void]

On 11/4/2023 at 1:01 PM, Love Again said:

You made your account only this year yet you seem to know everything about my ATRL history already. Expose yourself much? 
 

 

That acct screans dupe 

[mons†er]

Congrats to Taylor.  

I wonder what Mariah's sales will be once they're updated next month. considering 'Merry Christmas' should be Diamond certified.

[Alexz]

14 hours ago, sasashite said:

I said successful albums, which these are not:

 

2001 - 2,5 million - Glitter

2001 - 5 million - Greatest Hits

2002 - 3 million - Charmbracelet

2003 - .5 million - The Remixes

2008 - 2,5 million - E=MC²

2009 - 1 million - The Ballads

2009 - 1,5 million - Memoirs

2010 - 1 million - Merry Christmas II

2014 - .3 million - Elusive Chnateuse

2015 - .4 million - Infinity

2018 - .2 million - Caution

2020 - .1 million - Rarities

2020 - .2 million - Magical Crhistmas

5 million and 3 million is not successful?

[wastedpotential]

2 hours ago, fentymaison said:

Streaming does not count 1 for 1 like singles and albums do. You need to get over that. Taylor had more streams currently because she's releasing music unlike Rihanna.  However she still has 75+ million monthly spotify listeners that will jot only be active when she finally releases music but will likely double in size when she actually does. Expect Rihannas streaming number to pass Taylor's when the time comes. Taylor fans are cowards and can't even wait until it's a fair fight. Rihanna is pulling these numbers without doing anything, imagine when.she actually starts to do something? Your trying to compete with someone who's not even playing and still loosing. At the end of the day Taylor will never pass Rihanna's sales or sps numbers. Begone. 

No, it counts 1250/1 and 3750/1. The fact that your fave hasn't bothered getting into a studio in the past 7 years is irrelevant to the fact that Taylor's monthly listeners and daily streams are significantly larger 

 

If you want us Taylor fans to wait until Rihanna gets off her ass and puts out an album before having these conversations then you might as well just log off this website because that Rihanna album is never coming and that "fair fight" doesn't exist. We don't have to imagine what it will look like when Rihanna comes back, because we just saw the muted and short-lasting impact of Lift Me Up's record-breaking radio payola and the most viewed Super Bowl Half Time Show of all time. Those would constitute a significant comeback for anyone, but because they didn't have any real lasting impact for Rihanna (or bring her up to Taylor's consumption levels for more than three days) they don't count. 

 

I'm sorry that your fave isn't doing anything and that disadvantages you in this fight, but that's her decision and as her fan you kinda just have to live with that and accept it for what it is. Rihanna isn't coming back any time soon, so this argument of "will likely" and "expect... when the time comes" and "waiting until it's a fair fight" and "imagine when she actually starts to do something" is a complete waste of effort on your part 

 

At the end of the day Taylor has already passed Rihanna's album sales and her SPS numbers, and we aren't "cowards" for wanting to have those conversations now. We can turn to the IFPI or Billboard or Spotify or YouTube or international charts to prove that Taylor is bigger than Rihanna and given the current pace of their numbers, will continue to be so for the long haul. 

[Axelios]

25 minutes ago, Alexz said:

5 million and 3 million is not successful?

3 million is mediocre for 2002 standards. 5 million is for a greatest hits.

[wastedpotential]

2 hours ago, fentymaison said:

The industry has always counted 1 sale as 1 single or 1 album. Streaming is the only metric that has a formula. That has always been the standard since the Industry began. GET OVER IT! TAYLOR WILL NEVER PASS RIHANNA, SHE'S 90+MILLION IN SALES behind. Taylor Swift nor her fans have the power to change industry standard and how music is counted, no matter how much they want to cling to Chartmasters illegitimate chart/ formula . And her music is front loaded, due to her rabid fans. She's only sold around 270 million and is far behind Rihanna and can't even beat Justin Beiber.  

Except even in the 1990s all chart organizations were equating singles to their price relative to albums, so back then it was 3 singles/album (when a single was $2.99 and an album was $9.99), and now it's 10 singles/album (as a single is $1.29 and an album is $11.99). You clearly don't understand the basic logic here, so I won't bother arguing the point further, but formulas have always been industry standard and ignoring them because that's the only way your fave comes out on top looks desperate and stupid. 

[wastedpotential]

2 hours ago, fentymaison said:

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/10/madonna-cements-status-as-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-760147

 

FUME! 

