celeb news Roisin Murphy admits transphobia in awful statement; Ninja Tune ceases promotion

[Domination]

On one hand, I’m glad she said what she said. There’s a massive culture online of demanding celebrities to apologize for things and then when they do we suddenly love them again despite the fact that y’all know damn well problematic celebrities don’t just change their worldviews overnight.

 

On the other hand, wtf…  It’d be one thing if she said it wasn’t her place to speak because she’s not educated on the matter but she just doubled down and said she doesn’t need her queer audience 

[Otter]

2 hours ago, ChapelHooker said:

the fact that that opened the floodgate for "gender critical" bigots to come into the replies and call every queer person who is calling her out a "man who is enjoying knocking down an upset woman" like.. this is so calculated and cold...

In her defence she literally never intended this to be public discourse beyond the facebook post she was engaging with. Someone in their circle screenshotted and made it a thing. I'm curious how the rest of the discussion panned out...

With a lot of these topics, bowing out of public view is exactly what people ought to do when they're not educated or experts in the field, especially when said view can be hurtful or upsetting. Being famous doesn't make you an activist or champion of anything

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Otter

[TrashMagiq]

2 hours ago, bestfiction said:

Yeah the unwillingness to even challenge her views and look into the subject matter is very upsetting. At the very least she's not going to speak on this anymore so hopefully terfs online won't clinge onto her

They definitely will unless she publicly disavows them (and isn't being vague about it like she's being in her statement), which she probably won't do. 

[Uncatena]

@Winged going through the thread and disliking every post I made, I struck a nerve huh  

 

6 minutes ago, Otter said:

In her defence she literally never intended this to be public discourse beyond the facebook post she was engaging with. Someone in their circle screenshotted and made it a thing. I'm curious how the rest of the discussion panned out...

With a lot of these topics, bowing out of public view is exactly what people ought to do when they're not educated or experts in the field, especially when said view can be hurtful or upsetting. Being famous doesn't make you an activist or champion of anything

 

no, not buying this. if she's not "educated or expert in the field", she should've kept her mouth shut in the first place. not to mention that she herself has aligned herself with the queer community over and over and over, so its not far fetched to expect her to NOT be a bigot. 

[abrantino]

57 minutes ago, uusagii said:

Jessie Ware next (in terms of inevitably saying some dumb **** and getting Róisín'd)

this is so dumb and tragic

[FireFade]

piss-poor statement. crazy thing to get involved in when your album drops in a week and your core audience is the LGBTQ community....  

[Otter]

2 minutes ago, ChapelHooker said:

@Winged going through the thread and disliking every post I made, I struck a nerve huh  

 

no, not buying this. if she's not "educated or expert in the field", she should've kept her mouth shut in the first place. not to mention that she herself has aligned herself with the queer community over and over and over, so its not far fetched to expect her to NOT be a bigot. 

No, this is not what people do. Even without being experts they still have their deductions/consensus from what they've seen/heard, and will engage in their own spaces.

[Fleabag]

The fact she would rather lose her queer fans who have supported her for years than put in some work to educate herself on this issue. She had no problem spewing these beliefs behind closed doors where she thought no one would see them but as soon as they do get aired out she’s claiming she’s not an activist and wants no part in these conversations (which no one would be having about her had she not made those comments in the first place). She’d rather call it a “fixed issue” and insist that the people in her private life are simply more informed in said topic than the tons of fans calling her out (which honestly implies that the people she surrounds herself are also TERFs/transphobic). You don’t get to profit off queer audiences, take up room in our spaces, call yourself a gay icon, and refer to yourself as a drag queen only to pull your support and say you and your art was never for queer people in the first place when the community calls you out on a **** up. It’s just a flat out lie. She very much wants to have her cake and eat it too and wants to have all the perks of being a “gay icon” but without doing any of the hard work, educating, and advocacy that comes with the title in this day and age. I hope her album bombs.

[Otter]

1 minute ago, FireFade said:

piss-poor statement. crazy thing to get involved in when your album drops in a week and your core audience is the LGBTQ community....  

It was her personal facebook account, She didn't think it would go beyond the facebook chat

I am curious to see how this unravels going forward. I don't think she's said enough to loose her core fanbase (30+ gay men), but I'm curious how much tension there will be going forward

[XAMJ]

most people are ignorant on the subject so they agree with whatever right wing headline and talking point is trending about trans people

[sunbathinganimal]

Just now, Fleabag said:

I hope her album bombs.

i mean that was never in question

[Holiest Dreams]

Was just looking through the replies to her tweet and the TERFs are literally already clinging to her in droves omg. Well it’s her own fault 

[Otter]

Just now, Fleabag said:

The fact she would rather lose her queer fans who have supported her for years than put in some work to educate herself on this issue. She had no problem spewing these beliefs behind closed doors where she thought no one would see them but as soon as they do get aired out she’s claiming she’s not an activist and wants no part in these conversations (which no one would be having about her had she not made those comments in the first place). She’d rather call it a “fixed issue” and insist that the people in her private life are simply more informed in said topic than the tons of fans calling her out (which honestly implies that the people she surrounds herself are also TERFs/transphobic). You don’t get to profit off queer audiences, take up room in our spaces, call yourself a gay icon, and refer to yourself as a drag queen only to pull your support and say you and your art was never for queer people in the first place when the community calls you out on a **** up. It’s just a flat out lie. She very much wants to have her cake and eat it too and wants to have all the perks of being a “gay icon” but without doing any of the hard work, educating, and advocacy that comes with the title in this day and age. I hope her album bombs.

