celeb news Roisin Murphy admits transphobia in awful statement; Ninja Tune ceases promotion

[liquiddiamonds]

Honestly it’s **** her because I can’t believe someone who seems so invested in our community didn’t meet or follow one single person that tried to educate her on this topic. Bigotry is truly something that runs deep and silently

[perfect blue]

33 minutes ago, playboi said:

Some of y'all coming at her for dragging big pharmas on here 

 

If only you knew what they did to us during the AIDS crisis.

 

Remember that you will never be more than a bag of money to them.

ikr, acting like people are foolish & gullible for being vigilant of big pharma as if Purdue didn’t perpetuate the opioid crisis, profiting off of the deaths of millions. 

[Rodrighost]

1 hour ago, Electrasour said:

So disappointed in her rn. It's as if Jessie Ware was exposed of being a homophobic bigot or smth (which of course I hope she is not)

she is a racist who advocates for jewish supremacy 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, playboi said:

Some of y'all coming at her for dragging big pharmas on here 

 

If only you knew what they did to us during the AIDS crisis.

 

Remember that you will never be more than a bag of money to them.

24 minutes ago, Perfect Blue said:

ikr, acting like people are foolish & gullible for being vigilant of big pharma as if Purdue didn’t perpetuate the opioid crisis, profiting off of the deaths of millions. 

Are you comparing hormone replacement therapy to the addictive quality of opioids? 

This is why you can't have a meaningful resistance to the ills of capitalism without naming capitalism.

 

(Let alone the confusing logic that an opioid crisis *largely reclusive to North America* is somehow justification for an Irish woman believing transgenderism is a scheme)

 

If you had actual vices with Big Pharma, then I assume you support the US government putting price caps on all forms of gender-affirming care and the abolishment of private insurance through Medicare For All in the US? 

 

Let alone despite the constant framing, gender affirming care is still niche by virtue of servicing a micro-community.

Someone a few pages ago was screaming about the risks of vaginoplasty. 

Yes, the surgery that apparently less than 3.5k people have had in the US within the last 5 years!

 

Another interesting fact - over 1/4th of all gender-affirming surgeries in the last 5 years were paid for via lower Medicaid reimbursement rates, while an additional 5% of all surgeries were paid for out of pocket. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by Communion

[mons†er]

8 hours ago, Polgg48 said:

...next

 

[GraceRandolph]

Knew there was a reason I never got into that “music” of hers. 

[Bubble Tea]

Big pharma should always be dragged! Monetizing and making billions of dollars of often essential medicine must be questioned and thoroughly scrutinised.

 

Some of y'all need to expand your critical thinking skills. 

 

Obvi give trans people what they need, but don't be running around thinking those that make MONEY off your medical needs have your best interests at heart.

[GraceRandolph]

Why do all these OGHs end up being transphobic. 
 

[shyboi]

1 hour ago, Electrasour said:

So disappointed in her rn. It's as if Jessie Ware was exposed of being a homophobic bigot or smth (which of course I hope she is not)

 

1 hour ago, Domination said:

No but she was accused of being a Zionist for sharing Zionist propaganda on her IG story.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Rodrighost said:

she is a racist who advocates for jewish supremacy 

 

Not Jessiee

 

we will run out of MPGs to stan

[ShouldersSideways]

32 minutes ago, Rodrighost said:

she is a racist who advocates for jewish supremacy 

Where are you getting this from? That's a pretty big thing to throw out -- nothing pertinent comes up when I Google it either.

[teresaguidice]

1 hour ago, Tropical said:

Big pharma should always be dragged! Monetizing and making billions of dollars of often essential medicine must be questioned and thoroughly scrutinised.

 

Some of y'all need to expand your critical thinking skills. 

