celeb news Roisin Murphy admits transphobia in awful statement; Ninja Tune ceases promotion

[Azealia Banks]

Wow

[Movimento Perpétuo]

Yikes. So ignorant

 

She should drop a feature with Santana

 

[SecretSecret]

16 hours ago, TrashMagiq said:

I agree but saying this while having the woman that's been aggressively transphobic countless of times (called Arca a man, called SOPHIE a man, said Kim Petras had a "ballsack for pussylips", generally made statements about trans women not being real women, and so much more) as your profile pic is wild.

She's an ignorant b**** as well but at least she's talented! 

[twinkpeaks]

[Enrique523]

I swear, people are so dangerously ignorant when to comes to puberty blockers, it's driving me crazy. Can those people do some basic ******* research before openly spouting transphobic propaganda?

 

Forcing young trans kids to stay in bodies they don't identify with is WAY more dangerous than puberty blockers could ever be.

[magicfever]

Apparently she has a show tonight, maybe she will finally say something there - her silence on all this is baffling.

 

I‘m still so confused by all this, i don‘t wanna believe it.

[FreeXone]

Yikes

[fememeist]

Babe get up tenth page on ATRL thread gets the most clapbacks

[Otter]

On 8/23/2023 at 4:41 PM, mons†er said:

it's really crazy how so many of these artists who have profited and become so big off of the queer community can actually feel this way. how do you share bigoted and disgusting views about the people who made your career? 

You guys need to calm down lol

 

You really think its "crazy" that grown adults have concern about the implications of stopping puberty for people aged 9-11, at the whim of the child's request??? 

 

Im sure she's uninformed about the depths of the topic & there's research out there and its complexity in who's to be considered, but it's completely expected for the vast majority of people regardless of whether they support the queer community of not. To me It's actually wild to think the average person supports this without first being convinced by arguments to the contrary 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Otter

[ahauntingnearu]

3 hours ago, Otter said:

You guys need to calm down lol

 

You really think its "crazy" that grown adults have concern about the implications of stopping puberty for people aged 9-11, at the whim of the child's request??? 

 

Im sure she's uninformed about the depths of the topic & there's research out there and its complexity in who's to be considered, but it's completely expected for the vast majority of people regardless of whether they support the queer community of not. To me It's actually wild to think the average person supports this without first being convinced by arguments to the contrary 

 

 

You really woke up and chose "ignorant moron" today, huh

[mons†er]

3 hours ago, Otter said:

You guys need to calm down lol

 

You really think its "crazy" that grown adults have concern about the implications of stopping puberty for people aged 9-11, at the whim of the child's request??? 

 

Im sure she's uninformed about the depths of the topic & there's research out there and its complexity in who's to be considered, but it's completely expected for the vast majority of people regardless of whether they support the queer community of not. To me It's actually wild to think the average person supports this without first being convinced by arguments to the contrary 

 

 

with all disrespect, you are so damn daft and ignorant.

[Infatuation_Junkie]

Was just about to check out her discography. I’ll pass. 

[Vermillion]

This is the only outlet I've seen cover this but it's a rundown of everything:

 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/news-who-roisin-murphy-facebook-terf-controversy-explained-irish-singer-comes-fire-online

[Communion]

4 hours ago, Otter said:

You really think its "crazy" that grown adults have concern about the implications of stopping puberty for people aged 9-11, at the whim of the child's request??? 

Every other post in this thread - 

 

Random User 1: "How can any of you expect the average person off the street to be well informed about niche trans issue and not be swept up by anti-trans propaganda until someone corrects them??"

 

Also Random User 1: *perpetuates far-right, anti-trans propaganda in the exact same post*

 

 

Yes, it's crazy that any cis person can become so enthralled by anti-trans hate that they rebuke modern medical consensus and medical expertise to be certain over things they have no expertise in nor experience with nor interest in finding out more about. 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Communion

[Vermillion]

Writer for a ton of music outlets:

 

[Vermillion]

 

[Otter]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

Every other post in this thread - 

 

Random User 1: "How can any of you expect the average person off the street to be well informed about niche trans issue and not be swept up by anti-trans propaganda until someone corrects them??"

