base talk Did the Pop Girls from the 2000s/2010s Set the Bar too High?

[AvadaKedavra]

So many stans complain all the time of how Billie-Olivia-Dua-Doja-Ice Spice-SZA and so many newcomers are "boring" "plain basic" and not as interesting as singers from the past........

 but are they really boring?

 





Or the 2000s-Early 2010s? Popgirls set the bar too high for everyone? 

So many of the pop girls from this specific time feel like Anomalies-Miracles? Like everything just went well?
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From videos to performing skills to the sex appeal to their confidence-attitude to reinventions

Sometimes i find very weird-strange how we got such a high number of powerful larger-than-life popstars in such a short time in the 1998-2014 period????

Some examples of many:
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thoughts? 
 

Edited September 23, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[KatyPrismSpirit]

this discussion gets too redundant at a certain point. 

[doonerr]

It just feels like that, because we you are all a bunch of old farts now

Edited September 23, 2023 by doonerr

[burninredhot]

No it's just millenials turning into the new boomers

[AvadaKedavra]

10 minutes ago, doonerr said:

It just feels like that, because we you are all a bunch of old farts now

I personally find the newcomers as interesting as the old ones. Just a little bit more minimal. Gen z are like that  we were used to "maximalist" singers.
Billie debut era was interesting. Olivia punk persona is interesting. Same with Doja chaos or Dua Lipa futuristic dance vibe
I just wish they were better performers. I think thats probably the big barrier???
Some of the divas of the 2000s were also bathed with confidence. They have that attitude of..........Im the biggest bish ***** 
I think some of our newcomers today are more insecure???


 

Edited September 23, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[Feanor]

Everything surrounding the music was more exciting in the late 2000s/early 2010s, but the actual music of the 2020s pop girls is better imo.

[suburbannature]

Streaming and the decline of the music video changed everything. It feels like artists get by with doing the bare minimum now.

 

it also doesn’t help that the GP taste has moved away from pop girls 

[AvadaKedavra]

2 minutes ago, Feanor said:

Everything surrounding the music was more exciting in the late 2000s/early 2010s, but the actual music of the 2020s pop girls is better imo.

They really have more chances to be experimental than the divas of the past. They can release the strangest songs and they will be played like Billie 
The old divas had to obey to the trends and game of the industry 

[leyaris11]

Different times and different decades can't tell. Back then the singer have to actually promo their music to tv programs, awards show across the world, but these new popgirls doesn't have to do that anymore, all they need is a social net work, scandalous or say something shocking. But can not blamed them tho, they have to adapts to the new way to market themselves. Back then, pop stars is a mystery, not anymore. 

 

 

[Relampago.]

No. My fave Rih was not substantially more exciting than Dua, per se. Objectively.

 

Let’s be real for a second, Gaga was the one who really pushed that whole crazy, over the top, pop culture we experienced at her peak. Before then, and post-Adele 21, we returned to a very minimalist, artisté focused era of music (also influenced very heavily by Beyoncé ST). There were some exceptions for sure (1989 for example), but generally we were in a more “boring” era musically, and that’s why pop died out in exchange for more rap/hip-hop/trap taking charge. 

 

It wasn’t until we got this new crop of pop girls with Olivia bringing back punk-pop, Billie with her new edgy and dark image, Dua with her bright, pure pop, gorgeous star image, Doja with her kooky/weird internet meme persona, and SZA with her relatable, excellent songwriting and “side chick/love crazy” persona that we got our pop girls back and stomping. I don’t think they’re boring at all, they’re actually reviving pop and taking the torch that was passed onto them and doing amazing. I’m not equally as big of a fan of all of these ladies (Dua, Doja and Billie are my girls mostly) but I still found myself very hyped for GUTS and SOS and use songs from them still. They’re all making pop more exciting again, just like our older MPGs did back in the day— just in their own way. I’d much rather hear from these new gen pop girls than the nightmare that was mainstream music from 2015-2018ish. 

[AvadaKedavra]

Thanks yll for your comments  very insightful discussion


 

4 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

No. My fave Rih was not substantially more exciting than Dua, per se. Objectively.

 

Let’s be real for a second, Gaga was the one who really pushed that whole crazy, over the top, pop culture we experienced at her peak. Before then, and post-Adele 21, we returned to a very minimalist, artisté focused era of music (also influenced very heavily by Beyoncé ST). There were some exceptions for sure (1989 for example), but generally we were in a more “boring” era musically, and that’s why pop died out in exchange for more rap/hip-hop/trap taking charge. 

