celeb news Roisin Murphy admits transphobia in awful statement; Ninja Tune ceases promotion

[~Start The Music]

It’s so ******* annoying how people are still on this hysteria involving trans people it’s not that hard to educate yourself omfg

 

[State of Grace.]

What a dumb *****. It would have been fine if she was confused or maybe asking a question to be informed (although Google is a click away), but she's really out here being all "pls dont call women TERFs uwu!!!!!" and mentioning the Big Pharma conspiracy theory.

 

You would think she would know better for someone so deeply involved in the queer scene for ages and they're basically the only people that care about her. This **** is sad.

Edited August 23, 2023 by State of Grace.

[Communion]

21 minutes ago, satellites.™ said:

The internet and ATRL in general are just so out of touch with reality and how MOST people really think.

Most people when polled think the healthcare of a trans child is up to the parent and that the government has no right to deny a parent the right to help their child access puberty blockers or HRT if that's what the parent finds best.

 

 

Most people are actually pro-trans and have no issues understanding that gender-affirming care is healthcare.

 

The only way pollsters and thinktanks are able to get a negative perception of gender-affirming care is through the lens of parental rights and framing questions like: "Would you approve of a teacher helping your child transition under your nose???" (spoiler: the language is purposefully vague because the only way a teacher is "helping" your child "transition" is by respecting the name or pronouns they wish to be called in social transition).

 

 

[visions]

1 minute ago, MoonGoodandHappy said:

Are you kidding me ? Like.... Do you know how many young boy or girls want to change their gender and change their mind later ? Theres a lot of cases of ex trans children who are traumatized for life and their life is destroyed because of this because they have changed their mind.

I can't believe we live in a era where saying that is considered like transphobic. 

Leave childrens alone, they will make this choice when their BRAIN IS FINISHED. When i was 9 years old i wanted to be a Pokemon. 

Puberty blockers =/= changing gender. Have you read absolutely anything said on here or do your eyes glaze over at long words?

 

Who have I called transphobic at any point in this thread?

[Keter]

2 minutes ago, MoonGoodandHappy said:

Are you kidding me ? Like.... Do you know how many young boy or girls want to change their gender and change their mind later ? Theres a lot of cases of ex trans children who are traumatized for life and their life is destroyed because of this because they have changed their mind.

I can't believe we live in a era where saying that is considered like transphobic. 

Leave childrens alone, they will make this choice when their BRAIN IS FINISHED. When i was 9 years old i wanted to be a Pikachu. 

Yes and you often get people who mock them and tell them they weren’t trans to begin with and aren’t helping the movement/should’ve read the fine print. All i want personally is for each patients to be informed. Patients must understand all risk factors before treatment is initiated. It’s essential across healthcare! 

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, MoonGoodandHappy said:

Do you know how many young boy or girls want to change their gender and change their mind later ?

According to the most comprehensive study done thus far..

 

3%

 

It's actually more common for someone to "de-transition" and then "re-transition" then to just de-transition.

 

 

[EmailMySwift]

1 hour ago, CandleGuy said:

Anyone who supports the use of drugs to block the natural puberty of a child is disgusting and will be on the wrong side of history.

 

You simply cannot allow a child to make such a life altering decision. There are other ways to support trans children while preventing them from making irreversible decisions until their brains are developed enough to do so.

 

The mob mentality to cry "tRaNsPhObIa" whenever a celeb states a completely rational take on protecting children is ridiculous.

 

She is an outspoken LGBT advocate who undoubtedly supports the trans community. Just because all of her views don't align with the most extreme of all pro-trans views does not make her a transphobe.

Sadly nuanced and rational takes like this don't have a place in our world anymore. Everyone has to be aggressively on one side or the other. Opinions have to fit within a tweet! 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Keter said:

Individuals on cross sex hormones never sexually mature. Jazz Jennings is such a case. 

This is sex essentialist nonsense that I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt over but then I saw you liking the post below yours that was fearmongering over detransitioners despite that medical transition sees a 3% regret rate, so now what reads as pedantry is coming off as particularly insidious, just so you're aware. 