 

Also Random User 1: *perpetuates far-right, anti-trans propaganda in the exact same post*

 

 

Yes, it's crazy that any cis person can become so enthralled by anti-trans hate that they rebuke modern medical consensus and medical expertise to be certain over things they have no expertise in nor experience with nor interest in finding out more about. 

Random user exhibits exact same tendency they're describing to be default amongst the population. Yes, that's why I made the point to begin with lol. I'm sure Rosin's perspective of hormone blockers doesn't reflective her whole attitude towards trans rights 

 

1 hour ago, ahauntingnearu said:

You really woke up and chose "ignorant moron" today, huh

 

1 hour ago, mons†er said:

with all disrespect, you are so damn daft and ignorant.

And these ego's are only going to reinforce your mental struggles with reality.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Otter

[mons†er]

4 minutes ago, Otter said:

And these ego's are only going to reinforce your mental struggles with reality.

no one has an ego except you here. you really think children and kids start transitioning at 9 years old? do you know the process of transitioning? you know nothing about the internal struggle someone may be going through in order to figure out exactly who they are, in a world that constantly tells them who they are and how to be in order to fit in with society. it's willfully ignorant trolls like you that make it incredibly hard for CHILDREN and PEOPLE to be who they are authentically in the world. 

[Otter]

2 minutes ago, mons†er said:

no one has an ego except you here. you really think children and kids start transitioning at 9 years old? do you know the process of transitioning? you know nothing about the internal struggle someone may be going through in order to figure out exactly who they are, in a world that constantly tells them who they are and how to be in order to fit in with society. it's willfully ignorant trolls like you that make it incredibly hard for CHILDREN and PEOPLE to be who they are authentically in the world. 

Denouncing everyone a hate group or troll at the first encounter of friction is not doing what you think it is. People often let their feelings get in the way any meaningful communication or contributions towards a topic and that is ego...

 

Im actually proud that I've had discussions with people in real life and calmed their hysteria around trans related topics. I won't say too much on Rosin only that her skepticism on puberty blockers shouldn't really shock anyone, she's pushing 50+ and her profession is a musician. I'm all for people calling out her ignorance & actually having discussions on puberty blockers , but if anyone see's it  as "crazy" that she'd have this stance questioning young children instigating such significant medical interventions, they're not really grounded with reality. 

 

[Communion]

55 minutes ago, Otter said:

Random user exhibits exact same tendency they're describing to be default amongst the population.

The vast majority of people are fine with gender-affirming care and the vast majority of people, even if not, think that the business of a trans child's healthcare is that of the parent, the child, and the child's doctor - not strangers.

 

Such lack of impact on people's daily lives by trans people just existing is why TERFs have to peddle medical misinformation to try and create a moral panic that (at least in the US) is failing to gain traction. 

 

Which is why it was noted you're trying to pretend these views are commonplace and innocuous while literally repeating and peddling what is fundamentally misinformation in the very same post. Maybe you've just been duped by lies?

 

"OF COURSE any RATIONAL ADULT will question LETTING A 9 YEAR OLD JUST STOP THEIR PUBERTY because they decided to ON A WHIM!!!"

 

"On a whim" = No one is prescribed GnRH agonists on "a whim" with any child having to socially live as the gender they identify as for years to do so.

"Stop their puberty" = Puberty through HRT *IS* puberty! Puberty blockers don't stop puberty. They delay the on-set of natal puberty, with the only possible outcomes either then natal puberty occurring once off them, or puberty is experienced instead through the usage of hormone replacement therapy. 

 

Don't you have like taxes to pay? Rent to make? Impending climate catastrophe not on your mind? You want to pretend the leading endocrinologists of the world have been misled and duped by a pseudo-science only you and a plethora of conspiracy theorists have been able to sniff out?  The views you think are worthy of defense aren't commonplace. They're fringe conspiracy.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Communion

[mons†er]

15 minutes ago, Otter said:

Denouncing everyone a hate group or troll at the first encounter of friction is not doing what you think it is. People often let their feelings get in the way any meaningful communication or contributions towards a topic and that is ego...

