celeb news Roisin Murphy admits transphobia in awful statement; Ninja Tune ceases promotion

[ahauntingnearu]

10 hours ago, Rodrighost said:

she is a racist who advocates for jewish supremacy 

Oh **** off, disgusting. Disgusting slander

[Khal]

Rather than having to do a background check on everyone you're stanning, or contorting yourself into a pretzel anytime it's revealed someone you stan might be secretly trash/not hold the same views as you. Maybe take the commonsense approach that you don't know these people at all outside of streaming their music, but nah

[Vermillion]

14 minutes ago, The Man Who said:

This is the first time I’m hearing about this singer so I’m surprised her ignorant comments have caused such an uproar here. I’m guessing she has a large LGBT+ following? 

Yes. Particularly in Europe, where she’s slightly more mainstream than here, mostly from her charting days with the band Moloko in the 90’s and 00’s.

[Pop Life]

The myth that children and families are impulsively jumping into irreversible medical procedures at the behest of a predatory pharmaceutical industry is just that – a myth. Gender-affirming care is a comprehensive model of healthcare that is in no way limited to just hormones or surgery. There are multiple barriers and layers of time gating that have to be passed before any significant medical steps can be taken.

 

Prior to puberty, this care involves years of counseling and psychological evaluation for both the child and family, in order prevent snap judgments and rule out any underlying issues outside of transgenderism that might cause a child to question their identity. Puberty blockers aren't even considered unless an adolescent has consistently exhibited a long-lasting period of gender non-conformity and dysphoria as determined by professionals. 

 

Even if a child does get to this step, it's important to realize that puberty blockers have been used for years to delay puberty in non-transgender children suffering from early-onset puberty. The effects are well-studied, safe and above all completely reversible.

 

It never fails to astonish me how otherwise intelligent, fully functional adults can suddenly exhibit brain rot over specific issues. Watching it happen to someone as immersed in queer culture as Roisin Murphy is disappointing to say the least. I can only hope that it comes from a place of mere ignorance and that she is willing to educate herself on the reality of the issue rather than continuing to fall prey to fear-mongering specifically designed to shut out logical discussions.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Pop Life

[The Man Who]

1 minute ago, Espresso said:

Yes. Particularly in Europe, where she’s slightly more mainstream than here, mostly from her charting days with the band Moloko in the 90’s and 00’s.

I see! I am from the UK, but can’t say I know any of her songs. 
 

I just looked up Moloko and I had no idea they sang The Time Is Now. That’s such a classic! 

[Vermillion]

49 minutes ago, ugo said:

she's a zionist 

20 minutes ago, ahauntingnearu said:

Oh **** off, disgusting. Disgusting slander

Please post any tea or links if you’re going to do any Jessie unrelated argument or to defend her.

 

It’s not worth derailing this thread with a drive-by. Please back it up.

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, Khal said:

Rather than having to do a background check on everyone you're stanning, or contorting yourself into a pretzel anytime it's revealed someone you stan might be secretly trash/not hold the same views as you. Maybe take the commonsense approach that you don't know these people at all outside of streaming their music, but nah

Why are some of you are so contrarian? ddd.

 

"cOmMon sEnSe APprOach".

 

Why would queer people want to give their money to someone who likely hates a facet of queer people? 

Would this be the same approach if she was found holding the view two men shouldn't be allowed to adopt?

[ugo]

3 minutes ago, Espresso said:

Please post any tea or links if you’re going to do any Jessie unrelated argument or to defend her.

 

It’s not worth derailing this thread with a drive-by. Please back it up.

https://twitter.com/mynameisjro/status/1652335887148105729?s=20

[ahauntingnearu]

3 minutes ago, Espresso said:

Please post any tea or links if you’re going to do any Jessie unrelated argument or to defend her.

 

It’s not worth derailing this thread with a drive-by. Please back it up.

I'm not wasting my time doing that, nor will I derail the thread---just know that is a disgusting lie that was never true, and is about a topic that is certainly too nuanced for many of atrl's population (including that horrific user)

[Vermillion]

36 minutes ago, taylor__fan said:

Sorry but no.

