base talk Did Olivia rip off Fiona Apple?

[Vespertine]

I watched her new iPhone 15 promo music video and was surprised to find the double entendre of "Get Him Back" is pretty much directly lifted (but with subpar lyrics) from Fiona Apple  Get him back like "I want to get my man back" and get him back like "I'm going to get revenge."

 

Before anyone tries it and calls Fiona irrelevant, Olivia is wearing a Fiona shirt in a new video and has called herself a fan in the past.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thoughts?

[Steve Johnson]

 

Edited September 16, 2023 by Steve Johnson

[Katamari]

yes  

[on the line]

Yes. She's an admitted plagiarizer. Once a plagiarizer, always a plagiarizer.

 

With a stolen beat here, and a stolen Cruel Summer there, everywhere a stolen lyric, ol' miss Gen Z plagiarized again! Eee-iiii-eeee-iii-Oliviaaaaaa!

Edited September 16, 2023 by on the line
my dumbass autocorrect

[Escape]

Are the songs similar other than being about the same subject? (I'm not gonna listen)

Cause I don't know if that counts as ripping off.

[Blade Runner]

You b+tches are getting ridiculous. Please get a job. 

[Vespertine]

1 minute ago, Blade Runner said:

You b+tches are getting ridiculous. Please get a job. 

I have one, sweetie. That's why I'm posting on a Saturday! I have the weekend off  

[VeniceBeach]

It's called getting inspired, she also referenced Pretty When You Cry by Lana on all-american *****, legends only!

[GentleDance]

 

I don't think she did, please don't slander Get Him Back (Fiona's version) like that 

 

 

[Verse 2]

Next one up, a contemptible snob

He lived to put things in their place

He did a commendable job

He put himself so low

He can hardly even look me in the face

 

[Chorus]

So wait till I get him back

He won't have a back to scratch

Yeah, keep turning that chin

And you will see my face

As I figure how to kill what I cannot catch

 

[PoisonPill]

The Fiona and Alanis influences have always been clear. GUTS feels like a kidz bop version of Jagged Little Pill.

[fijitears]

7 minutes ago, VeniceBeach said:

It's called getting inspired, she also referenced Pretty When You Cry by Lana on all-american *****, legends only!

 

Her “inspiration” always results to plagiarism. Why? 

[JoJo]

This is like asking if Lana’s California is a ripoff of Joni Mitchell’s California. People who fling around plagiarism accusations so often don’t actually appreciate art 

Edited September 16, 2023 by JoJo

[byzantium]

Yes, we have already established that Olivia copied every single artist to ever come before her.  Which is different than other pop girls who invented new chords, created new genres, and developed new subjects to talk about.  

[on the line]

3 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Yes, we have already established that Olivia copied every single artist to ever come before her.  Which is different than other pop girls who invented new chords, created new genres, and developed new subjects to talk about.  

Thank you for finally admitting this! The truth shall set you free!

[VeniceBeach]

6 minutes ago, fijitears said:

 

Her “inspiration” always results to plagiarism. Why? 

Ask her mother, the Wildest Dreams singer

[GentleDance]

I do think she's been "inspired" by Florence's Sky Full of Song for 'the grudge' 

[Digitalism]

Sometimes I wonder what are some of you doing on a music forum 24/7 without understanding anything about music 

[kimberly]

I know the same fanbase that thinks Taylor Swift invented the phrase "all too well" isn't coming for Olivia Rodrigo for using the English language?

[Vespertine]

20 minutes ago, JoJo said:

This is like asking if Lana’s California is a ripoff of Joni Mitchell’s California. People who fling around plagiarism accusations so often don’t actually appreciate art 

Except there isn't anything remotely similar about those songs besides the title? (and the fact that they're both excellent)

 

I'll have you know I work full-time in the fine art industry (shoutout to Blade Runner, who was very concerned about my employment status!), am a practicing artist, and have multiple art degrees -- but I agree, the US government needs to increase funding for the arts  

[gatito]

i’m a huge fiona stan (just like olivia) and this is a reach 

[Uncatena]

I recommend indeed.com

[Glam]

It's expected that a younger, more talented and prettier popstar gets a lot of stans worried and pressedT.

[JoJo]

20 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

Except there isn't anything remotely similar about those songs besides the title? Hm?

 

I'll have you know I work full-time in the fine art industry (shoutout to Blade Runner, who was very concerned about my employment status!), am a practicing artist, and have multiple art degrees, but thank you for your watching out for the ~arts~  

Yes there are similarities  Lana just switched the point of view as a response to Joni’s song

Joni’s California: “They won't give peace a chance/That was just a dream some of us had” “Reading Rolling Stone reading Vogue” “California I'm coming home”

 

Lana’s California: “I've heard the war was over if you really choose” “I'll pick up all of your Vogues and all of your Rolling Stones” “If you come back to California, you should just hit me up”

also “You hate the heat, you got the blues”

 

My point is that claiming Fiona Apple owns a double entendre and labeling anyone who draws inspiration from it as a plagiarist is a myopic perspective on art. Someone with multiple art degrees should know that. 

 

Edited September 16, 2023 by JoJo

[Vespertine]

4 minutes ago, JoJo said:

Yes there are similarities  Lana just switched the point of view as a response to Joni’s song

Joni’s California: “They won't give peace a chance/That was just a dream some of us had” “Reading Rolling Stone reading Vogue” “California I'm coming home”

 

Lana’s California: “I've heard the war was over if you really choose” “I'll pick up all of your Vogues and all of your Rolling Stones” “If you come back to California, you should just hit me up”

also “You hate the heat, you got the blues”

 

My point is that claiming Fiona Apple owns a double entendre and labeling anyone who draws inspiration from it as a plagiarist is a myopic perspective on art. Someone with multiple art degrees should know that. 

 

Yes, but that doesn't make the songs similar. One is openly responding to another.

 

What I'm pointing out is a recycled idea that doesn't actually pay homage to anything or respond to anything. The point of being inspired by something is to build on it, not to make a watered down version of it.

[JoJo]

1 minute ago, Vespertine said:

Yes, but that doesn't make the songs similar. One is openly responding to another.

 

What I'm pointing out is a recycled idea that doesn't actually pay homage to anything or respond to anything. The point of being inspired by something is to build on it, not to make a watered down version of it.

But that’s not the definition of plagiarism. An artist can be inspired by someone else’s work and still make a worse version of it. That doesn’t make them a plagiarist.