movie RENAISSANCE: A Film By Beyoncé | Out NOW | Global box office: $44.4M

[NausAllien]

5 minutes ago, swissman said:

Is there something wrong with that statement?

It's the lack of self-awareness for me.

 

Beyoncé does pop (mainstream) music. By definition, pop music will never be this highbrow you so badly want it to be. Pop music is designed to be mass consumed. Putting barriers to entry won't change this fact. That would be like pretending that a Big Mac can ever be lobster thermidor just because you charge a premium for it. It won't.

 

[blaggot]

20 minutes ago, swissman said:

Is there something wrong with that statement?

there’s no use going back and forth with them. I don’t know why now, all of sudden, people are acting like there hasn’t consistently been a high price to pay for Beyoncé’s high quality output: tours and merchandise. this is really no different  

 

let them keep spinning their wheels!

[swissman]

2 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

It's the lack of self-awareness for me.

 

Beyoncé does pop (mainstream) music. By definition, pop music will never be this highbrow you so badly want it to be. Pop music is designed to be mass consumed. Putting barriers to entry won't change this fact. That would be like pretending that a Big Mac can ever be lobster thermidor just because you charge a premium for it. It won't.

 

Premium, adjective

• of exceptional quality or amount
• also  : higher-priced

 

Pop music is mainstream but mainstream isn't a word that describes quality. Pop can vary between the exceptional, the regular, the unremarkable, and the awful. There's a huge difference between Madonna's Ray of Light album and LMFAO's Sorry For Party Rocking yet both are pop albums created by mainstream pop artists.

 

As per the definition of the word, if the adjective of "premium" was used incorrectly (or with a "lack of self-awareness") then you're telling me for the last ten years Beyoncé has not been known to release work of exceptional quality, and/or Beyoncé has not been known to charge more for her output than her peers. Can you prove this? If so, then she'd be wrongfully described as "premium". However, Beyoncé has been known to release works of exceptional quality, time and time again. That's what has made her into the legend she is held to be today.

 

Your analogy of charging more for a Big Mac and calling it premium would work if Beyoncé was releasing IASF over-and-over, charging more and hoping people took it more seriously. In actually, she's clearly putting effort into releasing works of artistic merit, and the recognition (and at times the price) match accordingly.

[swissman]

32 minutes ago, blaggot said:

there’s no use going back and forth with them. I don’t know why now, all of sudden, people are acting like there hasn’t consistently been a high price to pay for Beyoncé’s high quality output: tours and merchandise. this is really no different  

 

let them keep spinning their wheels!

I know, but I do like to have a proper rebuttal to people willfully engaging in miscomprehension.

[swissman]

It's just funny to me that we're debating if Beyoncé makes premium (of exceptional quality or amount) pop music and yet:

 

• ST (2013): Visual album; 14 songs; 17 videos
  • Game-changing release and concept
  • One of the first albums to initiate the wave of poptimism; was praised by the public and critics alike
  • AOTY front-runner, whose loss was more notable than what won
  • Charged more than the average album
• Lemonade (2016): Visual album; 12 songs; 12 videos
  • Premiered on what is considered a "premium channel" known for shows of exceptional quality, HBO
  • Created instantaneous cultural commentary and critical acclaim
  • It's AOTY loss again was one of the most notable things about the AOTY win
  • Was awarded one of the most prestigious media awards: The Peabody, of which the only entertainment-industry women to receive it are Oprah and Barbra Streisand
• Beychella/Homecoming (2018, 2019): concert, documentary
  • instantly one of the most acclaimed concerts ever
  • propelled Beyoncé into the stratosphere of Top Tier performers (if she wasn't already there)
  • praised for its artful celebration of culture and genre to shine light on and uplift
• Black is King: visual album to The Gift
  • Beyoncé's most ambitious visual album yet...filmed in various European Countries, African Countries and America with a dazzling array of fashion, cinematography and Black pride
  • Universal critical acclaim
  • It's nomination for Best Music Film at the Grammys made Beyoncé the most nominated artist ever in that category
• RENAISSANCE album, tour
  • Acclaimed album, noted for its overall richness and cohesiveness
  • Acclaimed tour which at the moment is the official highest-selling female tour of all time
  • Cited by most reviewers as one of the most important of the decade, a cultural moment, a spectacle, etc. etc.
  • Showcased 150+ designer, couture outfits made by some of the most premium designers in the world

 

Like...c'mon.

