celeb news Roisin Murphy admits transphobia in awful statement; Ninja Tune ceases promotion

[PoisonPill]

1 hour ago, Lovett said:

This is a prime example of why people who are woefully uneducated on a topic shouldn't be allowed to publicly express such ignorant opinions. Good lord.

Opinions that you find wrong or misinformed shouldn’t be allowed publicly?

[MusicIsMyMaster]

Stream now 

 

 

[Communion]

35 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

Opinions that you find wrong or misinformed shouldn’t be allowed publicly?

Would you support an artist or argue for any random person to be given a platform if they voiced any of the following views that have been similarly debunked by either modern medical consensus or modern scientific understanding?

• The world is flat
• Vaccines cause autism
• Race predetermines one's IQ
• Homosexuality is akin to pedophilia and can be cured

If you're arguing for protecting sex essentialist views that try to deny trans people's existence as some form of free speech absolutism, where does that end? Race essentialism? Gender essentialism?

 

If you can't change one's sex and gender isn't real by virtue of natural order, then doesn't that affirm homophobes' argument that being gay is similarly unnatural because the same sex gametes you produce - that either make you 'innately' male or female - are literally for the purpose of reproduction, which requires heterosexual sex and attraction? You can't co-sign the idea that trans people are not part of the natural order of the world without also deeming people with same sex attraction as similarly at odds to the cishetero "natural" order.

 

What is the difference between rejecting modern medical consensus that you can't convert people out of being transgender and rejecting the modern medical consensus that you can't convert people out of being gay?

 

Why do you think it is that so many people who reject transgender people also think homosexuality is a mental illness? It's genuinely wild - and speaks to whatever other forms of privilege some of you have - that a forum of largely LGBT people are speaking in defense of platforming fascistic views that ultimately end in the removal of LGBT (yes, ALL 4 letters) from public life and society. "Are you REALLY saying people shouldn't be allowed to say they think being gay requires a lobotomy??". 

Edited September 8, 2023 by Communion

[Frozen99]

49 minutes ago, Communion said:

And then the same cycle repeats:

A: *spouts horrible anti-trans view rooted in misinformation and ignorance to science*

B: *rightfully offended over exterminationist rhetoric*

C: "OH WOW. SEE? PEOPLE GET JUMPED ON INSTEAD OF BEING EDUCATED! HOW ELSE DO WE GROW?"

B: *offers education on why the original opinion is ignorant to medical consensus*

C: "Well I don't agree and reserve my right to a difference of opinion! Why are DISCUSSIONS so bad??"

 

this thread in a nutshell.

[sunbathinganimal]

20 minutes ago, MusicIsMyMaster said:

Stream now 

 

 

if you wanna support the album go for it but why are you actively trying to antagonise people

[JEWRJEWR]

8 hours ago, FireFade said:

 

how can anyone support this...

[Uncatena]

5 minutes ago, sunbathinganimal said:

if you wanna support the album go for it but why are you actively trying to antagonise people

for them, and some other users, this entire situation has just been "a kii a cackle". they think she is being "iconic" by being a bigot; its the Azealia Banks Syndrome where a genuinely awful person somehow attracts the type of gay who'll say "I know she kinda sucks but LMFAO this is SO funny!!  " 

[MusicIsMyMaster]

11 minutes ago, sunbathinganimal said:

if you wanna support the album go for it but why are you actively trying to antagonise people

Okay and? Some of yall are coming into the album thread doing exactly what I did here. And vice versa...

 

but when I do it , its a warning point.

[sunbathinganimal]

Just now, ChapelHooker said:

for them, and some other users, this entire situation has just been "a kii a cackle". they think she is being "iconic" by being a bigot; its the Azealia Banks Syndrome where a genuinely awful person somehow attracts the type of gay who'll say "I know she kinda sucks but LMFAO this is SO funny!!  " 

seeing people in the album thread suddenly kii over the whole situation when they've spent the past week bending over backwards attempting to morally justify buying the album is so embarassing

[Communion]

1 minute ago, MusicIsMyMaster said:

Okay and? Some of yall are coming into the album thread doing exactly what I did here. And vice versa...

 

but when I do it , its a warning point.

Do you agree with Roisin's view that 80% of trans people are just cis gay people being mutilated by Big Pharma and that social affirmation should be banned? 

