celeb news Roisin Murphy admits transphobia in awful statement; Ninja Tune ceases promotion

[Headlock]

42 minutes ago, Communion said:

What do you think a 3% regret rate entails?

How many medical treatments do you think have a regret rate as low as 3%?

Like!!! It’s maddening, for one as IF healthcare providers aren’t discussing the potential long-term side effects to patients (it is literally their job??), but that every procedure and medication has a near 100% satisfaction rate. Like, the rate of regret for knee replacements is around 20% 

[Headlock]

42 minutes ago, Sparksfly88 said:

Come on now you know the average woman is not shoving something to keep their ****** open… 

So you’re saying this is a specialized method of care for specific instances in healthcare that affects a specific population and is not generalizable to all patients or humans in the world and should not cause mass hysteria, like… say, trans healthcare? 

[John Slayne]

59 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

What a dumb *****. It would have been fine if she was confused or maybe asking a question to be informed (although Google is a click away), but she's really out here being all "pls dont call women TERFs uwu!!!!!" and mentioning the Big Pharma conspiracy theory.

 

You would think she would know better for someone so deeply involved in the queer scene for ages and they're basically the only people that care about her. This **** is sad.

She lives in the UK and tbh it's really bad here. The media are insanely anti-trans at the moment, even many 'progressive' magazines and newspapers publish transphobic articles. Sadly I'm not all that shocked that a middle-aged white woman living in the UK is transphobic, many of them are right now. 

 

But yeah like you say, the fact the queer people pay her bills makes this incredibly frustrating.  

[John Slayne]

9 minutes ago, Perfect Blue said:

Any earnest concern that is raised is instantly branded 'TRANSPHOBIC' and the inquirer labeled a TERF if it goes against the mob's belief system.

The fact that you're fighting for your life here defending transphobia while Ethel Cain is your profile picture... now sis! What is going on?

 

[Bussea]

i barely know who this is, so i’m just gonna assume she’s a flop and thankfully I probably won’t hear from her anymore in the future

[Communion]

15 minutes ago, Perfect Blue said:

Any earnest concern that is raised is instantly branded 'TRANSPHOBIC' and the inquirer is branded a TERF if it goes against the mob's belief system.

 

50 minutes ago, Keter said:

Patients have the right to informed consent and to know risk factors for all interventions. 

The issue is that the rhetoric being used does not demonstrate "earnest" concern. And that "concerned" people like both of you appear to be peddling right-wing dog whistles because you can't give straight answers.

 

Because the statements you're making are not in tune with reality.

 

It's like if a homophobe went; "I HAVE A RIGHT AS A PARENT TO KNOW IF A TEACHER IS BEING SEXUALLY INAPPROPRIATE WITH MY CHILD."

 

Well.. yes, of course, but that's being used as a misnomer, as when earnestly engaged with, it comes out that the concern is not over "sexual inappropriateness", for example, but a gay teacher just being out at school.

 

It's why the constant attempts to center de-transitioners are seen as disingenuous. 

"EVERY PATIENT HAS THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE RISKS OF ANY MEDICAL PROCEDURE!!"

Yes... well, of course. Do you have any evidence that people are not being informed of such?

Because a 3% regret rate would imply they are being informed and are largely happy.

 

"Pressure / rejection from family" makes up the majority of case for why people de-transition, yet I don't see this "earnest crowd of concerned skeptics" similarly noting the importance to affirm one's gender if you love them. 

 

In this thread alone, we've gone from:

• "You're poisoning children with Big Pharma's evil pills!" "Well actually, cis kids need them too"
• "It's not just that, all children must undergo their natural puberty!!" "HRT is experiencing puberty"
• "Well I'm disgusted at grown adults have open wounds!!" "A neo-****** is not an open wound"

How did it go from "think of the kids!!" to mocking adult trans people's genitals? 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Communion

[Headlock]

47 minutes ago, Keter said:

 

As a patient, if you were to receive adenosine, wouldn’t you like to know before it’s given that the medication stops your heart momentarily?  You have a right to know the risks. 

That is not a risk, that is the expected outcome of administering adenosine to someone in a dysrythmia which allows the heart to restart at a normal rhythm  

[Headlock]

17 minutes ago, Perfect Blue said:

Any earnest concern that is raised is instantly branded 'TRANSPHOBIC' and the inquirer labeled a TERF if it goes against the mob's belief system.