 

Obvi give trans people what they need, but don't be running around thinking those that make MONEY off your medical needs have your best interests at heart.

literally no one thinks that and that's a very superficial reading of roisin's opinion on the matter 

Edited August 24, 2023 by teresaguidice

[BadHabits]

10 hours ago, Mitsouko said:

The Roisin Murphy is not transphobic pls.  She is one of the community’s staunchest allies, the community including trans and non-binary people. God forbid the opinions of a straight white woman in her 50s don’t align exactly with those of people half her age who grew up online and in a nearly opposite social climate from hers. A negative opinion of a singular course of treatment which wasn’t accessible or even considered for most of her lifetime does not equate to trans exclusionary radical feminism. She should know better so by all means be disappointed in her. She can get educated for sure, but y’all need to realize that most people in the real world cannot turn their opinions on and off, switching between ways of thinking on a yearly basis the way the culture makes it seem. She may be a big mouth old crone but you can’t question her allegiance to the LGBT community.

Most people in the UK are conservative or at least were until BorisGate, so it doesn't shock me if people are slightly transphobic or lacking knowledge on Transgenderism, it's Do's and Don'ts and proper ettiquette. 

 

Even with hot LGBT+ issues such as gender-neutral bathrooms and changing rooms, trans people in sports, minors watching explicit drag shows, minors transitioning, non-binary award show categories, the LGBT+ community will find that most people don't have the opinion they'd like people to have. It's so unrealistic to expect someone who isn't a Gen Z or above the age of 30 to have the same or most progressive views as them, as it's often said that we become more conservative as we get older.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Mendes]

14 hours ago, Mitsouko said:

The Roisin Murphy is not transphobic pls.  She is one of the community’s staunchest allies, the community including trans and non-binary people. God forbid the opinions of a straight white woman in her 50s don’t align exactly with those of people half her age who grew up online and in a nearly opposite social climate from hers. A negative opinion of a singular course of treatment which wasn’t accessible or even considered for most of her lifetime does not equate to trans exclusionary radical feminism. She should know better so by all means be disappointed in her. She can get educated for sure, but y’all need to realize that most people in the real world cannot turn their opinions on and off, switching between ways of thinking on a yearly basis the way the culture makes it seem. She may be a big mouth old crone but you can’t question her allegiance to the LGBT community.

Growing up in a different time is not an excuse for ignorance as the world changes. Everyone has the opportunity to learn and educate themselves, especially those who hold the privilege of access and resources like Roisin. There is no valid reason for her to have not educated herself on the matter she’s discussing before speaking about it. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by Mr. Mendes

[Supervillain]

Can we call her music trash without consequences now?

[HonourableVomit]

I don't know what the big pharma point or greater conspiracy she's referring to is, but having read this entire thread (and the one on PopJustice where they're acting like she personally took a knife to the throat of every trans child) it's obvious that this issue is so polarised that it gives me a headache. 

 

Did Roisin Murphy really debut transphobia? 

 

I believe the account & comment belong to her. She certainly exhibited her ignorance on a relatively new form of medical treatment, as the other posters who can speak on the treatment more thoroughly than me have outlined already, likely influenced by her living in the UK where anti-trans propaganda and fear-mongering is targeted at mothers specifically, and she has two children aged around 14 and 11.

 

For context since half the thread is people saying "**** her, never listened" she's an artist who dropped out of school and made her way through clubs (particularly queer clubs mind you) instead of university and has straddled the lines of creativity & street smarts rather than research skills and critical thinking. She has openly supported gay and trans performers in her work, featuring them in videos and live performances, she has collaborated with trans artists, and has labelled herself a drag performer at various times. I don't believe her 30 years of public actions or words on the subject have shown any indication whatsoever that she has any ill will or even the slightest disgust towards transgender people nor transgenderism as a concept. Hell, she wrote a song about the courage of the House of Labeija and still sings it on her latest tour. 

 

My interpretation of her dumb comment in the OP, having only seen ONE message out of what was obviously a thread (and I do have to wonder why that one was cherry picked out of the entire section when it appears to be in the middle of a discussion), is that when she says to stop calling women TERFs, she's not saying "TERF is a slur!!" or relating it to hate speech, but that she doesn't want the discussion to be reduced to name calling when people ask questions or share opinions that highlight the need for further education about niche issues like this. And she's right - if she of all people can be labelled a TERF based on this comment, after all the context in my above paragraph above, then the term has lost all meaning.

