news 911 POLITICAL EMERGENCY: Trump Leads Biden 51-42 in new ABC News/WaPost Poll

[Afterglow]

11 minutes ago, Communion said:

Not at all. Many non-voters polled had nothing to say about Clinton's gender, especially in places that actually cost Clinton the 2016 election. The biggest deciding factor to Clinton losing in 2016 was low-income black voters across 3 states openly saying that they felt life didn't get better over the past 8 years and their belief that voting could make life better had fundamentally changed. 

 

Clinton was never going to win high-earning, rural conservative "independent" men in Iowa. She - because Obama did - could have won low-income voters of color in suburban-urban areas, but turnout in these places crashed in the Rust Belt because these voters are forgotten and left behind after 8 years of false-starts and broken promises.

 

 

All of that is complete and utter bullshit. Not sorry. Stop letting Fox News feed you.

 

And these "polls" and "articles" they keep releasing of the black community trying to socially contain us are completely fabricated.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Afterglow

[Communion]

14 minutes ago, Afterglow said:

All of that is complete and utter bullshit

Study: Wisconsin Black Voter Turnout Fell 19 Percent in 2016 Presidential Election

 

 

Sis, you're just fundamentally wrong *and* late given this has been long studied, analyzed and discussed to the point of exhaustion over the last 7 years. The flip that occurred in Kenosha County speaks for itself. 

 

By virtue of black Americans not being a monolith, not all black Americans are hyper-partisans who feel a loyalty to the Democratic Party. Income and age, just like with all racial groups, cause difference in lived experiences and views. Poor and young black Americans are more likely to abstain from voting when upset with Democratic politicians.

 

Of course none of this is black voters' "fault". Hillary losing was 100% Hillary's fault. Because she failed working class black voters and was an uninspiring candidate who didn't understand what issues drove people to the polls. 

 

This same kind of pitfall that occurred because Democrats forgot about delivering material gains to working class people and just thought the horrors of the George W. Bush admin was enough of a repellent to keep people going to the polls over and over.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Communion

[wesleywalrus]

rig it for real this time plz 

[spree]

next year is going to be the biggest shitshow of our lifetime.  I have faith Gen Z and women will pull thru, but there has to be voter turnout, cuz you know the other side is ready.

[wesleywalrus]

idk if trump winning or biden winning would be more scary. trump winning for obvious reasons, but if trump voters did january 6 the first time, imagine what it would be like this time if biden won. 

[Cruel Summer]

Golly gee! Who could have ever predicted that Biden wasn’t a good candidate to uphold the pillars of democracy? If only someone had warned us four years ago, we might not be in such a precarious predicament. 
 

Here’s to another year of being repeatedly and constantly reminded that this time is DEFINITELY the big one, and the fate of democracy hangs in the balance in the most critical election of our lives! Until the next one, of course.

[princedonte]

I fear the U.S won’t survive this mess it gets worser by the election. 

[Sannie]

40 minutes ago, wesleywalrus said:

idk if trump winning or biden winning would be more scary. trump winning for obvious reasons, but if trump voters did january 6 the first time, imagine what it would be like this time if biden won. 

?????????? There is nothing scary about Biden winning (for the most part). It would be the same ol' bullshit, but with less LGBT genocide.  Trump winning would usher in an entirely new form of US government. The Heritage Foundation is gearing up to take full control of the gov't if Trump wins; effectively switching us over to an authoritarian state. Every major position of power will be held by a Trump loyalist who will allow him to do whatever it is he wants. Abortion will be banned, gay marriage will be overturned, being transgender would be outlawed, our public school system would be demolished and turned into a for-profit Christian propaganda machine, doctors, lawyers, teachers, and police officers will be allowed to deny service to LGBT people, and there will never be another election in the US. And no, I am not being hyperbolic; this is what they want to do. Stop trying this bullshit "both sides" nonsense because there are no "both sides" to this.

