music news Lorde is confirmed to be working with Jim-E Stack for L4 (no Jack Antonoff)

[Sadie Saxton]

Perched for this next album Ella 

[pitysmith]

30 minutes ago, conquxror said:

Yeah, but Lorde started working on Stoned — according to her email — around 2018, which was when the Melo Tour ended. I have a hard time believing that Lorde would plagiarize any artist in general, but I think it’s funny that people really think she has superpowers or something to plagiarize a song that was not even released when she began writing Stoned at the Nail Salon.

 

And yes, although Lorde has stated that she’s in charge of decisions, she also talked about Jack being great and writing melodies and it’s clear that he used to have a lot of input sometimes, especially since Lorde doesn’t play any instruments and Solar Power is very guitar-based — if I’m not wrong, he wrote the entire hook of “Dominoes” as well, just for some reference. So yeah… It’s very clear (to me at least) that working on 1000 albums at the same time was not a great idea.

 

You want another example? Solar Power and St. Vincent’s At the Holiday Party. Both have similar melodies. Both written in the same year. Both produced by Jack. I mean, if it happened twice…

Absolutely to all this. They're clearly taking a break from each other, regardless of the reasons we think. 

 

Also notice how Annie Clark is producing her own album next. It was a mass exodus. 

[Draper.]

1 hour ago, conquxror said:

Yeah, but Lorde started working on Stoned — according to her email — around 2018, which was when the Melo Tour ended. I have a hard time believing that Lorde would plagiarize any artist in general, but I think it’s funny that people really think she has superpowers or something to plagiarize a song that was not even released when she began writing Stoned at the Nail Salon.

 

And yes, although Lorde has stated that she’s in charge of decisions, she also talked about Jack being great and writing melodies and it’s clear that he used to have a lot of input sometimes, especially since Lorde doesn’t play any instruments and Solar Power is very guitar-based — if I’m not wrong, he wrote the entire hook of “Dominoes” as well, just for some reference. So yeah… It’s very clear (to me at least) that working on 1000 albums at the same time was not a great idea.

 

You want another example? Solar Power and St. Vincent’s At the Holiday Party. Both have similar melodies. Both written in the same year. Both produced by Jack. I mean, if it happened twice…

All of this is true. Somehow St. Vincent, Clairo, Lana and Lorde all decided to be inspired by that 70s sound at the same time and.. for what? Easily some of the weakest records in their careers. 

 

But to be fair, most producers do this. ATRL’s fave Max Martin recycles just as much and he never gets half as dragged in here. 

[GRMusic]

Good one, we don‘t need any more boring Antonoff stuff.

[Wondy Lust]

I still hope we're getting some Dev Hynes x Lorde on the album. 

[State of Grace.]

Yall keep blaming Jack for anything when she was the problem on SP He has his messy moments ofc but he also produced Melodrama? And he just delivered an AOTY contender with Lana that has some of her finest productions, so what now?

 

Anyways, I hope he gives her a Welcome To My Island. Thats one of the best songs of the decade.

[Gyal]

her debut is a massive slay in terms of production, so i'm hoping for a return to that 

 

[Kayseri Mantisi]

41 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Yall keep blaming Jack for anything when she was the problem on SP

There was no problems on SP other than that Lana incident and no one is blaming anyone. Jack's finest production was in Melodrama and he was never able to do something similar since 2017.

[despy]

6 hours ago, Kayseri Mantisi said:

Caroline Polachek (Welcome To My Island / Crude Drawing of an Angel / Door)

Empress Of

oh this will be good...

[Peak Now]

Oh not Jack falling out with Lorde... I just know Lena Dunham is laughing herself to sleep right now

 

Anyway no Jack we cheered

[Katamari]

7 hours ago, conquxror said:

at studio 13 too  damon albarn collab incoming

gorillaz collab you mean

[Starchild]

7 hours ago, Dephira said:

When it's Solar Power 2.0, who will we blame?

 

Funny how they blame him for SP but don’t blame him for melodrama, as if he locked lorde up and told her to record that snooze(it wasn’t that bad of an album but it was both of them that made that decision)

[conquxror]

31 minutes ago, Starchild said:

Funny how they blame him for SP but don’t blame him for melodrama, as if he locked lorde up and told her to record that snooze(it wasn’t that bad of an album but it was both of them that made that decision)

Melodrama had more than Jack as a producer even though he was the leading man. During the making of that album, he was clearly committed to less projects and clearly was able to translate perfectly Lorde’s vision. With Solar Power, he had like 5 other projects happening at the same time and that really showed in the final product — as you can read in this thread, as we were discussing it: recycled melodies, uninspired production… 

 

I’d say Lorde is very much responsible for everything in her projects — Solar Power is Solar Power because of her, Melodrama is Melodrama because of her, but it’s hard to ignore Jack’s production when his sound has become SO damn generic (for lack of a better word) especially in his latest projects. 