 

Haters can act like this isn't true, or that the Hive saying this means no one else can ever be described as "premium" either, but that's simply not the case. It shouldn't bother you that fans use the correct word as defined by actual dictionaries.

 

 

Edited October 4, 2023 by swissman

[FENTY.]

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Beyoncé continues to make headlines to the surprise of no-one – this time not just for her record-breaking world tour but for the upcoming cinematic release of “Renaissance: A Film by Beyoncé” – as the first-day pre-sales for her film are estimated to be in the impressive range of $6M-$7M, setting the stage for a significant cinematic event.

https://eatthismusic.com/news/beyonces-renaissance-world-tour-film-smashes-box-office-expectations/

[campelo]

Do we have any tea about international dates of the film? 

[abc1990]

On 10/3/2023 at 1:55 PM, L0verb0y said:

OMG what if it's:

• Act 1: Renaissance
• Act 2: Rebirth
• Act 3 : Echoville (or whatever the title ends up being for the music videos)

 

We’re still in act 1…the film is still a part of the Renaissance era 

[Mystic Boy]

No Paris date wtf?

[Tangane]

1 hour ago, Mystic Boy said:

No Paris date wtf?

It'll come in a few days. I'm sure of it!

[Axelios]

14 hours ago, swissman said:

• ST (2013): 
  • One of the first albums to initiate the wave of poptimism; was praised by the public and critics alike
  • AOTY front-runner, whose loss was more notable than what won
• Lemonade (2016): 
  • It's AOTY loss again was one of the most notable things about the AOTY win

This screams delusion 

You are confusing Bey/Jay Z paid pr media campaigns for reality

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by Axelios

[Rihannito]

52 minutes ago, Axelios said:

This screams delusion 

You are confusing Bey/Jay Z paid pr media campaigns for reality

 

Seek help sweety. I am serious.

[swissman]

6 hours ago, Axelios said:

This screams delusion 

You are confusing Bey/Jay Z paid pr media campaigns for reality

 

Can you point out the delusion with actual receipts, because I can back up everything I said on my end:
 

• ST (2013): 
  • One of the first albums to initiate the wave of poptimism; was praised by the public and critics alike
    • ST definitely helped changed the seriousness with which people and critics saw pop music. It got a a 85 on Metacrtic which at the time was quite higher than most pop releases, and led to what would eventually be higher ratings for pop albums (ie. Olivia's Guts easily attaining 91, something that probably would not have happened in 2012.) In the year of "ARTPOP", by adding so much art (videos) into the release, it essentially proved that pop music can be looked at as an artform, not just a commercial venture intended to sell the most it can to the masses.
      • compare it to popular, some brilliant pop releases from the years prior:
        • 4: 73
        • 21: 76
        • Talk That Talk: 64
        • Unapologetic: 61
        • MDNA: 64
        • Artpop: 61
        • Teenage Dream: 52
        • Prism: 61
        • Pure Heroin: 79
        • Bangerz: 61
        • Red: 77
        • Fearless: 73
        • The Fame: 71
        • Born this Way: 71
        • Ultraviolence: 74
        • Pink Friday: 68
        • True (EP): 79
          • It's well-documented that pop in the 2000s/early 2010s was not taken as seriously and given the credits it would be in the mid-to-late 2010s and present day. Countless brilliant pop albums of the 2000s have low scores. Even Confessions on a Dancefloor, one of the greatest pop works of the decade has just 80 wheres today it would be in the 90s, I'm sure).
  • AOTY front-runner, whose loss was more notable than what won
    • It would mean to rewrite history to say that most people meaningfully expected Beck to win AOTY, and that upon his winning there was not a big reaction close to "who?". He may have had a great album, maybe even better than Beyoncé's, but the fact remains that his win was not expected and that because of the game-changing release/concept/reaction to Beyoncé's album, she was far and beyond the front-runner to win.
      • Here are some receipts:
        • How Beck beat Beyoncé for Album of the Year
        • When Beck beat Beyonce: Grammys flashback to that notorious Album of the Year upset
        • How did Beck beat out Beyonce?
        • Beck on Besting Beyonce at the Grammys, Rappers Like Lil Yachty and His Happy New Album
        • How Badly Did the Grammys Rob Beyoncé Last Night?
        • We Witnessed One of The Worst Snubs In Grammy History Last Night
        • Beck basically agrees with Kanye West's Grammys rant: 'Come on, she's Beyoncé!'
        • Grammys 2015: Who Is Beck?
        • Beck v Beyoncé: who should have won the Grammy for best album?
        • The Internet's Response To Beck Beating Beyoncé at the Grammys Is Pretty Much Just What You'd Expect
        • and there are tons more
• Lemonade (2016): 
  • It's AOTY loss again was one of the most notable things about the AOTY win
    • Need I say more?:

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by swissman

[Steve Johnson]

21 hours ago, swissman said:

ST (2013): Visual album; 14 songs; 17 videos

• AOTY front-runner, whose loss was more notable than what won

Self titled wasn’t AOTY front runner. It lost genre category award too, it has no support whatsoever. It was dead last in that AOTY category. 