 

It is not the trans community's responsibility to educate a woman that has made her way through queer clubs.

 

If she was actually in those clubs and with those trans artists as you said, and listened to them and their stories, I'm 300% sure she should already know enough about these treatments and the amount of hate the trans community gets before making these dumb comments in the internet.

There’s a lot I could say on this topic regarding her comments specifically, but this is where I’m at.

 

@Communion’s covered the rest.

[X~MoviePoP]

Is this that ramalama bang bang singer?

[Bussea]

34 minutes ago, Khal said:

Rather than having to do a background check on everyone you're stanning, or contorting yourself into a pretzel anytime it's revealed someone you stan might be secretly trash/not hold the same views as you. Maybe take the commonsense approach that you don't know these people at all outside of streaming their music, but nah

girl shut up

[Brunette Ambition]

37 minutes ago, Khal said:

Rather than having to do a background check on everyone you're stanning, or contorting yourself into a pretzel anytime it's revealed someone you stan might be secretly trash/not hold the same views as you. Maybe take the commonsense approach that you don't know these people at all outside of streaming their music, but nah

Exactly. 

doesn’t it get tiring to do these purity tests with people twice your age? 

[Brunette Ambition]

Also the Zionism mention in here as if that’s something unheard of literally 90% of folks in the west are zionists. 

y’all act like the little acab queer echo chambers you‘re in are reality. 

[Khal]

49 minutes ago, Bussea said:

girl shut up

Get a life.

[campelo]

1 hour ago, The Man Who said:

I see! I am from the UK, but can’t say I know any of her songs. 
 

I just looked up Moloko and I had no idea they sang The Time Is Now. That’s such a classic! 

Stream Overpowered, it's electroplating masterclass 

[Bussea]

48 minutes ago, Khal said:

Get a life.

you’re on atrl u first 

[shyboi]

1 hour ago, campelo said:

Stream Overpowered, it's electroplating masterclass 

YOUR DATE ON MA DATA

THE CHROMOSOMES MATCH

EXACT DOESN'T MATTA

A MATTER OF FACT

 

[vadge]

Studies have shown (Dr. William Malone, endocrinologist) that approximately 85% of minors with gender dysphoria will grow out of it if left alone (me being one of them), and most will grow up be gay, lesbian or bisexual. It is also worth noting that most gender nonconforming children grow up to be gay, lesbian or bisexual.

 

A different study (Dr. Devita Singh, child psychologist, Susan J. Bradley, child psychiatrist, Kenneth J. Zucker, psychologist and sexologist) showed that 87.8% of gender dysphoric boys grew out of their dysphoria, and that 63.6% of those boys grew up to be gay or bisexual men.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2021.632784/full

 

An entirely separate study by Dr Paul McHugh, psychiatrist, concluded "when children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at Vanderbilt University and London's Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings.”

 

11 studies spanning the 1970s-2010s that support high "desistance" rates for both males and females in adulthood

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qTxVbftyNfukRD5sfUBztwrk7HkL9CI9Uxb67c5c9W8/edit#gid=414824341

 

The general conclusion being that "roughly 60–90% of trans- kids turn out no longer to be trans by adulthood."

http://www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html?m=1

 

This isn't even delving into the physical long term effects of puberty blockers, or the sterilisation issue. In any case, one study suggests 98% of children put on puberty blockers will follow on to cross sex hormones, which teamed with Lupron (puberty blocker) gifts them guaranteed sterility and loss of sexual function.

Pair this with the research showing it's mostly feminine gay boys and masculine lesbian girls being given puberty blockers, and the studies saying gender dysphoric children mostly grow out of it... You have mass sterilsation of gender nonconforming homosexual people. And guess who is pushing for it the hardest?

Edited August 24, 2023 by vadge

[Communion]

15 minutes ago, vadge said:

Studies have shown (Dr. William Malone, endocrinologist) that approximately 85% of minors with gender dysphoria will grow out of it if left alone (me being one of them), and most will grow up be gay, lesbian or bisexual. It is also worth noting that most gender nonconforming children grow up to be gay, lesbian or bisexual.

