celeb news Roisin Murphy admits transphobia in awful statement; Ninja Tune ceases promotion

[Uncatena]

24 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

They're pro-Dr.Luke and disliked every pro-Kesha post when it came to her and Luke so this isn't surprising. Something needs to be done about the terfs on here.

well that certainly somehow checks out… there truly is such a weird influx of centrists and terf-adjacent users for a few years now… 

[JEWRJEWR]

What's funny is the fact that, even those who think the same way she does, are calling her a coward for not standing by what she said. She is over OVER.

[madonnas]

4 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

https://www.dictionary.com/e/queer-vs-gay/

 

theres a lot of discussion regarding the label queer and queer theory in sociology 

I’m aware of the discussion but whether or not you personally use the term it’s generally agreed upon that it means “LGBT”.   The definition isn’t “LGBT people who like the term queer” 

[Daddy]

This is all SO disappointing, I'm quiet shocked at her apology tbh. We literally lost Roisin motherfucking Murphy!

[Brunette Ambition]

8 minutes ago, ChapelHooker said:

with all due disrespect, you’re so ******* lame

https://therollingexplorer.com/ableist-language-to-avoid-and-acceptable-alternatives-lame-edition/
 

hope this helps! 

[SmittenCake]

7 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

https://www.dictionary.com/e/queer-vs-gay/

 

theres a lot of discussion regarding the label queer and queer theory in sociology 

where is the discussion? held among small circles with the bri ish gheyz who are LGB drop the T?

[bestfiction]

13 minutes ago, Blue Jeans said:

I'm sorry but this is blown out of proportion  She should not have said anything but opened a large can of worms. Sounds uneducated about the topic but we all can learn. I'm not going to "cancel" her because of one misstep. People online are excited to shred celebrities for any missteps and cheering for their downfall.

Even Gaga has so many haters online. Social media is getting out of control

I mean, she has said that she's not willing to learn (for now). That's the problem. Her comments were harmful to the LGBT community, particularly trans people, so she should've made her stance on trans people clear, showcase some desire to challenge her current views and distance herself from terfs that ran to her the second they saw these facebook screenshots. This aplogy doesn't do any of these things and she's said that her views are "fixed" (which is ironic considering that her art is on the verge of avant garde). At the very least she's said that she's not going to speak on something she's not informed on but at this point it's not enough

I'm a die hard fan of hers and I like to believe that while this apology did more harm than good, she hasn't passed the point of no return like JK Rowling but for now I'll be on the fence with supporting her

[bestfiction]

31 minutes ago, Filpo said:

Arca's conversation with trans actress Sophia Lamar, less than a year ago.

 

I wouldn't be so sure she's talking about Róisín.

Oh I see, that's fair. I would still agree with Espresso that the timing is way too good

[shookspeare]

anyway can we admit now that most of her music is actually unlistenable cuz... she has like 5 major bops and the rest is giving great gowns

[Uncatena]

14 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

https://therollingexplorer.com/ableist-language-to-avoid-and-acceptable-alternatives-lame-edition/
 

hope this helps! 

and sooooo corny too lmfao, pick a struggle! 

[Vermillion]

11 minutes ago, shookspeare said:

anyway can we admit now that most of her music is actually unlistenable cuz... she has like 5 major bops and the rest is giving great gowns

I think NME said Overpowered was best for aging clubbers

 

But, I disagree. I've loved a lot of her material that goes way left of center into recent Bjork, Brandi Carlile or Barbara Tucker territory, but she's gone into more than that too. She's never been the all-out bop girl, definitely not Top 40. But again, listening to any of that now will just be awkward for me so I'm moving on. I don't have any of her vinyls and never went to one of her shows so I don't feel like I've wasted any money on past stanning.

[Uncatena]

@Brunette Ambition to your point: trying to seperate the LGBTQ community from the term queer simply won’t work. they’re one and the same. whether or not you agree literally doesn’t matter in the context of this discussion. even if you want to remove the Q from the acronym (which, by the way, is extremely popular amongst right wing gays and TERFs!), the point that Roisin’s behavior is at least inauthentic, calculated and performative and at worst homophobic and transphobic, stands. Claiming Paris is Burning as a big inspiration, calling yourself a drag queen (many drag artist are trans*), taking on the title of “gay icon”… all of that to then spew anti-trans right wing talking points in claim of “but the children!” is nothing but offensive and disappointing, not to mention her using gay men as a shield in her argument and equating TERF to a slur. 

 

Picking apart semantics in this context is literally irrelevant and you’re only showing us who you are. 

[Sugden]

51 minutes ago, Espresso said:

They're referring to including this in the OP itself, not just the title:

 

 

done

[Headlock]

4 hours ago, Alongoria13 said:

It's OK to raise questions about these topics, not sure why the gang hate on her. I support her 100%.

She is not ~raising questions~, she is stating her (untrue, highly uninformed) beliefs, which she literally refers to as “fixed.” She is literally refusing to educate herself, which is what someone actually ~asking questions~ would do because that is the purpose of asking a question: to get an answer that you don’t already know. What she is actually doing is the opposite of raising questions, she is loudly doubling down on a false belief which is not rooted in any medical/scientific consensus, and declaring her position as unchanged, despite countless fans actually trying to educate her over the past day or so.