 

We are yet again being put into a position of having to choose the slightly lesser of two evils. The main difference though is the party affiliation. While Dems are not perfect and have a lot of work to do, they are at least not pushing to pass 500+ anti-LGBT laws, cheering on immigrant SAW-style traps in the Rio Grande, and actively promoting a treasonous lunatic as President. Our country is far better off morally and culturally with Dems in charge. The right knows their power is waning and they want to take it back and keep it for good. They want every single one of us on this forum to suffer because they do not like us or people like us. This is life and death.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Sannie

[shelven]

Well if there's one thing the media will never stop being obsessed with, it's creating an entire news cycle over one poll conducted over a year before the general election and acting like that poll is the final election result

 

There is just... no conceivable universe where Trump wins the popular vote by 9 points in 2024. And I don't say that to defend Biden (he's an incredibly weak candidate and he should have announced he wasn't running for a second term months ago). But the US electorate is way too polarized for anyone to win by 9 points for the foreseeable future. Obama 2008 was considered a massive landslide win and he won the popular vote by 7. As long as one candidate is running with a D next to their name and another is running with an R next to their name, nobody's winning by +9. 

 

And even all that aside, general election polling 14 months out is not predictive of anything, especially in this election. Trump could be a convicted felon or one or both of Biden and Trump could be dead by November 2024 Polling only exists at this stage to give people something to talk about, which I guess is working.

[wesleywalrus]

2 hours ago, Sannie said:

?????????? There is nothing scary about Biden winning (for the most part). It would be the same ol' bullshit, but with less LGBT genocide.  Trump winning would usher in an entirely new form of US government. The Heritage Foundation is gearing up to take full control of the gov't if Trump wins; effectively switching us over to an authoritarian state. Every major position of power will be held by a Trump loyalist who will allow him to do whatever it is he wants. Abortion will be banned, gay marriage will be overturned, being transgender would be outlawed, our public school system would be demolished and turned into a for-profit Christian propaganda machine, doctors, lawyers, teachers, and police officers will be allowed to deny service to LGBT people, and there will never be another election in the US. And no, I am not being hyperbolic; this is what they want to do. Stop trying this bullshit "both sides" nonsense because there are no "both sides" to this.

 

We are yet again being put into a position of having to choose the slightly lesser of two evils. The main difference though is the party affiliation. While Dems are not perfect and have a lot of work to do, they are at least not pushing to pass 500+ anti-LGBT laws, cheering on immigrant SAW-style traps in the Rio Grande, and actively promoting a treasonous lunatic as President. Our country is far better off morally and culturally with Dems in charge. The right knows their power is waning and they want to take it back and keep it for good. They want every single one of us on this forum to suffer because they do not like us or people like us. This is life and death.

Bruh I'm just saying that if Biden wins, I don't see how its not within the realm of possibility that Trump's supporters take DC hostage, miles worse than January 6th.

The "stolen election" narrative will just be way more prevalent. 

 

[spree]

32 minutes ago, wesleywalrus said:

Bruh I'm just saying that if Biden wins, I don't see how its not within the realm of possibility that Trump's supporters take DC hostage, miles worse than January 6th.

The "stolen election" narrative will just be way more prevalent. 

 

well bring it on! Better to deal with that than risk the alternative.

[Johnny Jacobs]

Why is it Biden? Why not let another fresh person to run? 

[Cruel Summer]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Jacobs said:

Why is it Biden? Why not let another fresh person to run? 

The Democratic Party, via the DNC, has gotten most people on board with the idea that the incumbent President is always the best choice as a nominee when eligible. They won’t host debates, they’ll endorse him by default, and they’ll ensure the media stays on his side - nobody else has a realistic chance, and most people buy into it just because that’s the way it’s been for ages now. Sometimes people will throw around the factoid that no incumbent has ever lost their party’s nomination under the modern system, but it’s not like that means anything, since the DNC never actually gives challengers a fair chance.

 

Basically, because the Democrats said so. 

[Tsuko]

Just split up into two countries already. You all hate each other and have completely different moral codes. Get any issue, and half of you think it's good and the other half thinks it's evil. The US is the most disgusting, evil, corrupt country in the world and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[wesleywalrus]

1 hour ago, Tsuko said:

Just split up into two countries already. You all hate each other and have completely different moral codes. Get any issue, and half of you think it's good and the other half thinks it's evil. The US is the most disgusting, evil, corrupt country in the world and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

right because its the everyday citizens' fault

 

[Afterglow]

20 hours ago, Communion said:

Study: Wisconsin Black Voter Turnout Fell 19 Percent in 2016 Presidential Election

 

 

Sis, you're just fundamentally wrong *and* late given this has been long studied, analyzed and discussed to the point of exhaustion over the last 7 years. The flip that occurred in Kenosha County speaks for itself. 

