base talk Does Beyonce's career seem preplanned to you?

[WEEKND]

I was having this discussion with friends and they mentionned that Beyonce ended up being exactly who they thought she would be. 
 

As if everything in her career follows a reasonable and logical order. No place for out of character sudden change in direction or trajectory. 
 

What do you guys think? 

[getBusy]

I think careers are supposed to be planned

[vale9001]

I don't get what you mean exactly. I don't think every step of her career was predictable if you analyze it for what are the "contents" she offered.

 

In general it was a kinda of "predictable" trajectory in pop music industry...  an artist starts her career with very palatable pop music, tries to be palatable for every target of people (she wasn't very different from other r'n'b and pop female stars of that age in term of sound and image). Then at some point there is the risky moment when you have to reinvent yourself with a more mature image, sound cause people searching for only radio hits will movie on freshier and younger artists. If you're not able to do that you will lose relevance and success. She is one of the few to make it in a very successful way (madonna did it after the 80s, taylor did it with folklore, gaga made it with a star is born- her actin career in general). Most popstars can't make it but i'm not doing names here. 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by vale9001

[Planet Mars]

Not really, she's just grown.

[Bicassie]

I don’t think people saw Lemonade or Renaissance coming?

[Rush]

She definitely knew she’d be dedicating an album to the gays 20 years ago

[loveisdead9582]

Her rise as an artist? Sure. Anything post 4 thought has been a pleasant surprise. She was already huge at that point and has been doing what she wants since then. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by loveisdead9582

[AxelFox]

Whoever planned the Renaissance era deserves LIFE in jail

 

[gardendreams]

honestly i feel like i prefer beyonce's growth and artistry. 

 

it doesn't feel like she relying on shock value to get attention

[ICLDXU4HS]

She was gonna be a wholesome, agreeable, inoffensive big-vocal-type diva and performing/showbiz legend, then after 4 she decided she also wants to be legendary artist... That part I didn't see coming and couldn't have been pre-planned. She grew into that.

[RockStarShit101]

You need talent and luck and she has both. 

[Infatuation_Junkie]

What in the where are the visuals is this nonsense?! Careers are supposed to be planned, especially those of a pop star. 

[Khal]

I think she had a general idea of where she wanted to end up with her career (as anyone with ambition would), but idk, I don't feel like she pre-planned her career after 4 (I'm using this as a reference point as this was when I felt there was a "shift" with her) to turn out the way it did.

[Solaria]

Definitely not because if Matthew Knowles was still her manager her career would have looked very differently after IASF, I don’t think she planned on dropping him it just was a natural decision from her because she wanted more creative control

[Into The Void]

Yes Beyonce knew she would release an album about her cheating husband in 2003

[Blue Rose]

With her immense talent and drive, she was always destined to the the greatest artist of all time, so yeah I definitely agree 

[Trent W]

She probably had the vision of becoming a legend

 

She always had the looks, talent and drive

 

But she did take some risks, for example ST could’ve gone sooo sooo wrong and end her career right there

 

Like she was coming from 4 and at the time it was seen as a flop( then it had massive growth over time), but a failed visual album would’ve ended her carrer right there

 

When she went solo was also another defining moment, any other single different than CIL would’ve not put her where she is now.

 

So it’s a mix of her drive and connecting with the GP

 

 

[bijonse]

She knew she wanted to be a legend like many other artists do but she was one of the select few to achieve it and probably the youngest legend right now 

[queenoftheclouds]

I think no career was really planned. You have a lot of people making Plans but the fact anything Sticks is Not predictable. Some do their own Thing and are Happy with that Others fail and disappear forever. Every Singer who made it so far can be proud.

[Johnathon]

You could make the argument that from Writings on the wall till 4 it was planned (Matthew). But after 4 I think she’s carved out an unexpected shift in her career.

[satellites.™]

2 hours ago, WEEKND said:

No place for out of character sudden change in direction or trajectory. 
 

What do you guys think? 

Um, you guys CANNOT be real fans. 

 

In 2011, after the massive success of IASf/GGGB/The Fame Beyonce decided to drop 4 instead of capitalizing on her newfound global pop stardom. If Beyonce has released a pop song and toured the same, did Glastonbury, etc with a POP SMASH during the 2011-2014 years, she would likely be even bigger today.

 

That is just ONE of the things I could say was sudden, dont get me started on Formation and its release strategy.

[swissman]

I don't think it's pre-planned, I just think Beyoncé knows exactly what needs to be done artistically, and understands how to do that in ways may feel pre-planned for how unexpectedly perfect they are, but I think she's more in-the-moment with some general career goals and aspirations guiding her.

[Zoe_]

I will say, she has done extremely well with being consistent looking at her studio albums.

 

After 4, many thought she was over until she released ST. She than released Lemonade which was another successful era (Massive tour, best selling album released that year, and she sold more singles in 2016 than any other artist). When her side projects flopped, people thought she was over again. She released R which had her two biggest solo hits since 2009. Mama is a fighter.

[lonnie]

34 minutes ago, satellites.™ said:

Um, you guys CANNOT be real fans. 

 

In 2011, after the massive success of IASf/GGGB/The Fame Beyonce decided to drop 4 instead of capitalizing on her newfound global pop stardom. If Beyonce has released a pop song and toured the same, did Glastonbury, etc with a POP SMASH during the 2011-2014 years, she would likely be even bigger today.

 

That is just ONE of the things I could say was sudden, dont get me started on Formation and its release strategy.

She could have also alienated part of her fanbase further in a way Usher did if she went even more pop after IASF, and not regained the trajectory she had. 4 was clear growth and a return to her R&B roots after IASF that made people take her more seriously as an artist and laid groundwork towards Self-Titled and everything that came after it. I think I understand what OP means and I agree with them to an extent. Beyonce's image and vision have always seemed very directed and planned from the very beginning, and to an extent it has. This is a woman who literally trained for superstardom ever since she was a child and remains very much in control of where she wants her career to go. It doesn't mean that everything is smooth (Matthew turning out to be an ass eventually, her personal problems with her marriage, etc) but in every situation she always seems to regain control and direction and does it so well so that one might think that it was all premeditated and part of a plan. She's the ultimate superstar machine in almost every way in terms of image, presence and overall presentation.

Edited September 29, 2023 by lonnie

[Feanor]

I mean most people probably have a general plan of how they want their careers to evolve in the next 5-10 years, so I bet Beyoncé too has a rough roadmap of how she wants her next few years to look like career-wise. But that's not something uncommon.