celeb news Roisin Murphy admits transphobia in awful statement; Ninja Tune ceases promotion

[sad girl]

16 hours ago, Hurem said:

We are not beyond that though? If you don't want people to continue to have discussions about this, you'll be left with a whole lot of people who are all about far-right talking points when it comes to trans rights. I've experienced even my most liberal straight friends falling into the vortex of far-right propaganda and it was discussion what got them out of it.

 

I understand it can be frustrating, especially when it comes from people you'd least expect it from, but we must educate people. That's the only way to move forward.

you spilt!

[Afterglow]

This thread

[LOTF]

19 hours ago, Hurem said:

I understand it can be frustrating, especially when it comes from people you'd least expect it from, but we must educate people. That's the only way to move forward.

I mean if we're not willing to educate because "google is right there" or "google is free"  then we are leaving the door wide open for bigots to do it instead. And best believe they are willing to put in the work of spreading their misinformation

[Communion]

On 9/5/2023 at 5:50 PM, Hurem said:

We are not beyond that though? If you don't want people to continue to have discussions about this, you'll be left with a whole lot of people who are all about far-right talking points when it comes to trans rights. I've experienced even my most liberal straight friends falling into the vortex of far-right propaganda and it was discussion what got them out of it.

 

I understand it can be frustrating, especially when it comes from people you'd least expect it from, but we must educate people. That's the only way to move forward.

Friendly reminder for everyone on her album's release eve that hundreds of fans were trying to educate her in her replies and she decided to pin a comment saying that over 80% of trans people are just mentally ill and mutilated in response!

[Hurem]

11 minutes ago, Communion said:

Friendly reminder for everyone on her album's release eve that hundreds of fans were trying to educate her in her replies and she decided to pin a comment saying that over 80% of trans people are just mentally ill and mutilated in response!

Okay, but I wasn't talking about specifically education Roisin, it was about educating people overall.

[Jessie]

On 9/5/2023 at 10:50 PM, Hurem said:

We are not beyond that though? If you don't want people to continue to have discussions about this, you'll be left with a whole lot of people who are all about far-right talking points when it comes to trans rights. I've experienced even my most liberal straight friends falling into the vortex of far-right propaganda and it was discussion what got them out of it.

 

I understand it can be frustrating, especially when it comes from people you'd least expect it from, but we must educate people. That's the only way to move forward.

And that’s not on trans people to do, just like black people aren’t responsible for teaching white people how to be better allies, and trans people have been doing this for years just as many minorities have — there is plenty of literature out there written from trans perspectives, rallies, days of remembrance, online resources and charity education outreach  — and it’s especially not on trans people when so much “discussion” is done in bad faith.
 

It’s a losing game when there is such a disproportionate bias in MSM that to pin this on trans people being too “stubborn” “angry” or as some complete ******* idiots in this thread have described as “fascists” for turning their backs on those who have doubled down in their harmful rhetoric is beyond tone deaf.

Edited September 7, 2023 by Jessie

[Hurem]

4 minutes ago, Jessie said:

And that’s not on trans people to do, just like black people aren’t responsible for teaching white people how to be better allies, and trans people have been doing this for years just as many minorities have — there is plenty of literature out there written from trans perspectives, rallies, days of remembrance, online resources and charity education outreach  — and it’s especially not on trans people when so much “discussion” is done in bad faith.
 

It’s a losing game when there is such a disproportionate bias in MSM that to pin this on trans people being too “stubborn” “angry” or as some complete ******* idiots in this tread have described as “fascists” for turning their backs on those who have doubled down in their harmful rhetoric is beyond tone deaf.

It's no one's duty to educate others, but it makes it easier for everyone - especially the members of the community. Like I said in my previous post, I understand how frustrating it can be, but I don't see it as a bad thing to explain stuff to people and try to get them to understand. 

[Jessie]

2 minutes ago, Hurem said:

It's no one's duty to educate others, but it makes it easier for everyone - especially the members of the community. Like I said in my previous post, I understand how frustrating it can be, but I don't see it as a bad thing to explain stuff to people and try to get them to understand. 

And many users such as myself, Communion and ChapelHooker have been doing exactly that and people are still acting dense 28 pages later so what now?

 

And members of the community, those working in queer spaces and allies should be the first ones speaking up for trans people in solidarity in discussions which is why again this whole debacle has been particularly egregious. 

[FireFade]

 

[brooklyndaddy]

I’m a little lost. What are her beliefs exactly? That children shouldn’t transition? 

[Communion]

32 minutes ago, brooklyndaddy said:

I’m a little lost. What are her beliefs exactly? That children shouldn’t transition? 

That "transgenderism is an ideology" and that "80% of trans people are just misdiagnosed cis gay people mutilating themselves" apparently 

[Virgos Groove]

1 hour ago, FireFade said:

 

Such a nasty person.

[campelo]

38 minutes ago, Communion said:

That "transgenderism is an ideology" and that "80% of trans people are just misdiagnosed cis gay people mutilating themselves" apparently 

  You don't know her views apart being against puberty blockers, touch grass 

[Mak]

How gross. She was quick to reply to that question to her new fans who were too  hesitant to buy/stream because of the supposed donations. 
 