I'm sure she doesn't see this as the options, education alone doesn't change people's views on a topic. 

[Fleabag]

2 minutes ago, sunbathinganimal said:

i mean that was never in question

Touché 

[Uncatena]

6 minutes ago, Otter said:

It was her personal facebook account, She didn't think it would go beyond the facebook chat

I am curious to see how this unravels going forward. I don't think she's said enough to loose her core fanbase (30+ gay men), but I'm curious how much tension there will be going forward

but she was literally spewing anti-trans propaganda? it doesn't matter if that was in her "close circle of friends" or not, acting like there couldn't be people in that circle that would be hurt by that as well. 

[Fleabag]

6 minutes ago, Otter said:

I'm sure she doesn't see this as the options, education alone doesn't change people's views on a topic. 

That is literally all her queer fans asked her to do: apologize for spreading misinformation and express willingness to be educated on trans issues going forward. Many people were holding out hope, even in this thread, that this was simply a misunderstanding due to her history with the queer community. They did not ask for a lot 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Fleabag

[Otter]

Just now, ChapelHooker said:

but she was literally spewing anti-trans propaganda? it doesn't matter if that was in her "close circle of friends" or not, acting like there couldn't be people in that circle that would be hurt by that as well. 

I've been conservative in my view of hormone blockers and didn't even know they were legally used until recently (edit: they're not legally used in the UK, only for research)... my last internal reference to discussions on them were some years ago in the news where there was a debate on going...

For you, what is "anti-trans propaganda" is just information she saw/heard somewhere online, the news, from some friend. The potential for people to be hurt by a discussion or view, doesn't mean it can never take place or be held. 

 

[Pop Life]

So she basically just went "I said what I said. Sucks if you didn't like it. No I will not elaborate." 

[RT Air]

She never seemed to be the type who would beg for forgiveness and make the usual fake apology about how she didn’t mean it like that and vows to be a better person, and honestly it would’ve come across as just saving face (and coins) anyway. At the very least she owned up to what she said and admitted those words were her own views which she shared in all conscience. It is the minimum I’d expect from any person with a little dignity, even if I strongly disagree with them. I am disappointed that she does not seem to be open to educate herself on the topic, despite of (semi-)acknowledging that she is uninformed.

 

I will say, however, that I just cannot suddenly pretend her music and art is worthless, despite of what I think of her as a person.

[Mornings]

Oh my god. There’s so much ignorance in this white woman. It’s mind blowing to know the amount of access she has to education, and yet she sits in comfortably in her admitted incompetence. Big Booger Behavior 

[Communion]

15 minutes ago, Otter said:

I've been conservative in my view of hormone blockers and didn't even know they were legally used until recently (edit: they're not legally used in the UK, only for research)... my last internal reference to discussions on them were some years ago in the news where there was a debate on going...

For you, what is "anti-trans propaganda" is just information she saw/heard somewhere online, the news, from some friend. The potential for people to be hurt by a discussion or view, doesn't mean it can never take place or be held. 

 

I don't know why some of you feel the need to play defense for her. Either you agree with her claim 80% of trans people are not actually trans and there's an intentional scheme to "mutilate" cis gay people, or you recognize her as deeply invested in a hate movement. 

[ShouldersSideways]

I think if there's one thing social media has done its remind us these people we uplift as bastions of morality and allyship - for whatever the word is worth now - are fallible and not worthy of worship nor should they be expected to be. 

 

Kill your heroes and all that.

[EmailMySwift]

"Little mixed up kids" was really not the way to word it. Seems to be implying that they're just mentally confused and they'll grow out of it. That's not the way to condemn puberty blockers. 

[gettsleazy]

Regardless of the takeaway, Roisin Murphy was the last person I would expect to be in the middle of this mess.

[Virgos Groove]

This has to be one of the worst celebrity statements I've ever seen. And yet, somehow, I still think it's preferable to some "apology" done through gritted teeth.

 

Instead of continuing to profit from queer people, she lays it out perfectly: she can dish it but, when exposed, doesn't want to "be a part of conversations"; she doesn't care about the very audience that is keeping her career afloat; and she has no intention to educate herself anytime soon.

 

It's disappointing, but at least we can dispose of her as quickly as possible and move on to supporting actual queer artists and proper allies instead.

 

Good bye, Miss Roisin, and don't come back. Let's see how your new audience of boomer Daily Mail commenters will fill up those venues!

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by Virgos Groove