 

Im actually proud that I've had discussions with people in real life and calmed their hysteria around trans related topics. I won't say too much on Rosin only that her skepticism on puberty blockers shouldn't really shock anyone, she's pushing 50+ and her profession is a musician. I'm all for people calling out her ignorance & actually having discussions on puberty blockers , but if anyone see's it  as "crazy" that she'd have this stance questioning young children instigating such significant medical interventions, they're not really grounded with reality. 

 

after you put it like that, I totally understand where you're coming from and I apologize for coming so crazy at you. 

 

I just find it very crazy once again that someone who is a supposed to be ally of the LGBTQIA community really has these close minded views. I have to disgaree with the fact that her age makes iyt not right, but reasonable for the way she thinks. I truly believe with all the tools on the internet and the discussions happening, there is truly no reason for these willfully ignorant viewpints or stances. 

[Otter]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

The vast majority of people are fine with gender-affirming care and the vast majority of people, even if not, think that the business of a trans child's healthcare is that of the parent, the child, and the child's doctor - not strangers.

 

Such lack of impact on people's daily lives by trans people just existing is why TERFs have to peddle medical misinformation to try and create a moral panic that (at least in the US) is failing to gain traction. 

 

Which is why it was noted you're trying to pretend these views are commonplace and innocuous while literally repeating and peddling what is fundamentally misinformation in the very same post. Maybe you've just been duped by lies?

 

"OF COURSE any RATIONAL ADULT will question LETTING A 9 YEAR OLD JUST STOP THEIR PUBERTY because they decided to ON A WHIM!!!"

 

"On a whim" = No one is prescribed GnRH agonists on "a whim" with any child having to socially live as the gender they identify as for years to do so.

"Stop their puberty" = Puberty through HRT *IS* puberty! Puberty blockers don't stop puberty. They delay the on-set of natal puberty, with the only possible outcomes either then natal puberty occurring once off them, or puberty is experienced instead through the usage of hormone replacement therapy. 

 

Don't you have like taxes to pay? Rent to make? Impending climate catastrophe not on your mind? You want to pretend the leading endocrinologists of the world have been misled and duped by a pseudo-science only you and a plethora of conspiracy theorists have been able to sniff out?  The views you think are worthy of defense aren't commonplace. They're fringe conspiracy.

Whim was more expressive of the fact that it's coming from the cognition of a child, and they're considered not yet mature enough to make major decisions regarding their life. The latter bit regarding puberty blockers pausing puberty, well thank you for writing all that but it again only reinforces my point lol. Puberty blockers are called just that are referenced as "pausing" puberty in a lot of documentation, the nuance you're referring isn't really changing the picture or concern.

 

Equally here is the literal NHS (UKs national health Service) reference on long term impacts of blockers

 

"Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria."

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

 

I'm making no stance on their actual science, as you say, I mostly fall in line with trusting professionals (but not exclusively, as with most people in society) but it's not crazy that it's considered polarising.

 

Using big pharma as a deflection is definitely leaning in a conspiracy angle  but the wider stance I do not think it's as fringe as you suggest and it's not equal to the post I was responded to

 

"how do you share bigoted and disgusting views about the people who made your career? "

 

Rosin may reveal herself a massive transpobe but I do think forcing everyone into definite boxes so hastily is counterproductive. And for sure most people should mind their business unless it's their child/them it's concerning but thats success of the propaganda. But they're going to have views regardless, again not sure the context of Rosins comment comming to light 

 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Otter

[ahauntingnearu]

@Otter you fool.

[nostalgic]

4 hours ago, Espresso said:

Writer for a ton of music outlets:

 

Wow, how tragic and shocking to find out a 50 year old woman is confused about puberty blockers for *children* and that a Jewish woman supports Israel. Can these morons touch some ******* grass? 

[Gossip_Boy]

Honestly this is really gutting as she’s not just an artist whose music queer people enjoy. She has fully integrated herself into queer culture while actively harbouring such views. So incredibly disappointing.