It might surprise you to learn that Guinness is literally just a beer company who keeps track of certain records unofficially. They aren't an auditor of industry numbers and standards, and there is no one fact checking for them. This is a list of the best selling female recording artists when considering exclusively album sales and single sales at a 1 to 1 ratio. That isn't a figure used anywhere in the industry (except by desperate labels looking to make their artists look better to the uninformed and ignorant masses, of which you seem to be a member), and does not accurately track any sort of musical consumption patterns. I'm glad you're putting so much stock into this unofficial non-industry source, because it's less useful or accurate than Chartmasters, which is just as unofficial and non-industry, but at least CM uses similar conversion formulas to what IFPI, Billboard, OCC, SNEP (etc) use and not these label fraudulence stats. 

[wastedpotential]

 

2 hours ago, stevyy said:

most charts organizations also separate albums from singles sales. 

 

Chartsmasters combines both as well. 

Chartmasters combines them at a 10/1 equivalency ratio, as does the rest of the industry 

[Maroonx]

2 hours ago, Monkey_Juice said:

The lambs shouldn't fear because Taylor has no classics.

 

[wastedpotential]

2 hours ago, Monkey_Juice said:

The lambs shouldn't fear because Taylor has no classics.

 

And you'd know all about someone not having classics, right

 

 

Spoiler

Janet's daily streams of her top songs:

 

TTWLG - 56k

Together Again - 53k

All For You - 46k

Got Til It's Gone - 44k

Scream - 32k

Any Time, Any Place - 21k

How classic is a song, even if it was a hit at the time, if people today literally aren't bothering to listen to it? 

[Maroonx]

Can we also bring into the conversation that a lot of albums RIAA certified albums in the 90s-00s were certified based on shipments and not actual sales. This is for the "riaa cert is correct and billboard sales are incorrect" member(s). x

 

 

[wastedpotential]

2 minutes ago, Maroonx said:

Can we also bring into the conversation that a lot of albums RIAA certified albums in the 90s-00s were certified based on shipments and not actual sales. This is for the "riaa cert is correct and billboard sales are incorrect" member(s). x

 

 

They shipped it, but it got shipped back indeed 

[Itsaliability]

21 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

No, it counts 1250/1 and 3750/1. The fact that your fave hasn't bothered getting into a studio in the past 7 years is irrelevant to the fact that Taylor's monthly listeners and daily streams are significantly larger 

 

If you want us Taylor fans to wait until Rihanna gets off her ass and puts out an album before having these conversations then you might as well just log off this website because that Rihanna album is never coming and that "fair fight" doesn't exist. We don't have to imagine what it will look like when Rihanna comes back, because we just saw the muted and short-lasting impact of Lift Me Up's record-breaking radio payola and the most viewed Super Bowl Half Time Show of all time. Those would constitute a significant comeback for anyone, but because they didn't have any real lasting impact for Rihanna (or bring her up to Taylor's consumption levels for more than three days) they don't count. 

 

I'm sorry that your fave isn't doing anything and that disadvantages you in this fight, but that's her decision and as her fan you kinda just have to live with that and accept it for what it is. Rihanna isn't coming back any time soon, so this argument of "will likely" and "expect... when the time comes" and "waiting until it's a fair fight" and "imagine when she actually starts to do something" is a complete waste of effort on your part 

 

At the end of the day Taylor has already passed Rihanna's album sales and her SPS numbers, and we aren't "cowards" for wanting to have those conversations now. We can turn to the IFPI or Billboard or Spotify or YouTube or international charts to prove that Taylor is bigger than Rihanna and given the current pace of their numbers, will continue to be so for the long haul. 

I literally clicked on the link and went to the top 5 selling female artists and they were basing the Madona numbers on an interview on one of the Jimmys

[Maroonx]

Just now, wastedpotential said:

They shipped it, but it got shipped back indeed 

[Axelios]

4 minutes ago, Maroonx said:

Can we also bring into the conversation that a lot of albums RIAA certified albums in the 90s-00s were certified based on shipments and not actual sales. This is for the "riaa cert is correct and billboard sales are incorrect" member(s). x

 

 

Yes Glitter is the perfect example of this happening. More recently, Adele 30 too.

 

[stevyy]

10 minutes ago, Maroonx said:

Can we also bring into the conversation that a lot of albums RIAA certified albums in the 90s-00s were certified based on shipments and not actual sales. This is for the "riaa cert is correct and billboard sales are incorrect" member(s). x

 

 

 

That's still the standard today, in all music industries.