[AndresVanDeKamp]

SHUT UP! Solar Power is great. It just is. When this new album comes out and it’s Melodrama 2.0 I hope all of you look back at your posts like fools for thinking delivering THAT is going to age better than pivoting as an artist. Next complaint is that what she’s doing is “reductive” for going back to the electro pop sound. Jack is annoying for bringing that 70s sound to all the girlies but SP is the best of the bunch and will eventually get the flowers it deserves. But be realistic about her journey as an artist. She isn’t going to give you Melodrama again because she’s an ARTIST. Who has the ability to switch up sound at her will. If SHE decides to revert to a sound she’s done previously SHE’S an idiot. Jack can stay far away from this album I hope she delivers a goddamn SKA album for all I care!

[black swan]

absolutely seated for this, hopefully she'll say something in the next mail 

 

[Frozen99]

why would this mean there's no jack? the producer seems to be pretty exciting to be working with ella.

[Beyonnaise]

22 hours ago, WavesOfLust said:

I mean, they used to be very close friends as well as collaborators, but I feel like their friendship never survived the infamous affair rumors of 2017-2018 — she also was not in attendance at his wedding this weekend 

She also sounded quite peeved in her NYT interview when Solar Power came out at the height of the Jack backlash moment in 2021. It was kinda revealing when she said "I know that there are certain hallmarks of what Jack does and some of those things I really love and some of them I don’t like. And I beat them out of the work that we do together."

 

I could see them patching things up in the future but I can definitely see from Ella's perspective why she wanted to distance herself musically (and probably personally.)

 

Regardless I think this is definitely a WIN. The partnership with Jack wasn't able to mold into different sounds as successfully as he has with Taylor and Lana, for whatever reason. I think new collaborators will bring fresh ideas and sounds out of Lorde.

[Kimi]

18 hours ago, State of Grace. said:

He has his messy moments ofc but he also produced Melodrama?

and he clearly peaked with it, he has no creativity left

[Beyonnaise]

I think the entire indie pop girl apparatus could use a break from Jack. I still think he's producing Phoebe and Paramore's next albums though.

[yourfaveisaflop]

We won 

[Kayseri Mantisi]

[EdgeofTeeth]

The production of PH/Melodrama is a huge part of why those albums are so good. They're rich, evocative and interesting albums while still remaining accessible. I think working with Jim-E Stack is a sign that she's probably going back to that so I'm stoked

[TheFireLexus]

18 hours ago, State of Grace. said:

Yall keep blaming Jack for anything when she was the problem on SP

 

16 hours ago, Starchild said:

Funny how they blame him for SP but don’t blame him for melodrama, as if he locked lorde up and told her to record that snooze(it wasn’t that bad of an album but it was both of them that made that decision)

She absolutely is to blame for the quality (or lack thereof) of the music as a whole. She's the performer, songwriter, and co-producer so the buck stops at her table. However, Jack alone is to blame for giving her work that sounds like his productions for other artists.

 

There's no way for Lorde, Lana, or anyone else to know while working with him that he's recycling the same guitar and piano melodies with other people.

 

That said, the problem with the album wasn't the derivative production, it's that the music just wasn't that good. For that, she (and whatever weed she was smoking) will always be to blame.

[Uncatena]

oh, he's great! this is cool.

[Kayseri Mantisi]

17 minutes ago, TheFireLexus said:

 

She absolutely is to blame for the quality (or lack thereof) of the music as a whole. She's the performer, songwriter, and co-producer so the buck stops at her table. However, Jack alone is to blame for giving her work that sounds like his productions for other artists.

 

There's no way for Lorde, Lana, or anyone else to know while working with him that he's recycling the same guitar and piano melodies with other people.

 

That said, the problem with the album wasn't the derivative production, it's that the music just wasn't that good. For that, she (and whatever weed she was smoking) will always be to blame.

The thing is, there wasn't a quality problem or the lack of it on the album. I still think it was the best album Jack worked on from those 100 different albums he worked at the same time.

 

The album had just ONE problem, and it was recycling. And as you said, that was due to Jack.