 

Would it not be easy to understand why such a hateful and vitriolic view would illicit negative feelings from queer people? And that disliking expressed to an artist you like is not the same as rhetoric that calls for exterminating trans people?

 

Would you still be acting this way if she had shared the view that homosexuality is largely unhealthy and that society should discourage allowing people to identify as homosexual on the belief that 80% of gays will no longer identify as gay later on in life? 

[MusicIsMyMaster]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Do you agree with Roisin's view that 80% of trans people are just cis gay people being mutilated by Big Pharma and that social affirmation should be banned? 

 

Would it not be easy to understand why such a hateful and vitriolic view would illicit negative feelings from queer people? And that disliking expressed to an artist you like is not the same as rhetoric that calls for exterminating trans people?

 

Would you still be acting this way if she had shared the view that homosexuality is largely unhealthy and that society should discourage allowing people to identify as homosexual on the belief that 80% of gays will no longer identify as gay later on in life? 

I already said what I had to say on this topic multiple times. Please use the search bar to find my comments in this topic.

 

Someone also shared their personal experience about this matter

[Uncatena]

4 minutes ago, sunbathinganimal said:

seeing people in the album thread suddenly kii over the whole situation when they've spent the past week bending over backwards attempting to morally justify buying the album is so embarassing

and yet so predictable...

[Uncatena]

1 minute ago, MusicIsMyMaster said:

Someone also shared their personal experience about this matter

I know you're not talking about the CIS GAY MAN playing dress up as a kid omg  also, it was a yes or no question, but I think we can all assume what side of the argument you are on based on your comments and behavior... it really be your own damn community

[WEEKND]

We’ll make a moooviiie the darling of cinema 

 

im sad this is the same woman.

[MusicIsMyMaster]

3 minutes ago, ChapelHooker said:

I know you're not talking about the CIS GAY MAN playing dress up as a kid omg  also, it was a yes or no question, but I think we can all assume what side of the argument you are on based on your comments and behavior... it really be your own damn community

My believe is that I don't think its fair to brutally wish this woman death for voicing her own opinion, especially when she has children of her own. 

[Club classic]

4 hours ago, ChapelHooker said:

...which is why for anyone, including children, to medically transition in any way, in most places, its required that they are medically diagnosed with gender dysphoria, often through a long, thorough therapeutic process with a professional. you don't go to your family doctor and say "I'm a girl!" and get hormones or puberty blockers. 

Thank you, I don't get how people don't get this part  I swear some people think it's like buying a painkiller.

[Sheep]

Some of you really just come on this website to fight and feel good about yourselves for it don't you? Nobody ever won over a transphobic imbecile with essays about how much better you are than them.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Century

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, MusicIsMyMaster said:

I already said what I had to say on this topic multiple times. Please use the search bar to find my comments in this topic.

No, you're not getting out of it that easy, I'm sorry.

 

Your love for Roisin because you like her music and thus feel "hurt" at people having negative opinions of her is not the same as people being materially hurt because Roisin was advocating for the denial of essential healthcare and rights for trans people, while also platforming genuinely horrific rhetoric by others that dehumanized trans people.

 

You said you "are a trans supporter" in your only post in this thread, yet in the album thread you also just literally praised her for ensuring her album profits DID NOT go to a trans charity and said it was her going "not today, Satan!".

 

Who's Satan in this scenario? ....trans people?

Do you think "not today, Satan!!" is a normal reaction to have about trans people and charities?

 

Let alone, you're literally quoting another user saying they're "LIVING FOR HER" and praising her as "refreshingly shady" for ensuring her label didn't give any money to Mermaids?? 

Edited September 8, 2023 by Communion

[LOTF]

6 hours ago, Mak said:

 “I’m so proud of the fans I have, old and new”… 

This is SO incredibly sad, she's not beating the transphobe allegations...

[lgaga1fan]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

No, you're not getting out of it that easy, I'm sorry.

 

Your love for Roisin because you like her music and thus feel "hurt" at people having negative opinions of her is not the same as people being materially hurt because Roisin was advocating for the denial of essential healthcare and rights for trans people, while also platforming genuinely horrific rhetoric by others that dehumanized trans people.

 

You said you "are a trans supporter" in your only post in this thread, yet in the album thread you also just literally praised her for ensuring her album profits DID NOT go to a trans charity and said it was her going "not today, Satan!".