 

No serious person who isn't a transphobe fearmongers over 3% of transitions ending in de-transitioning.

 

 

[Bimbo]

9 minutes ago, Sparksfly88 said:

We are literally mutilating children without explaining all of the pain they will have to endure.

???

[Keter]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

This is sex essentialist nonsense that I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt over but then I saw you liking the post below yours that was fearmongering over detransitioners despite that medical transition sees a 3% regret rate, so now what reads as pedantry is coming off as particularly insidious, just so you're aware. 

 

No serious person who isn't a transphobe fearmongers over 3% of transitions ending in de-transitioning.

 

 

I really dislike the efforts to further marginalize and erase de-transitioned. I’m not speaking from a political soapbox perspective, but rather a healthcare one. They deserve to be acknowledged, informed, and cared for like any other patient. Their experiences are just as a valid. 
 

Again, informed patient consent is paramount. That’s my only point. Puberty blockers have great risks and potential complications, as does hormone replacement therapy (for trans people, menopausal women, etc.). These patients need to understand these risks so they can choose their treatment path. Period. 

[visions]

The leaps people in here are taking in order to appear well thought, level headed, and moderate 

 

Us: This isn’t a great thing to say for x y and z reasons. 

 

Them: You’re just all trying to cancel everybody and not leaving room for discussion!!! 
 

It’s like they genuinely believe calling someone a terf is just as bad as being actually transphobic. 

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, Sparksfly88 said:

I don’t think children should be allowed to take puberty blockers and I’m a gay person

What does this even mean? What does being gay have to do with being trans? 

Does being gay make you an endocrinologist? If not, why would then your opinion be meaningful if it is likely medically ignorant and uninformed? 

 

Also:

1) National Review is a far-right website that isn't credible.

2) Referring to trans women's vaginas as "open wounds" is inflammatory and dehumanizing, where you will convince no one you're not a bigot by choosing to go down that route.

3) Dilatation is not a health practice exclusive to trans women. Some cis women have medical conditions that cause muscle tension within the ****** and thus use dilators to help make the pain associated with certain activities less painful. Arguing that needing to dilate a ****** for medical health reason means it's a "fake open wound and not a real ******" is terribly insulting to millions of cis women. 

 

Again, some of you are so convinced of what you believe are the realities of trans-related healthcare that you reveal yourselves as terribly ignorant to downright harmful in your disinformation over medical treatments and interventions experienced and needed by cis people all the time.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Communion

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Keter said:

I really dislike the efforts to further marginalize and erase de-transitioned.

What do you think a 3% regret rate entails?

How many medical treatments do you think have a regret rate as low as 3%?

[Sparksfly88]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

 

3) Dilatation is not a health practice exclusive to trans women. Some cis women have medical conditions that cause muscle tension within the ****** and thus use dilators to help make the pain associated with certain activities less painful. Arguing that needing to dilate a ****** for medical health reason means it's a "fake open wound and not a real ******" is terribly insulting to millions of cis women. 

 

Come on now you know the average woman is not shoving something to keep their ****** open… 

[Draper.]

Why wouldn’t she write her name properly? I don’t think that’s her…

[Keter]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

What do you think a 3% regret rate entails?

How many medical treatments do you think have a regret rate as low as 3%?

Respond to the whole message or not at all. I’m not doing the piecemeal thing with you. Patients have the right to informed consent and to know risk factors for all interventions. 

Detransitioners should be treated in the healthcare system like all other patients. Those considering puberty blockers, hormone replacement, and/or surgical procedures need to know the benefits and the risks.
 

As a patient, if you were to receive adenosine, wouldn’t you like to know before it’s given that the medication stops your heart momentarily?  You have a right to know the risks. 

[Cain]

34 minutes ago, Tomek said:

and how is puberty blockers a livesaving medication?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

[Cain]

Anyway, it’s hilarious to me that people think they’re entitled to opinions on topics they know absolutely nothing about, that doesn’t involve them and that have everything to do with the likelihood of survival of someone else

 

This topic is between the trans community and the healthcare system and everyone else should stay out of it

[PoisonPill]

I wouldn't consider criticism/skepticism of gender reassignment procedures for underage children to be transphobia or bigotry, at least on its own. But I'm not aware of Roisin's overall views on transgender rights.