 

You can say "It's not the trans community's responsibility to educate-" but sadly, it pretty much is. It has been nice to see how many allies have rushed to take up the cause, and the internet definitely helped me understand more thoroughly, but not everyone is going to get it immediately and it IS our burden to have these discussions over and over, ideally with the patience to undo the damage done by relentless right-wing propaganda until it's no longer a minority view.  

 

What I hope for her is that she quickly nips this in the bud and firmly rejects the crew of bad faith actors who are now trying to back up the supposed transphobia and "defend" her, and that she learns about puberty blockers from an informed source, and passes that information on. I equally hope that those in the trans community who were hurt by this comment coming from her, are able to heal that disappointment and process it however they may feel, not out of my concern for her losing fans or whatever.   

 

Edited August 24, 2023 by HonourableVomit

[Eat The Acid]

7 hours ago, Tropical said:

Big pharma should always be dragged! Monetizing and making billions of dollars of often essential medicine must be questioned and thoroughly scrutinised.

 

Some of y'all need to expand your critical thinking skills. 

 

Obvi give trans people what they need, but don't be running around thinking those that make MONEY off your medical needs have your best interests at heart.

Yes everybody knows this. 
 

The point is that bringing that into trans rights discussions as an anti-trans position is a disingenuous distraction away from the fact that it has got NOTHING to do with a persons right to choose their gender and engage in treatment to affirm that gender. 

[dumbsparce]

Based on her comment in the op, she's expressing her concerns regarding hormone therapy at a young age. Misinformed or not, I don't see how that alludes to her hating trans people.

Edited August 24, 2023 by dumbsparce

[RT Air]

2 hours ago, HonourableVomit said:

I don't know what the big pharma point or greater conspiracy she's referring to is, but having read this entire thread (and the one on PopJustice where they're acting like she personally took a knife to the throat of every trans child) it's obvious that this issue is so polarised that it gives me a headache. 

 

Did Roisin Murphy really debut transphobia? 

 

I believe the account & comment belong to her. She certainly exhibited her ignorance on a relatively new form of medical treatment, as the other posters who can speak on the treatment more thoroughly than me have outlined already, likely influenced by her living in the UK where anti-trans propaganda and fear-mongering is targeted at mothers specifically, and she has two children aged around 14 and 11.

 

For context since half the thread is people saying "**** her, never listened" she's an artist who dropped out of school and made her way through clubs (particularly queer clubs mind you) instead of university and has straddled the lines of creativity & street smarts rather than research skills and critical thinking. She has openly supported gay and trans performers in her work, featuring them in videos and live performances, she has collaborated with trans artists, and has labelled herself a drag performer at various times. I don't believe her 30 years of public actions or words on the subject have shown any indication whatsoever that she has any ill will or even the slightest disgust towards transgender people nor transgenderism as a concept. Hell, she wrote a song about the courage of the House of Labeija and still sings it on her latest tour. 

 

My interpretation of her dumb comment in the OP, having only seen ONE message out of what was obviously a thread (and I do have to wonder why that one was cherry picked out of the entire section when it appears to be in the middle of a discussion), is that when she says to stop calling women TERFs, she's not saying "TERF is a slur!!" or relating it to hate speech, but that she doesn't want the discussion to be reduced to name calling when people ask questions or share opinions that highlight the need for further education about niche issues like this. And she's right - if she of all people can be labelled a TERF based on this comment, after all the context in my above paragraph above, then the term has lost all meaning.

 

You can say "It's not the trans community's responsibility to educate-" but sadly, it pretty much is. It has been nice to see how many allies have rushed to take up the cause, and the internet definitely helped me understand more thoroughly, but not everyone is going to get it immediately and it IS our burden to have these discussions over and over, ideally with the patience to undo the damage done by relentless right-wing propaganda until it's no longer a minority view.  