 

”I’m just asking questions!” is bigots’ get out of jail free card for being deliberately inflammatory and voicing their already concretely-formed beliefs out loud and not having to face the consequences. People who actually are genuinely confused/concerned and want to learn more about topics, like gender-affirming healthcare for children, do not speak this way. They approach situations with awareness of their lack of knowledge, and ask people with actual knowledge (doctors, mental health professionals, parents of trans children, trans people themselves) these questions. And most importantly: these people likely ARE willing to change their beliefs based on what they hear, because that is how normal humans process information when learning about a topic. It doesn’t mean they have to immediately outright agree with everything they are told, because of course there are many nuances to situations like this, but it at least shows genuine curiosity and compassion for the trans community and a willingness to engage. Roisin is showing none of this, and she furthermore has NO excuse because she literally has been in queer circles for DECADES. She should know all of this already.

Edited August 29, 2023 by Headlock

[Cain]

Sidenote but as someone who studied Sociology I can confirm that whether queer applies to the whole community is debated on, as queer is often reclaimed as a political activist title. A lot of queers would not call a rightwing gay man in a homonormative relationship for example queer, as this doesn’t align with the basics of queer theory and its disruptive nature. In a simplified manner queer = LGBTQ+ community, but the word has a lot of historical layers and multiple meanings

 

OT: TERF Parade is getting panned!

[Cain]

4 hours ago, Alongoria13 said:

It's OK to raise questions about these topics, not sure why the gang hate on her. I support her 100%.

But… not a single question was asked ??? 

How come whenever someone just spews conservatism it’s labeled as ‘just asking questions’? Nice cover

[Kern]

1 hour ago, shookspeare said:

anyway can we admit now that most of her music is actually unlistenable cuz... she has like 5 major bops and the rest is giving great gowns

Her music is amazing and Hit Parade was my most anticipated album. That’s why this thing sucks so bad… how could she do it to us 

Edited August 29, 2023 by stupidjock

[MermaidPrincess]

say something jessie 

 

roisin u r trash.

[Veckatimest]

The fact that this is being labelled as merely "asking questions" is getting on my damn nerves though..

 

The problem with liberalism is that it portrays anything that is said as a matter of pure individual choice as opposed to something that reinforces discursive construction. Her intentions are being exalted as innocuous and healthily skeptical, but the truth is that what she says has a very specific political function regardless of her intentions. The seemingly innocuous act of "asking questions" can easily be distorted as a means to a political end, and when it's already been repeated over and over how the way in which these questions are presented in a larger context can easily be used to further disenfranchise trans people, this adherence to the idea that what she said in harmless begins to come off as a bit vindictive and quite ignorant. If she was so damn serious about questioning issues related to trans people, she could delved into the substantial amount of scientific literature that easily debunks the questions she put forth, but her refusal to do this and her choice to instead air these questions on a public platform speaks volumes. Of course, scientific literacy is a skill that isn't typically taught to the general public and takes significant practice to achieve, and I don't expect everyone to come out of the gate 100% educated on issues related to trans people, but at a certain point, willful ignorance when you're presented a pretty clear alternative to something that's already been proven to be harmful is an active choice. Someone who has been adjacent to queer people for years and who had more of an opportunity than much of the general public to educate herself doing this when she does, in fact, have somewhat of a platform isn't the same as some ordinary Joe out in the world without the same platform having basic questions about something which they have been incentivized to not educate themselves on, and putting forth that false equivalency is quite dangerous. 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Veckatimest

[byzantium]

I’ve never heard of this person.

 

But it seems like they are lacking empathy and a desire to understand others.  

[Saint James]

the way she dodged even saying the topic is hilarious 

 

but i do think she’s genuinely sorry for upsetting people. her generation tend to be fixed in their views and she’s made that clear 

[Communion]

3 hours ago, Brunette Ambition said:

Uhm yes it does because not all gays/lesbians or bisexuals are queer. 

Don't be ******* dense jnkjnkjn

 

Queer = Anything not cisgender or heterosexual. Queer = LGBT. 

 

That is why the anti-trans nonsense of people being like "SEPARATE THE LGB FROM THE TQ!!!" is silly virtue signaling trying to *exploit* some people's discomfort from other discourse (like that it's a slur not all reclaim) because... the Q just means LGB(+T) as well?? It's one thing to be like "I don't wanna be called that slur!!! I don't have to reclaim it!!!" but another to let one's hatred of trans people let them lose all sense of etymology and language. 

 

If you're attracted to the gender you identify as, you are queer. 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Communion

[Frozen99]

the way she said she was never in it for the gay but if they were in for the ride ok, if not, f off  and some of her few remaining fans still defending her here  

raising questions where? she literally said "fixed views" and implies she's surrounded by other "informed" transphobes .. i wonder what kind of effect it'll have on her future career.

also, i see many mods here, can you do sth about the @Winged person downvoting so many posts?  

[JessPop]

I don’t see the harm in her opinion and I agree with her as far as believing children shouldn’t be legally allowed to medically transition. Stating common sense is not transphobic.
 

Kids with trans ideations can be affirmed through addressing them by their chosen name and clothing, etc. there’s no need for a 7-8 year old to be on hormone therapy. 

Edited August 30, 2023 by JessPop

[Veckatimest]

17 minutes ago, JessPop said:

I don’t see the harm in her opinion and I agree with her as far as believing children shouldn’t be legally allowed to medically transition. Stating common sense is not transphobic.
 

Kids with trans ideations can be affirmed through addressing them by their chosen name and clothing, etc. there’s no need for a 7-8 year old to be on hormone therapy. 

Hormone therapy is never administered as a part of gender-affirming care to children that young, and even puberty blockers aren't prescribed until early adolescence if at all. When these things are clearly stated in a plethora of medical literature, it's harmful to even suggest that it's not the case; essentially any medical professional would agree that a child of that age cannot offer informed consent. To perpetuate the narratives that these things even happen at all adds fuel to the fire started by people who do not think that children should even be allowed to socially transition at a younger age, so no, it's certainly not "common sense."