celeb news HDD: Taylor Swift at "Beatles-level" of fame, '1989 (TV)' debut to top 'Midnights'?

[Lady Claire]

3 hours ago, Asscatchem said:

the debut will be high but the production quality will be a disappointment like speak now.

are people really looking forward to Blank Space, Style (Max Martin-less Discount Version)?

Exactly

 

the production on the country tracks for the re-recordings were good, but the pop ones... a mess

[Badgalbriel]

And we don't even think it's impressive anymore 

[babyboy1]

The biggest artist since the big bang happened. 

[unclefloprry]

4 hours ago, Asscatchem said:

the debut will be high but the production quality will be a disappointment like speak now.

are people really looking forward to Blank Space, Style (Max Martin-less Discount Version)?

I really doubt that people outside of her fandom are listening the TVs. She has deals with everyone, so I wouldn't be surprised if she's using tricks with Spotify to boost the stats of the TVs by "stealing" streams from the original versions. 

[YellowRibbon]

5 minutes ago, unclefloprry said:

I really doubt that people outside of her fandom are listening the TVs. She has deals with everyone, so I wouldn't be surprised if she's using tricks with Spotify to boost the stats of the TVs by "stealing" streams from the original versions. 

Not the conspiracy theories 

[on the line]

1 hour ago, Lady Claire said:

Exactly

 

the production on the country tracks for the re-recordings were good, but the pop ones... a mess

Disagree. This Love TV is a MASSIVE upgrade. The OG is listenable (along w/ all of the OG Red tbfh). TVs have been supreme for those of us who become fans later in her career.

[chiliam]

57 minutes ago, unclefloprry said:

I really doubt that people outside of her fandom are listening the TVs. She has deals with everyone, so I wouldn't be surprised if she's using tricks with Spotify to boost the stats of the TVs by "stealing" streams from the original versions. 

people outside of the standom literally dont care and doesn`t hear any different so whichever version pop up they will listen to that

 

like im a die-hard fan since 2008 and i can hardly hear any differences. 

[bjorn]

She’s an icon, she’s a legend, and she IS the moment. Now c’mon now! 
 

The power that that has, the intelligence that that has, the clearance that that has, the access that that has, the influence that that has, the profile that that has, the international implications that that has

[Klein]

Ok HDD, spill on what you already know. Because 1M+ debut, even beating 1989 OG's debut week is definitely on the table. 1.6M debut is another story though. 

[Valance]

5 hours ago, unclefloprry said:

I really doubt that people outside of her fandom are listening the TVs. She has deals with everyone, so I wouldn't be surprised if she's using tricks with Spotify to boost the stats of the TVs by "stealing" streams from the original versions. 

go worry (and stream) about rat bunny's song flopping. not even the kendall jenner publicity stunt could help it

[Winged]

She needs signed copies probably to get there

[Frozen99]

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gave that contest the best Sunday-night ratings since the Super Bowl.

i just can't with her  re-peaking with a re-recording...

[Dear Reader]

some people in this thread already resorting to conspiracy theories to cope 

[Heartbreak Prince]

Not the conspiracy theories from the eternally pressed

[BlackStar_93]

10 hours ago, Asscatchem said:

the debut will be high but the production quality will be a disappointment like speak now.

are people really looking forward to Blank Space, Style (Max Martin-less Discount Version)?

Whilst he’s very talented, Max isn’t some untouchable genius. I mean, there are many producers who are equally, if not even more talented. 
 

Of course, it’s fine to prefer the original albums, but let’s not pretend that some of the TV’s absolutely elevated some of the songs far above their original counterparts (see: The Way I Loved You, Treacherous, ATW10MV, Dear John, This Love, etc). I know these weren’t Max songs, but some of 1989’s best tracks weren’t even Max songs anyway (OOTW, Clean).
 

Taylor is exceptionally self aware and must know how universally loved 1989 was/is. I highly doubt she greenlit anything that was not of substantial quality. I guess people get some accustomed to the originals that in can be jarring hearing even the most minor of differences.  

