celeb news Sia reveals Rihanna does not steal writing credits, throws shade at certain artists.

[lonnie]

This thread is a mess for no reason

But we have known that Rih doesn't really take credit unless she's actually changed things up (others she's worked have said so too) so this isn't really a surprise and even when she makes small changes her name appears at the end/near-end as industry norms dictates.

[Komet]

3 hours ago, on the line said:

Beyonce was her name-o!! With a stealing credit here and stealing a credit there! Everywhere a credit stolen! Credit stolen there! Ol' miss Beyonce stole a credit!

 

Oh-my-eee-ohhhh-ohhhhhh!!!!

Omg?

 

 

[Blue Rose]

5 hours ago, NausAllien said:

We all know whom she's referring to...

 

 

As much as I love Bey, I think this thing will always haunt her. 

atrl user NausAllien regurgitating the same, already debunked, conspiracy theories from decades ago is certainly not haunting Beyoncé  

[Antikythera]

I used to care about it a lot more, but I figure writers must unite and go public, I know some have before. Sia has enough power and a big platform, it sound's kind lame she is always saying people have stolen credits but never say a name. They accept it because it is the way it works, but after getting rich they accept it because they are greedy. 

 

Showbusiness is all fake, it is always funny when people are treating popstars like they are genuine, organic. Even when they say they write songs, those songs are so prepared to fit a market.

 

I think the only real thing is what people give live and even live there is live pro-tools, playback tricks to look live, performers that use dancers to make it look like they are really great, and they just jump around. 

[swissman]

8 hours ago, Blue Rose said:

You losers are obsessed with Beyoncé. Sia was literally just at the RWT. If she had bad blood she wouldn’t be there. But keep lowering your already low IQs

It's weird that everyone says that thing about the basement when in actuality Sia was invited to stay with Beyoncé in the Hamptons in what is probably a very luxurious home.

SIA ON WRITING WITH BEYONCÉ:

"The process is like a writing camp, essentially. [Beyoncé] flies us all in and puts us all up. We all live in a house together — like five producers and five topline writers. She visits each room and will contribute and let us know what she’s feeling and what she’s not feeling. Lyrically, melodically, anything."

 

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by swissman

[swissman]

6 hours ago, NausAllien said:

We all know whom she's referring to...

 

 

As much as I love Bey, I think this thing will always haunt her. 

If only by Sia's own words, she has negated that whom she is referring to would be Beyoncé.

 

 

[QueenBLadyG]

As another member pointed out Sia was just at the RWT. Any person with even a slight bit of intellect would be able to deduce that there is no hard feelings between the two. 

 

Still fun to watch the dumbasses in a circle jerk though.

[ICLDXU4HS]

Terrible songwriter, that SIA.

[NausAllien]

45 minutes ago, swissman said:

It's weird that everyone says that thing about the basement when in actuality Sia was invited to stay with Beyoncé in the Hamptons in what is probably a very luxurious home.

SIA ON WRITING WITH BEYONCÉ:

"The process is like a writing camp, essentially. [Beyoncé] flies us all in and puts us all up. We all live in a house together — like five producers and five topline writers. She visits each room and will contribute and let us know what she’s feeling and what she’s not feeling. Lyrically, melodically, anything."

 

 

That sounds to me like she doesn't WRITE anything. She just tells them "I like that" / "I don't like that"

 

It reminds of what she does when she rearranges her music live. I remember that video where she told a pianist do "that" with the piano (didn't mention any notes, chords or anything) and the pianist did something and she said "like that."

 

For all intends and purposes, and knowing as much of Beyoncé as I know, she's NOT a songwriter (at least she hasn't been one for TWO decades). She's a producer. Whether you think she deserves a WRITING credit for helping produce these songs, it's up to you.

[swissman]

29 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

That sounds to me like she doesn't WRITE anything. She just tells them "I like that" / "I don't like that"

 

It reminds of what she does when she rearranges her music live. I remember that video where she told a pianist do "that" with the piano (didn't mention any notes, chords or anything) and the pianist did something and she said "like that."

 

For all intends and purposes, and knowing as much of Beyoncé as I know, she's NOT a songwriter (at least she hasn't been one for TWO decades). She's a producer. Whether you think she deserves a WRITING credit for helping produce these songs, it's up to you.

Sia said she visits each room and contributes. I'm not sure what more you need than that. She used the word "and" after "contributes" meaning the contributions are not opinions, but that there are contributions AND opinions. Otherwise the sentence would be "She...will contribute, letting us know what she's feeling".

 

All that said, Beyoncé has long functioned in such a way where producers are credited as co-writers. And it's not just a courtesy, they generally are the ones creating the instrumentals. Even in her self-written songs in the DC days, Beyoncé has credited producers as songwriters. Whereas other artists may not have done so (so they could be the only writer), Beyoncé does. It amounts to a difference of opinion about what a "songwriter" is, but in Beyoncé's case it seems to be anyone who contributes/adds to the final form IS a song-writer. In some cases people who didn't contribute ANYTHING whatsoever are given credit, like the writers of Show Me Love who are co-writers of BREAK MY SOUL, despite not ONE melody or lyric being used in the song (in actuality it's the synth that none of them created which was taken from the remix of their song that was interpolated by Beyoncé).