[Tiziano's Boy]

She's over tbh , she needs to come out and respond to this and I'm hoping this is a fake profile, also @Communion Finasteride is used for medical issues in AMAB people such as an enlarged prostate and prostatitis/CPPS.

[brooklyndaddy]

9 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

I wouldn't consider criticism/skepticism of gender reassignment procedures for underage children to be transphobia or bigotry, at least on its own. But I'm not aware of Roisin's overall views on transgender rights.

This. I don’t think her being skeptical means she is transphobic. But I have to learn more about her views. 

[Communion]

37 minutes ago, Sparksfly88 said:

Come on now you know the average woman is not shoving something to keep their ****** open… 

I'm confused - first the issue was that bottom surgery causes horrific pain and sex won't be enjoyable ever.

Now the issue is that you believe trans women's vaginas are "open wounds"?

 

The claims you're posting are malicious, anti-scientific nonsense meant to dehumanize and fear-monger over trans bodies, let alone read as not really having any understanding of female bodies in general.

 

The fact that there are *different* types of bottom surgeries to begin with should let you know that this broad claim ("a trans woman must dilate for the rest of her life or else her 'open wound' will close!!) is nonsense. You just have to ask several trans women who have had bottom surgery.

 

For many, daily dilation may only be required during the first year until the surgery has fully healed. Yes, the ****** does indeed heal. It is not "an open wound". Do you think millions of trans women are getting sepsis every year? That's a horrific, purposefully inflammatory way to speak of trans women that perpetuates misogynistic language already used about female genitalia. Once healed, trans women are encouraged to periodically dilate, depending on what they got, not because a they have na "open wound" but because the muscles of the pelvic floor constrict and tighten.

 

Cis women sometimes dilate as medical intervention for when muscle constriction occurs. Dilation is not exclusive to trans women and serves the same function. Obviously cis women and trans women, if a trans woman has a ******, have different vaginas and that difference can 100% be respected. But I don't think mocking someone's genitals as "open wounds" is demonstrative of someone coming to the table with respect for trans people.

 

Also, these concerns over bottom surgery feel particularly feel disingenuous from the same people who tell us that to be a woman that trans women must have vaginas because "women can't have penises". 

 

"You can't be a woman and have a p3nis"" and "Trans women shouldn't be allowed to get a vaginoplasty" are contradicting ideas.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Communion

[Headlock]

1 hour ago, visions said:

Every OPBH (original puberty blocker hater) just stopped replying instead of being able to provide a counter argument.  

 

It’s almost as though their half baked opinions are just regurgitated **** and they’ve done no research on the topics they love to pass their opinion on? 

Screaming 

[Headlock]

52 minutes ago, Sparksfly88 said:

I don’t think children should be allowed to take puberty blockers and I’m a gay person. I’m sorry but teenagers change their mind all the time, I don’t believe they should be allowed to play with their body like that and they could regret it later in life. 
 

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/transgender-woman-denied-euthanasia-in-canada-over-post-surgical-pain-and-regret/

 

this post op trans woman has been in pain for years after her bottom surgery (you have to introduce a dildo daily because the bottom surgery is just an open wound where they slice the ***** into half to create a neo-******. Obviously, your body will try to heal that open wound and close it that’s why you have to introduce a dildo every day to keep the neo-****** open. Sex is painful and uncomfortable because our bodies are not meant to be walking around with an open wound. We are literally mutilating children without explaining all of the pain they will have to endure.

Not the National Review 

[perfect blue]

1 hour ago, satellites.™ said:

It's literally INSANE at this point, like ANY single pushback is met with being called a transphobe, same as people did Jamie Foxx with the anti-semitism. 

 

The internet and ATRL in general are just so out of touch with reality and how MOST people really think.

 

 

Any earnest concern that is raised is instantly branded 'TRANSPHOBIC' and the inquirer labeled a TERF if it goes against the mob's belief system.