[Asscatchem]

4 minutes ago, BlackStar_93 said:

The Way I Loved You, Treacherous, ATW10MV, Dear John, This Love, etc)

yeah these aren't hard to reproduce. ikywt sounded like trash

so atp i have no expectations for blank space or style

[FolkLover1989]

See pop songs will sound different and I have made peace with it

 

But Vault could be good so that's what I hope

[Klein]

28 minutes ago, PopA911 said:

some people in this thread already resorting to conspiracy theories to cope 

Can't wait to see the full spectrum of coping mechanisms displayed between Oct 28th (Spotify Day 1) and Nov 5th (BB200 article).

Edited October 11, 2023 by Klein

[Vespertine]

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 Democracy’s rooting section fervently hopes she stays in for the duration. She can unquestionably make a difference. Maybe the difference.

 

This feels like 1989 era is actually coming again  Obnoxious. 

[Walk_Away21]

6 hours ago, BlackStar_93 said:

Whilst he’s very talented, Max isn’t some untouchable genius. I mean, there are many producers who are equally, if not even more talented. 
 

Of course, it’s fine to prefer the original albums, but let’s not pretend that some of the TV’s absolutely elevated some of the songs far above their original counterparts (see: The Way I Loved You, Treacherous, ATW10MV, Dear John, This Love, etc). I know these weren’t Max songs, but some of 1989’s best tracks weren’t even Max songs anyway (OOTW, Clean).
 

Taylor is exceptionally self aware and must know how universally loved 1989 was/is. I highly doubt she greenlit anything that was not of substantial quality. I guess people get some accustomed to the originals that in can be jarring hearing even the most minor of differences.  

She already released Wildest Dreams (Great Value Version) though. And I need her entire team's ears checked for allowing that "weeEEEE" to be released. Imagine owning that version.

 

[Rafael]

14 hours ago, I54X said:

Truly the only female artist that has the potential to reach MJ & Madonna's level of absolute stardom. 

with half the talent

[MingYouToo]

1 minute ago, Rafael said:

with half the talent

you dont get to 17 years of nonstop 1983-1990 Madonna levels of success with only 'half the talent' girl please

[Enrique523]

On 10/11/2023 at 3:36 AM, unclefloprry said:

I really doubt that people outside of her fandom are listening the TVs. She has deals with everyone, so I wouldn't be surprised if she's using tricks with Spotify to boost the stats of the TVs by "stealing" streams from the original versions. 

You guys really sound like Republicans with these insane conspiracy theories 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Enrique523

[BlackStar_93]

On 10/11/2023 at 8:31 AM, Asscatchem said:

yeah these aren't hard to reproduce. ikywt sounded like trash

so atp i have no expectations for blank space or style

“Aren’t hard to reproduce”? That’s categorically incorrect.

 

It’s not a case of layering a few instruments and sticking some vocals on it. Even “simple”/acoustic sounding songs from her earlier albums are layered with musical nuances and a multitude of production challenges (BPM, instrument timbre, texture and vocal harmonisation, etc). Taylor even said herself (in words to this effect) that the process was timely as they had to go through the originals, line-by-line/note-by-note, to assure the vocal delivery was as similar as possible. Do you know how hard that is? Especially given how the human voice’s tone/timbre matured and changes over time. The same goes for the instruments/mixing equipment… some of the ones used way back when the originals were produced may not be even available anymore so you’re trying to recapture a sound/particular timbre that is even harder to recreate. 
 

Honestly, regardless of what people think of any frivolous differences (the “Weee” in WANEGBT, the “do” in LWYMMD), it’s truly a marvel and nothing short of admirable for Taylor and these producers/musicians to be re-recording SIX albums released over a period of a decade in the time and quality they’ve achieved. #facts 

 

People can, of course, make their own decisions but I for one only use the TV’s from now on and have been buying each one. I like to know the artists I’m listening to are supported and have autonomy of their art. 

[BlackStar_93]

23 hours ago, Walk_Away21 said:

She already released Wildest Dreams (Great Value Version) though. And I need her entire team's ears checked for allowing that "weeEEEE" to be released. Imagine owning that version.

 

Copying and pasting an avi… how original and what a insightful contribution to the discourse of Taylor’s re-recordings. 
 

I guess people love to focus on tiny, frivolous details with the re-recording instead of thinking how the multitude of positives makes those negatives almost non-issues. I can personally live with the “weee” seeing as the same re-recorded album that came on also delivered ATW10MV, several amazing vault tracks, and some of the re-recorded album tracks far superseding their original counterparts in quality and production. But sure, yeah, if the “WeeEe” is your take home from that then… cool? I suppose.