 

And she also wrote the verses of Formation which hold the entire perspective and purpose of the song. Yes, she collaborates, but to call her "NOT a songwriter" because your knowledge doesn't cover what she's actually written is unfair.

 

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by swissman

[Adam’s Eve]

Serve us another Diamonds, queen before Beyonsnoré comes and collects your ass and puts you back in the Beysment 

[SharonStone]

12 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Yeah I mean Rihanna herself said she's not gonna add 1 word in a song for the sake of getting a writing credit, she never cared

 

But now y'all can shut up about it 

Wasn’t Rihanna exposed for having only 1% writing credits on Work?

We all know she never has or never will be a songwriter hence why she never had any writing credits in most of her albums till it became trendy lately for singers to be branded as songwriters too

[TheFireLexus]

3 minutes ago, SharonStone said:

she never had any writing credits in most of her albums till it became trendy lately for singers to be branded as songwriters too

Lies. She has credits on most of her albums, right from Music Of The Sun, and even her collaborations. Run This Town is literally a song she was writing for herself for Rated R and then cast aside before Jay Z picked it up. Good Girl Gone Bad is the only album where she has no credits.

[Homebrand]

I'm not sure why there is faux outrage   Rih has always been transparent and never pretended to be a songwriter, nor steal others credit.

 

I mean check her first Grammy acceptance speech, she literally thanks the writers and her team for finding the song. The demos for a lot of her songs are out there and yes even if she has only changed minor elements to the song, then yes she technically she does deserve to have the writing credits

 

 

 

[Trainwreck]

12 hours ago, lacy said:

Not this when all she did was bring up a writing credits issue in a thread about writing credits

Olivers stop being obsessed with Taylor challenge

[Thor]

That Beyonce shade whew

 

[istan4badgalriri]

15 minutes ago, SharonStone said:

Wasn’t Rihanna exposed for having only 1% writing credits on Work?

We all know she never has or never will be a songwriter hence why she never had any writing credits in most of her albums till it became trendy lately for singers to be branded as songwriters too

...she has writing credits on 4 songs from her debut album and 8/13 songs on Rated R, which came out 4 years into her career  Hell, she won a songwriting Grammy in 2010 for "Run This Town", as she's one of the 5 credited writers on that song.

 

The only album of hers where she has zero writing credits is 'Good Girl Gone Bad'.

[swissman]

1 hour ago, Adam’s Eve said:

Serve us another Diamonds, queen before Beyonsnoré comes and collects your ass and puts you back in the Beysment 

exactly ONE Sia-written song has ever appeared on a Beyoncé album. Two if you include the bonus song on BEYONCÉ's Platinum Edition, which itself was a remix of a song that was never released.

[TheFireLexus]

17 minutes ago, Homebrand said:

I'm not sure why there is faux outrage   Rih has always been transparent and never pretended to be a songwriter, nor steal others credit.

 

I mean check her first Grammy acceptance speech, she literally thanks the writers and her team for finding the song. The demos for a lot of her songs are out there and yes even if she has only changed minor elements to the song, then yes she technically she does deserve to have the writing credits

 

 

 

She even shouts out songwriters in her own concerts too!

 

[NausAllien]

8 minutes ago, swissman said:

exactly ONE Sia-written song has ever appeared on a Beyoncé album. Two if you include the bonus song on BEYONCÉ's Platinum Edition, which itself was a remix of a song that was never released.

Not releasing "Standing on the Sun" (the original version she performed once in the Mrs. Carter Show Tour) was criminal. I get that it didn't quite fit the sound of "Beyoncé" but she could have released as a stand-alone single like she did around that time with "Bow Down" / "I Been On"

 

[Relampago.]

This thread gives me old ATRL teas

 

Rih being dragged for not writing every song she’s recorded despite having more hits than most of ATRLs faves put together 

 

Bey being dragged for “stealing” credits despite the fact she’s one of the most respected artists of all time 

 

We just need the Monsters to start saying Gaga is the best songwriter of all time and then we have 2012trl back!

[swissman]

1 hour ago, NausAllien said:

Not releasing "Standing on the Sun" (the original version she performed once in the Mrs. Carter Show Tour) was criminal. I get that it didn't quite fit the sound of "Beyoncé" but she could have released as a stand-alone single like she did around that time with "Bow Down" / "I Been On"

 

I think her intention with Bow Down/I Been On and in that time was to shrug off commercial expectations and doing what was expected of her, and releasing a song like Standing on the Sun which was also in a huge H&M campaign is about as commercially minded you can get.

[hétérosexuelle]

Gaga is the best songwriter of all-time

 

OT: Sia suxx

[LatinFreak]

I RAN to see if Shakira had writing credits on Try Everything.... She doesn't! 

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Good for Rihanna, for giving songwriters their credit. Also, lol at everyone automatically thinking Sia is shading Beyoncé.  She should’ve never claimed to write Irreplaceable, that’s when she started getting the bad reputation for stealing writing credits. 

Edited September 16, 2023 by BeenThereDoneThat