 

What I hope for her is that she quickly nips this in the bud and firmly rejects the crew of bad faith actors who are now trying to back up the supposed transphobia and "defend" her, and that she learns about puberty blockers from an informed source, and passes that information on. I equally hope that those in the trans community who were hurt by this comment coming from her, are able to heal that disappointment and process it however they may feel, not out of my concern for her losing fans or whatever.   

 

This is the most sensible take I’ve read on this entire situation so far

[Frozen99]

that's very disappointing for the few of her fans.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Frozen99

[Leptine]

I knew there was a reason of why I never liked her.

[Vermillion]

17 hours ago, uusagii said:

That and attacking Robyn for working with Braulio Amado

Details please  

[Vermillion]

@uusagii Nevermind. I had forgotten about this. Whatever.

https://twitter.com/scruff_dawg/status/1072167190076579840?s=20

[ugo]

9 hours ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Where are you getting this from? That's a pretty big thing to throw out -- nothing pertinent comes up when I Google it either.

she's a zionist 

[taylor__fan]

3 hours ago, HonourableVomit said:

I don't know what the big pharma point or greater conspiracy she's referring to is, but having read this entire thread (and the one on PopJustice where they're acting like she personally took a knife to the throat of every trans child) it's obvious that this issue is so polarised that it gives me a headache. 

 

Did Roisin Murphy really debut transphobia? 

 

I believe the account & comment belong to her. She certainly exhibited her ignorance on a relatively new form of medical treatment, as the other posters who can speak on the treatment more thoroughly than me have outlined already, likely influenced by her living in the UK where anti-trans propaganda and fear-mongering is targeted at mothers specifically, and she has two children aged around 14 and 11.

 

For context since half the thread is people saying "**** her, never listened" she's an artist who dropped out of school and made her way through clubs (particularly queer clubs mind you) instead of university and has straddled the lines of creativity & street smarts rather than research skills and critical thinking. She has openly supported gay and trans performers in her work, featuring them in videos and live performances, she has collaborated with trans artists, and has labelled herself a drag performer at various times. I don't believe her 30 years of public actions or words on the subject have shown any indication whatsoever that she has any ill will or even the slightest disgust towards transgender people nor transgenderism as a concept. Hell, she wrote a song about the courage of the House of Labeija and still sings it on her latest tour. 

 

My interpretation of her dumb comment in the OP, having only seen ONE message out of what was obviously a thread (and I do have to wonder why that one was cherry picked out of the entire section when it appears to be in the middle of a discussion), is that when she says to stop calling women TERFs, she's not saying "TERF is a slur!!" or relating it to hate speech, but that she doesn't want the discussion to be reduced to name calling when people ask questions or share opinions that highlight the need for further education about niche issues like this. And she's right - if she of all people can be labelled a TERF based on this comment, after all the context in my above paragraph above, then the term has lost all meaning.

 

You can say "It's not the trans community's responsibility to educate-" but sadly, it pretty much is. It has been nice to see how many allies have rushed to take up the cause, and the internet definitely helped me understand more thoroughly, but not everyone is going to get it immediately and it IS our burden to have these discussions over and over, ideally with the patience to undo the damage done by relentless right-wing propaganda until it's no longer a minority view.  

 

What I hope for her is that she quickly nips this in the bud and firmly rejects the crew of bad faith actors who are now trying to back up the supposed transphobia and "defend" her, and that she learns about puberty blockers from an informed source, and passes that information on. I equally hope that those in the trans community who were hurt by this comment coming from her, are able to heal that disappointment and process it however they may feel, not out of my concern for her losing fans or whatever.   

 

Sorry but no.

 

It is not the trans community's responsibility to educate a woman that has made her way through queer clubs.

If she was actually in those clubs and with those trans artists as you said, and listened to them and their stories, I'm 300% sure she should already know enough about these treatments and the amount of hate the trans community gets before making these dumb comments in the internet.

[The Man Who]

This is the first time I’m hearing about this singer so I’m surprised her ignorant comments have caused such an uproar here. I’m guessing she has a large LGBT+ following?