 

A different study (Dr. Devita Singh, child psychologist, Susan J. Bradley, child psychiatrist, Kenneth J. Zucker, psychologist and sexologist) showed that 87.8% of gender dysphoric boys grew out of their dysphoria, and that 63.6% of those boys grew up to be gay or bisexual men.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2021.632784/full

 

An entirely separate study by Dr Paul McHugh, psychiatrist, concluded "when children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at Vanderbilt University and London's Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings.”

 

11 studies spanning the 1970s-2010s that support high "desistance" rates for both males and females in adulthood

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qTxVbftyNfukRD5sfUBztwrk7HkL9CI9Uxb67c5c9W8/edit#gid=414824341

 

The general conclusion being that "roughly 60–90% of trans- kids turn out no longer to be trans by adulthood."

http://www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html?m=1

 

This isn't even delving into the physical long term effects of puberty blockers, or the sterilisation issue. In any case, one study suggests 98% of children put on puberty blockers will follow on to cross sex hormones, which teamed with Lupron (puberty blocker) gifts them guaranteed sterility and loss of sexual function.

Pair this with the research showing it's mostly feminine gay boys and masculine lesbian girls being given puberty blockers, and the studies saying gender dysphoric children mostly grow out of it... You have mass sterilsation of gender nonconforming homosexual people. And guess who is pushing for it the hardest?

13 posts and you've used most of them to spread medical disinformation or make crank conspiracy theories claiming that peopoe ate somehow bammed from using the word gay. 

[vadge]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

13 posts and you've used most of them to spread medical disinformation or make crank conspiracy theories claiming that peopoe ate somehow bammed from using the word gay. 

You realise everyone else can go and look at my posts too, right? None of them feature anything even remotely 'medical'. And unless you're saying Midnights is bigger than Confessions on a Dance Floor, I'm not seeing any statements than can be interpreted as disinformation either. I also came with receipts, so 'conspiracy theory' is out too.

 

But by all means, return to the topic at hand and prove my 'disinformation' wrong.

[glitch]

Gender criticals are always so loud but so blissfully uninformed at the same time. It's so obvious some people read that essay a certain children's author wrote (which had zero citations btw) and that's the sum total of their engagement with this topic.

 

It's either that or quoting abstracts from articles in dodgy journals that I know you didn't read in full because they're behind a paywall 

[vadge]

1 minute ago, glitch said:

Gender criticals are always so loud but so blissfully uninformed at the same time. It's so obvious some people read that essay a certain children's author wrote (which had zero citations btw) and that's the sum total of their engagement with this topic.

 

It's either that or quoting abstracts from articles in dodgy journals that I know you didn't read in full because they're behind a paywall 

Should be that much easier to debunk then. I'll wait.

[glitch]

2 minutes ago, vadge said:

Should be that much easier to debunk then. I'll wait.

I don't argue with those who approach topics in bad faith. Have a nice day though.

[Communion]

I don't know why it needs to be said but:

 

TRANS PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING STERILIZED

 

You would not say that a man who purposefully got a vasectomy or a woman who got their tubes tied were "being subjected to sterilization". You would sound socially illiterate.

 

Just because such is the technical medical jargon, you'd be seen as a freak telling someone who makes a conscious medical decision to not want to reproduce that they've been subjected to anything let alone sterilization. Especially knowing when we use said terminology for actual instances of medical malpractice when people were actually sterilized without their knowledge or consent.

 

Someone who wants to take cross sex hormones to ease gender dysphoria often does not want to produce the kind of sex based gametes in the first place.Someone who wants their body to stop producing sperm or eggs and gets that result and more through HRT is not the same as victims of forced sterilization because they were part of a clinical drug trial and lied to about the side effects of what they were taking.

 

It reveals a purposefully negative framework and hatred of trans people when misusing medical terminology to fearmonger over the lives of trans people.