Are these earnest concerns on the room with us right now? And the absolute nerve of you to have an Ethel Cain avi spouting this nonsense 

[Cheers]

“I can’t believe someone profiting off Gays is so ignorant!!!”

 

I can’t believe how gullible some of you are djdjdjdjsjdjs these mfs don’t care about us 

[uusagii]

She's over

[Femalien]

the propagandized responses in this thread...

 

[satellites.™]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

Most people when polled think the healthcare of a trans child is up to the parent and that the government has no right to deny a parent the right to help their child access puberty blockers or HRT if that's what the parent finds best.

 

 

Most people are actually pro-trans and have no issues understanding that gender-affirming care is healthcare.

 

The only way pollsters and thinktanks are able to get a negative perception of gender-affirming care is through the lens of parental rights and framing questions like: "Would you approve of a teacher helping your child transition under your nose???" (spoiler: the language is purposefully vague because the only way a teacher is "helping" your child "transition" is by respecting the name or pronouns they wish to be called in social transition).

 

 

U thought you did something, but I don't disagree, that's the point I was making.

 

That DOES NOT mean we can't have pushback and nuances as queer people IN OUR OWN CIRCLE. 

[Keter]

6 minutes ago, Headlock said:

That is not a risk, that is the expected outcome of administering adenosine to someone in a dysrythmia which allows the heart to restart at a normal rhythm  

No, the expected outcome of adenosine is resolution of specific cardiac health alterations. The mechanism of action of adenosine is that it stops the heart and “reboots” it. The risk factors involved with that mechanism include death (among other things). The patient needs to be informed of that. You thought you were saying something. 
 

10 minutes ago, Communion said:

It's why the constant attempts to center de-transitioners are seen as disingenuous. 

"EVERY PATIENT HAS THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE RISKS OF ANY MEDICAL PROCEDURE!!"

Yes... well, of course. Do you have any evidence that people are not being informed of such?

Because a 3% regret rate would imply they are being informed and are largely happy.

This is what you said relevant to me, so I’m quoting it: we agree! My issue lies with the attempts to treat puberty blockers like some minor drug “oh yeah just stop puberty and then start hormone replacement down the road.” It’s not that simple and patients should know the risk factors and potential permanent complications.
 

The problem with informed consent is that many people who are told the risks just doctor-shop or accuse a specific practitioner of transphobia. 

 

Again, my main point: trans kids and families please be aware of all the risks involved and make educated care decisions. The end!  

[Young In Love]

ew, that's really not-... i'm so disappointed :/

[SupremeGoddess]

not you, not you

 

oh well her new music sucks so she’s gotta keep her momentum going somehow. hopefully the fanbase leaves her in a ditch 

 

unstanning her now 

[State of Grace.]

1 minute ago, John Slayne said:

She lives in the UK and tbh it's really bad here. The media are insanely anti-trans at the moment, even many 'progressive' magazines and newspapers publish transphobic articles. Sadly I'm not all that shocked that a middle-aged white woman living in the UK is transphobic, many of them are right now. 

 

But yeah like you say, the fact the queer people pay her bills makes this incredibly frustrating.  

I guess we tend to forget sometimes that she's a middle-aged, white, rich, cis woman at the end of the day and they tend to fall for these reactionary politics lol. I was never a fan or anything, but it is indeed so frustrating coming from someone who has built her career and made profit off of queer people.

 

I do hope that she takes some time to actually listen to trans people and post a statement apologizing or something instead of doubling down. I personally don't think she's invalidating trans women as a whole and she's been supportive of the trans community before, but the Big Pharma conspiracy theory/the whole let's stop calling people TERFs!!! is a really bad path. If she insists on going down that rabbit hole then she'll get her ass handed to her. Although I wouldn't be shocked if the transphobic Gs in our community rally behind her now.

[PoisonPill]

7 pages of hysterical debate... watch it end up being a fake FB account

[Communion]

15 minutes ago, Keter said:

The problem with informed consent is that many people who are told the risks just doctor-shop

Sis, this is getting into red flag territory. Why would someone need to go find a new doctor if the doctor wasn't letting their anti-trans, likely religious-fueled prejudices impact their delivery of medically agreed-upon care? 

 

The language you're using is not commonplace in normies. "Sexual maturation" just means in layman's terms the ability to reproduce. You can just say fertility issues. Overly-medicalized jargon comes off as the TERF-preference to harsher language meant to dehumanize used by Christofascists like "MUTILATED!!" or "STERILIZED!!". "Trans people will NEVER REACH SEXUAL MATURATION" is fear-mongering. Someone who does not want to produce sperm is not harmed by reaching the state they wanted. It's just really icky language I'd avoid.