 

By virtue of black Americans not being a monolith, not all black Americans are hyper-partisans who feel a loyalty to the Democratic Party. Income and age, just like with all racial groups, cause difference in lived experiences and views. Poor and young black Americans are more likely to abstain from voting when upset with Democratic politicians.

 

Of course none of this is black voters' "fault". Hillary losing was 100% Hillary's fault. Because she failed working class black voters and was an uninspiring candidate who didn't understand what issues drove people to the polls. 

 

This same kind of pitfall that occurred because Democrats forgot about delivering material gains to working class people and just thought the horrors of the George W. Bush admin was enough of a repellent to keep people going to the polls over and over.

Sis what did I just tell you about giving these fake ass statistics again?

 

Now don't make me have to AGAIN.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Afterglow

[ClashAndBurn]

59 minutes ago, Afterglow said:

Sis what did I just tell you about giving these fake ass statistics again?

 

Now don't make me have to AGAIN.

What says they're fake? Your feelings?

[bad guy]

23 hours ago, GhostBox said:

Also Biden does have many accomplishment's to stand on. If it wasn’t for inflation (something every country is dealing with just not us)  Biden would sail to reelection Easliy. 

Sure he has some accomplishments but nothing that Americans can see or feel. His biggest thing was the infrastructure bill but there's no tangible evidence (yet) of it actually helping our roads, buildings, bridges, public transit, internet access, etc. What is tangible is the crushing expenses of gas, groceries, or rent. For first time potential homeowners, it's the inability to buy a house. And for border towns all across the country, it's the overwhelming failures of our current border policy. Is all of this Biden's fault? No. But he has such poor communication skills with the public that he can't properly articulate any solutions, and instead just uses surrogates to gaslight the public about how strong the economy is when it isn't.

 

The same argument you're making about "if it wasn't for ____, he'd be fine" can be applied to any president. I mean if Covid never happened, Trump could have easily been re-elected again. Trump's "viability" for president is because of how deeply unpopular Biden is. It's why he won 2016. If Democrats had any sense they'd ask this corpse to retire already and have someone younger with an actual agenda to lead the party into the proper direction instead of pretending like Biden is capable of a job like this. The strategy of hiding and having his surrogate say "at least he's not Trump!" doesn't work. And if that kind of disrespect to Democratic voters is displayed through election night, you're looking at millions of people staying home like 2016 and Trump managing to squeeze out a win via the electoral college. 

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

Next year is going to be positively dreadful.

 

If Trump wins I am moving tf out of DC.

[spree]

30 minutes ago, bad guy said:

I mean if Covid never happened, Trump could have easily been re-elected again. 

this is very true.  I remember his SOTU address in December before Covid hit and it looked like he would win in a landslide cuz of how the economy was.  Yes I know it's because he inherited a rising economy cuz of Obama's policies after the housing crash, but if you took a snapshot at that exact moment, the GP would give him all the credit.

[yourfaveisaflop]

We are doomed 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, spree said:

this is very true.  I remember his SOTU address in December before Covid hit and it looked like he would win in a landslide cuz of how the economy was.  Yes I know it's because he inherited a rising economy cuz of Obama's policies after the housing crash, but if you took a snapshot at that exact moment, the GP would give him all the credit.

Not just the economy, but the Ukrainegate impeachment being a flop and a failure raised Republican self-identification numbers to the highest they’d been since 9/11. Democrats owned themselves by stooping to impeachment over a phone call  

[AMIT]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:42 PM, GhostBox said:

And You think republicans have the LGBT voters best interests at heart? 💀💀💀💀💀💀🤡🤡🤡🤡

 

 

No. 

 

You're so close to getting it, sis.

 

[GhostBox]

Oh look at Biden +5 poll just released today 

lets see everyone freak out over this one as well 😂😂

[HEAVYONIT]

Y'all are freaking out over polls when the election is more than 1 year away? If it were this time next year, then maybe I could see the panic.

 

Bookmark me. If it's Biden/Trump again, Biden wins...again.