 

Who's Satan in this scenario? ....trans people?

Do you think "not today, Satan!!" is a normal reaction to have about trans people and charities?

I agree with a lot of what you've said but 'not today satan' isn't literally referring to satan, its common lgbt lingo at this point

[Communion]

10 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

I agree with a lot of what you've said but 'not today satan' isn't literally referring to satan, its common lgbt lingo at this point

I'm not an idiot. I know the RPDR reference. It's literally still a form of praise to suggest she's being quippy and shady and funny by letting all of her TERF followers know she ensured Ninja Tune was not making any charity donations.

 

She's not a queer person throwing playful shade to someone. She's not "serving". She's not "having a kii". She's literally informing her new audience that she's done her due diligence to ensure her album doesn't go to benefit trans people. It's not "shady clapbacks 101!". 

 

Me asking "who is Satan" is not inferring that she literally means Satan. I'm asking them to specify WHO they think she's "clapping back" at exactly? She's further doubling down and yet you have users like @campelo and @MusicIsMyMaster posting "we love a shady queen!  She let THEM know!! Not today Satan! Keep the haters mad!!!". 

 

It went from "let's learn to separate the art from the artist" to "yes queen SNATCH that money out of those i[insert slur]'s hands quick!! they remain PRESSED'T!!! ". 

Edited September 8, 2023 by Communion

[Sheep]

19 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

I agree with a lot of what you've said but 'not today satan' isn't literally referring to satan, its common lgbt lingo at this point

they're a troll that seems very unhappy dont get yourself sucked in bestie 

 

edit: too late 

 

Reporting won't change the fact that you misrepresent the posts of even people who agree with you to continue spewing anger. It's textbook troll behavior. If you can use ATRL as an outlet like this there's nothing wrong with warning people how you operate.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Century

[PoisonPill]

48 minutes ago, Communion said:

Would you support an artist or argue for any random person to be given a platform if they voiced any of the following views that have been similarly debunked by either modern medical consensus or modern scientific understanding?

• The world is flat
• Vaccines cause autism
• Race predetermines one's IQ
• Homosexuality is akin to pedophilia and can be cured

If you're arguing for protecting sex essentialist views that try to deny trans people's existence as some form of free speech absolutism, where does that end? Race essentialism? Gender essentialism?

 

If you can't change one's sex and gender isn't real by virtue of natural order, then doesn't that affirm homophobes' argument that being gay is similarly unnatural because the same sex gametes you produce - that either make you 'innately' male or female - are literally for the purpose of reproduction, which requires heterosexual sex and attraction? You can't co-sign the idea that trans people are not part of the natural order of the world without also deeming people with same sex attraction as similarly at odds to the cishetero "natural" order.

 

What is the difference between rejecting modern medical consensus that you can't convert people out of being transgender and rejecting the modern medical consensus that you can't convert people out of being gay?

 

Why do you think it is that so many people who reject transgender people also think homosexuality is a mental illness? It's genuinely wild - and speaks to whatever other forms of privilege some of you have - that a forum of largely LGBT people are speaking in defense of platforming fascistic views that ultimately end in the removal of LGBT (yes, ALL 4 letters) from public life and society. "Are you REALLY saying people shouldn't be allowed to say they think being gay requires a lobotomy??". 

I’m not going to address this essay full of hyperbole and strawmans that projects extreme views I never expressed, since that’s your routine on this forum. 

[Reverie]

8 hours ago, FireFade said:

 

Wow  

[Communion]

12 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

full of hyperbole

For those who actually care about LGBT people, this is what people who agree with Roisin think of gay people:

 

You cannot separate homophobia from transphobia. 

 

Asking "should we then not ban the opinion homosexuality is a mental illness?" is objectively neither a strawman nor hyperbole because the arguments for why Roisin finds trans people unnatural fuels the same homophobic rhetoric. If you continue digging, the sex essentialism Roisin expresses eventually turns to homophobia. Period. 

 

So yes, any queer person should feel fine saying people should spread misinformation on being gay or trans should be deplatformed. That you @PoisonPill divert to acting offended at the idea of deplatforming and then can't actually defend your idea shows us all you're the one dabbling in strawmen and normalizing transphobia.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Communion