 

That's why @Headlock made their comment to you. If someone produces sperm, because they have testes, and it is dysphoric to them to have testes and for their body to produce sperm, it is then not a "a potential risk" that they won't be able to later have children. It is the desired and expected outcome of someone who does not wish to naturally produce sperm anymore because they do not see themselves as a man. 

 

So again:

29 minutes ago, Communion said:

"EVERY PATIENT HAS THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE RISKS OF ANY MEDICAL PROCEDURE!!"

Yes... well, of course. Do you have any evidence that people are not being informed of such?

Fun fact - vasectomies have a higher reversal rate (6%) than the current regret rate for medical transition (3%)!

Edited August 23, 2023 by Communion

[Jooj]

Omg not one of my favorite artists

 

 

I dont have FB so i cant check if the profile is fake but someone said it had a video of her dad so idk...

 

Perched for her instagram response 

[supaspaz]

3 hours ago, Both Sides Now said:

As a whole, it is generally much better in Ireland… We have self ID and our politicians don’t make transphobic jokes for point-scoring. 
 

However, Róisín has lived in London most of her life at this point. 

That’s honestly great to hear! I was making assumptions based on the conservative Catholic culture, but given the progress on abortion, for example, in recent years, it seems like things are liberalizing.

[Keter]

20 minutes ago, Communion said:

Sis, this is getting into red flag territory. Why would someone need to go find a new doctor if the doctor wasn't letting their anti-trans, likely religious-fueled prejudices impact their delivery of medically agreed-upon care? 

 

The language you're using is not commonplace in normies. "Sexual maturation" just means in layman's terms the ability to reproduce. You can just say fertility issues. Overly-medicalized jargon comes off as the TERF-preference to harsher language meant to dehumanize used by Christofascists like "MUTILATED!!" or "STERILIZED!!". "Trans people will NEVER REACH SEXUAL MATURATION" is fear-mongering. Someone who does not want to produce sperm is not harmed by reaching the state they wanted. It's just really icky language I'd avoid.

 

That's why @Headlock made their comment to you. If someone produces sperm, because they have testes, and it is dysphoric to them to have testes and for their body to produce sperm, it is then not a "a potential risk" that they won't be able to later have children. It is the desired and expected outcome of someone who does not wish to naturally produce sperm anymore because they do not see themselves as a man. 

 

So again:

Fun fact - vasectomies have a higher reversal rate (6%) than the current regret rate for medical transition (3%)!

Alright let’s wrap it up: 

 

Why would someone doctor shop?

if a patient perceives one provider as delaying their care (say one recommends therapy or living as one’s innately felt gender for a time before transition), they will find another who won’t delay. this can hinder true understanding of long-term risks and benefits of care. 

 

You can just say fertility issues:

No, I’m not talking specifically about reproduction, although that is a factor.
 

Many adults have sex for pleasure and that requires physiological sexual maturity. Arousal and the libido are attached to sexual maturation. Starting puberty blockers and then hormones at a young age can halt the development of adult sex drives.

 

Sex isn’t everything, but I think it needs to be explained that sexual function (for reproduction or pleasure) can be impaired for life. If they’re okay with that possibility, go for it!

 

the rest:

in terms of your statistics, I don’t have a comment on that because I wasn’t arguing regret rates as proof to not transition trans youth. I said detrans people are just as valid as trans. I stand by that. 
 

My point is that they should be educated on long term and potentially lifelong complications beyond the resolution of gender dysphoria. 

 

 Always a pleasure! 

[Electrasour]

So disappointed in her rn. It's as if Jessie Ware was exposed of being a homophobic bigot or smth (which of course I hope she is not)

[Domination]

7 minutes ago, Electrasour said:

So disappointed in her rn. It's as if Jessie Ware was exposed of being a homophobic bigot or smth (which of course I hope she is not)

No but she was accused of being a Zionist for sharing Zionist propaganda on her IG story.

 

[playboi]

Some of y'all coming at her for dragging big pharmas on here 

 

If only you knew what they did to us during the AIDS crisis.

 

Remember that you will never be more than a bag of money to them.

[ZIVERT]

That crone and her pots and pans music can croak.

 

K, bye for now scumbag