 

It wasn’t until we got this new crop of pop girls with Olivia bringing back punk-pop, Billie with her new edgy and dark image, Dua with her bright, pure pop, gorgeous star image, Doja with her kooky/weird internet meme persona, and SZA with her relatable, excellent songwriting and “side chick/love crazy” persona that we got our pop girls back and stomping. I don’t think they’re boring at all, they’re actually reviving pop and taking the torch that was passed onto them and doing amazing. I’m not equally as big of a fan of all of these ladies (Dua, Doja and Billie are my girls mostly) but I still found myself very hyped for GUTS and SOS and use songs from them still. They’re all making pop more exciting again, just like our older MPGs did back in the day— just in their own way. I’d much rather hear from these new gen pop girls than the nightmare that was mainstream music from 2015-2018ish. 

Omg that time of 2015-2018 was awful  Nothing interesting goin on. Lack of new acts. So many boring singers dominating 
 

[Monster Queen]

Let's be honest, all these videos expect the Avril one look the same, just a woman playing with water, making herself wet and acting sexy 

[réveuse]

Yeah, no. Actually, the new pop girls are in some ways better than the old ones.

[AvadaKedavra]

13 minutes ago, réveuse said:

Yeah, no. Actually, the new pop girls are in some ways better than the old ones.

But Taylor is in the old batch sis. She debuted in the late 2000s-early 2010s too and she's a titan 
 

 

Edited September 23, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[Odette Violet]

No. They all have their strengths that should be celebrated 

[glacier76]

I think current pop stars have less a need to display bravado, and there’s support for exhibiting modesty and humbleness. Think that’s refreshing.

[réveuse]

24 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

But Taylor is in the old batch sis. She debuted in the late 2000s-early 2010s too and she's a titan 
 

 

I know this. I wouldn't group her with the new kids either.

[Giancor]

The new ones are very alike. vocal and aesthetic wise 

Also,  mostly everyone sound like lorde variants 

 

back in the day, pop girls would standout effortlessly 

[WokeEqualist]

You're just old

[Tropez]

15 minutes ago, glacier76 said:

I think current pop stars have less a need to display bravado, and there’s support for exhibiting modesty and humbleness. Think that’s refreshing.

I think this is it. You had to appear larger than life, over the top, and glamorous. The trend of being realistic and like the average person is the new thing.

 

I think Dua is more similar like the older pop stars in this regard. She just needs better music.

[Machete]

Reality: Dua, Olivia, and Billie’s music stomps on several of the supposed “pop bibles” you oldies stan. 

[lonnie]

I can remember older pop enthusiasts saying the same exact thing a decade ago. And I bet they'll be saying it a decade from now and then a decade from then, ad nauseum. 

Edited September 23, 2023 by lonnie

[cyberpunkgoth]

i am an gen z boy and i grew up listening to pop music and loving these pop girls and i totally agree 

mainstream pop is lackluster nowadays that's why i like to look forward to more not well known artists 

you can be terrible at stage and terrible at singing but my generation don't care 

they just want to relate to lyrics and i personally don't need relatability to like music

so yeah the 00s/10s pop was better

but billie and doja i consider very interesting, especially doja she is the best performer out of those 

[katysuxx]

It’s mostly the way they present themselves that has changed. People just prefer relatable content nowadays. 

 

However, I do think that the saturation of this market, in the current streaming age, has made it harder for new artists to stand out.  Leading to many rising (label signed) pop girlies playing it safe in terms of their public image, and content. Especially the ones without identifiable and interesting personalities. 

 

One of the things I liked is that the IT girlies had more visibility > larger budgets. Probably why music videos looked more spectacular.

Edited September 24, 2023 by katysuxx

[Antikythera]

The big problem is no one can performer anymore. It is all boring, pseudo intellectual, low effort. We are leaving the lowest of effots time, just look at social midia, youtube, people right know all have this act of "they don't care" and "they are doing too much by doing nothing much", no one puts an effort... Billie Eilish for the 100th time with that OD eyes half open half lost half here half dead...

 

Then u have some rap artists that will bring the visual and concepts but put them into a stage and the lipsync their rap and can't performer (a.k.a Doja Cat) and when they "perform" is jumping around (Minaj).

 

The whole thing is a tragedy, that is why K-Pop grew so much in the west, but they are so 400% plastic that you also miss some depth, some stakes.

 

It is a cycle, I feel that people will get bored of "talented" (for gp talent is people like Adele who doesn't move and release the same ballad 100 times with a video always leaning, standing of seating).

 

But pop also run out after the whole EDM time from 2009-2015... than we passed to that horrible country music times where every singer suddenly "loved Nashville and country" lol, never will forget Kylie going country and acting like this was her life. We also ditched terrible people like Halsey and the tumblr pop, thank God. Hope we never hear about her again!