I forgot to unsubscribe from her mailing list and my jaw dropped when I read the latest email… “I’m so proud of the fans I have, old and new”… like you’re seriously proud of your new fans and how they are treating all the LGBTQ people in your comments. So disgusting!

[Communion]

24 minutes ago, campelo said:

You don't know her views 

If she didn't agree with the text I quoted, why would she then pin a comment that said such when she was asked to apologize for her comments on puberty blockers? 

 

Does this not tell me what her views are? Why would someone pin this on their post if they don't agree with it?

 

[PoisonPill]

I did not find her original comment transphobic, it expressed a reasonable concern that is shared by many progressive and tolerant people. But the additional posts she's made are definitely giving TERF.

 

I identified with her original comment because, as a young kid I loved dressing up as my favorite female characters and asked my parents to wear earrings and nail polish to school. I probably even said at times that I was a girl. I think if that had been present day, my progressive parents may have felt pressure to affirm and encourage my new gender identity. When in reality I was just a curious 8 year old who was exploring the feminine aesthetic, I grew out it during puberty and never desired to be a girl. I feel lucky I was allowed to develop into a secure gay man who enjoys embracing both my masculine and feminine sides.

 

Edited September 8, 2023 by PoisonPill

[Shimenawa]

3 hours ago, FireFade said:

 

She wants that terf money 🤑💰

[Uncatena]

16 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

I identified with her original comment because, as a young kid I loved dressing up as my favorite female characters and asked my parents to wear earrings and nail polish to school. I probably even said at times that I was a girl. I think if that had been present day, my progressive parents may have felt pressure to affirm and encourage my new gender identity. When in reality I was just a curious 8 year old who was exploring the feminine aesthetic, I grew out it during puberty and never desired to be a girl. I feel lucky I was allowed to develop into a secure gay man who enjoys embracing both my masculine and feminine sides.

...which is why for anyone, including children, to medically transition in any way, in most places, its required that they are medically diagnosed with gender dysphoria, often through a long, thorough therapeutic process with a professional. you don't go to your family doctor and say "I'm a girl!" and get hormones or puberty blockers. also, im happy you figured out yourself but your experience then has literally no correlation to the trans experience. there are literally children, teenagers and adults expressing the desire to not be alive anymore because they are that uncomfortable every single day. 

 

16 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

it expressed a reasonable concern that is shared by many progressive and tolerant people.

absolute bullshit btw. progressive folks don't actually believe TERF is a misogynistic slur or that trans kids are "mixed up gay kids", see my reasoning above. not to mention the literal belief in a conspiracy theory of big pharma pushing puberty blockers...

 

her original comment is damaging, out of touch and transphobic. the end. 

Edited September 8, 2023 by ChapelHooker

[Rune]

I've been a fan of her and Moloko since 2008 and this has been really disappointing.

 

I was willing to overlook the annoying AI art but I won't excuse "big pharma transing away our youth" then doubling down.

[FireFade]

good luck to her with her "new fans". they will flock over to the next anti-trans person very soon, even they won't be here to press play on her music for some twitter screenshots alongside a stupid hashtag. 

[Virgos Groove]

I'll be surprised if she doesn't do a GB News interview by the end of the year.

[Lovett]

2 hours ago, PoisonPill said:

I did not find her original comment transphobic, it expressed a reasonable concern that is shared by many progressive and tolerant people. But the additional posts she's made are definitely giving TERF.

 

I identified with her original comment because, as a young kid I loved dressing up as my favorite female characters and asked my parents to wear earrings and nail polish to school. I probably even said at times that I was a girl. I think if that had been present day, my progressive parents may have felt pressure to affirm and encourage my new gender identity. When in reality I was just a curious 8 year old who was exploring the feminine aesthetic, I grew out it during puberty and never desired to be a girl. I feel lucky I was allowed to develop into a secure gay man who enjoys embracing both my masculine and feminine sides.

This is a prime example of why people who are woefully uneducated on a topic shouldn't be allowed to publicly express such ignorant opinions. Good lord.

[Frozen99]

6 hours ago, FireFade said:

 

it's the "i checked" for me  so she's not just against 'transing away the youth' but against trans people in general. digging her TERF hole even deeper.

[SLIME]

The "I checked!" could be from a Trump tweet.

[Communion]

52 minutes ago, Lovett said:

This is a prime example of why people who are woefully uneducated on a topic shouldn't be allowed to publicly express such ignorant opinions. Good lord.

And then the same cycle repeats:

A: *spouts horrible anti-trans view rooted in misinformation and ignorance to science*

B: *rightfully offended over exterminationist rhetoric*

C: "OH WOW. SEE? PEOPLE GET JUMPED ON INSTEAD OF BEING EDUCATED! HOW ELSE DO WE GROW?"

B: *offers education on why the original opinion is ignorant to medical consensus*

C: "Well I don't agree and reserve my right to a difference of opinion! Why are DISCUSSIONS so bad??"