Edited October 5, 2023 by Steve Johnson

[swissman]

1 hour ago, Steve Johnson said:

Self titled wasn’t AOTY front runner. It lost genre category award too, it has no support whatsoever. It was dead last in that AOTY category. 

It absolutely was. Do you have receipts other than "the Grammys snubbed it in the genre category" to validate the idea that it was not a front-runner? Because I'm not talking about the votes it inevitably got, but who people thought would win.

Sorry to Pharrell, but no one was thinking his album was the front-runner of that category either. And if ST wasn't a front-runner why, upon its loss, was so much of the conversation about the fact that it lost/was stubbed (you can see an above post for receipts of that)? How could it be such a topic of conversation going forward regarding the AOTY category that year if it were not a front-runner?

BEYONCÉ was cited as the front-runner by many:

• Vox
• Billboard
• EW (they actually said Ed will win, but Beyoncé should win)
• Golden Derby
• Entertainment Tonight
• Slant Magazine
• Denver Post
• Complex Magazine
• Vulture
• The Huffington Post
• etc...

And I sourced the above list by googling "2015 Grammys predictions" and clicking all the first links available. From this batch, one or two stated Sam Smith would win, and one that named Beck, while acknowledging that the Grammys voters don't favour R&B/Hip-hop albums. But the great majority of the predictions were in favour of BEYONCÉ.

 

Either way, the use of that bullet point was to speak to Beyoncé making what has been considered "premium" content, and whether or not she was a front-runner for AOTY actually doesn't matter because she very much was lauded and respected for her 2013 release, and it was a huge step forward not just for her own discography but for pop as a whole. You can argue that if you want, but again, please bring something we can actually discuss.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by swissman

[Maxxie]

So are the visuals coming or not? Is this Act i still? so confusing

[Carla Rosón]

2 hours ago, Maxxie said:

So are the visuals coming or not? Is this Act i still? so confusing

1. We don't know atp they could be shelved and now she's treating the concert film itself as the album visuals.

2. It should all still be part of Act I.

[loveisdead9582]

According to Beyoncé the FANS are the visuals so technically there are no lies. 

[Disconnect]

So, are we getting the visuals or NOT?

[50thStateofMind]

On 10/5/2023 at 5:40 AM, Steve Johnson said:

Self titled wasn’t AOTY front runner. It lost genre category award too, it has no support whatsoever. It was dead last in that AOTY category. 

literal DELUSION

[AxelFox]

4 hours ago, 50thStateofMind said:

literal DELUSION

There's a lot of them but this user is easily one of the dumbest posters around. The fact that they tried to engage in an argument with swissman of all people is just  

[Mornings]

How come Beyonce is set on depriving the gays of EVERYTHING we deserve. She does amazing visuals for the past 3 projects(subjectively better than the music) and when she finally has a project dedicated to GAYS she strings us along. Dwindling  promises of 3 acts and NO visuals. what point is she proving? its almost disrespectful.

 

Madonna poached the voguing community, but she at least gave the gays one of the most iconic eras in all of pop music. 

[Godontop]

On 10/6/2023 at 2:37 PM, Disconnect said:

So, are we getting the visuals or NOT?

Sis I gave up months ago. This  Era 

[swissman]

On 10/7/2023 at 8:50 PM, Mornings said:

How come Beyonce is set on depriving the gays of EVERYTHING we deserve. She does amazing visuals for the past 3 projects(subjectively better than the music) and when she finally has a project dedicated to GAYS she strings us along. Dwindling  promises of 3 acts and NO visuals. what point is she proving? its almost disrespectful.

 

Madonna poached the voguing community, but she at least gave the gays one of the most iconic eras in all of pop music. 

Where is the dwindling promise of three acts though? She needs to complete the first act before a second one can come. The tour is part of the first act.

 

And likewise:

 

Beyoncé hasn't released the visuals yet, but at least she gave the gays one of the most iconic tours in all of pop music.

[Feanor]

Updated the OP.