base talk “Taylor doesn’t bring anything new to the table”. But do most popstars bring?

[Rep2000]

Critics literally coin her writing style as "Swiftian" because of how recognizable and influential it is. She was daring enough to challenge the most iconic Shakespearian literature into her most iconic pop song at 16. To call her "not bringing anything new to the table" is just delusional.

[vale9001]

Taylor is a never seen pop phenomena, the eras tour summarizes perfectly this and this is why became the tour of the 2000s.

 

[leyaris11]

Isn't her transition from country to pop and a sweetheart high school girl next door to a edgy popstar is something new to the table? 

Edited August 14, 2023 by leyaris11

[WEEKND]

This website worships Britney and she certainly doesn’t bring anything new to the table. Doesn’t sing doesn’t dance doesn’t write. 
 

So Taylor with her plethora of talent is more than fine. 

[vuelve88]

Taylor literally impacts global economies.   

[leyaris11]

Just now, WEEKND said:

This website worships Britney and she certainly doesn’t bring anything new to the table. Doesn’t sing doesn’t dance doesn’t write. 
 

So Taylor with her plethora of talent is more than fine. 

1. Britney did bring something new to the table. 

2. Leave her out of this messed. 

[WEEKND]

1 minute ago, leyaris11 said:

1. Britney did bring something new to the table. 

2. Leave her out of this messed. 

Case in point #1

[WEEKND]

1 minute ago, leyaris11 said:

Leave her alone. 

I love Slow 

[Park Jinyoung]

She is the table… 

[AxelFox]

The thing with Taylor swift is not that she does not innovate. Innovation in music has been sparse for the last couple of decades as there's few directions left to go into, especially in mainstream; there's very few who have actually innovated. 

 

It's that her music is never though provoking or challenges the way you listen to a record and makes you broaden your horizons musically. Sure, the music is good for the most part, sometimes even great, but her artistry as a whole is very one dimensional and inoffensive. Not to mention extremely juvenile, with some exceptions here and there.

 

To put it simple, she's just very generic as an artist. Which is not an inherently bad thing as already stated in this thread, but that's what differentiates her from somebody that creates highly conceptualised albums & themes that are executed in unexpected and intriguing ways and overall more creative ideas of what a music record can be. 

 

The most she's ever went out of her comfort zone and tried to challenge herself artistically was Look What You Made Me Do and a couple other tracks on reputation. And she couldn't pull it off, because she's not that type of artist. I don't know how you can listen and watch that video and not cringe in pain, but then again I'm not 15 anymore so to her target audience she was probably 'serving'. 

 

I'll say it again, Taylor swift is great for what she is. But the discourse around her for the last couple of years has revolved around trying to make her seem something she most definitely isn't. 

[Digitalism]

Pop starts just need to make good popular music. Taylar has had many mid but successful albums. There's no need to change the game. That'd enough for her.

And tbh the only that has done good successful music in her whole career is Beyonce. 

[sasashite]

Appearatly being innovative = being oversexualized, performative and presenting over the top visuals

 

And that's cool but since the turn of the millennium, being this type of popstar is just as innovative as being the girl next door

[Wicked]

Music has already hit its ceiling for the most part, especially a genre like Pop music which is a hodge podge of other genres made palatable for the widest audience possible, so... 

[Artist]

1 hour ago, byzantium said:

This whole genre of conversation is tiresome.  
 

It always goes I like [X] artist so they had a big influence on music unlike [Y] artist I do not like.  
 

In reality, every artist that gets frequently talked about on this site has had an outsized influence on music and you just look silly trying to argue otherwise. 

It goes back to the type of fan demographic - some fans, mostly the fans I alluded to, struggle to understand or accept that success doesn't always have to be perfect. Everyone knows Taylor isn't a vocalist or the best performer, but she leans into her strengths which is storytelling and connecting with fans. Most musicians keep an air of mystery but Taylor and Rihanna are the only two who seem like family and fans resonate with that. Even Olivia opening the door to her life during drivers license helped fan see her and create relatability.

 

The reality is, anyone can become famous but what the person does with that fame determines their career and success. Who else but Taylor is doing egg clues or whatever that's called and engaging with fans in different ways?

 

Before any assumes I am a fan, Delicate is the only song by her I listen to.

[Kh-Loud]

She should learn to be a decent singer first. She sounds like crap on Speak Now TV, screeching those high notes like  nails on the chalk board! 

[Marianah Adkins]

She’s really not an innovator or pioneer of anything and that’s fine. She makes good music either way and she has made her mark as the ultimate girl next door figure of music history. 

[Blackout2006]

2 hours ago, WEEKND said:

This website worships Britney and she certainly doesn’t bring anything new to the table. Doesn’t sing doesn’t dance doesn’t write. 

Great, we're happy u finally got a thread to target Britney (in a thread utterly unrelated to her). It must feel exhilarating, right? 🙄

[WEEKND]

42 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said:

Great, we're happy u finally got a thread to target Britney (in a thread utterly unrelated to her). It must feel exhilarating, right? 🙄

Do you have a problem with what was said or does it bother you that it was said about Britney? 
 

think long and hard 

[Blackout2006]

20 hours ago, WEEKND said:

Do you have a problem with what was said or does it bother you that it was said about Britney? 
 

think long and hard 

Expecting me to think long about an obviously false post is funny I do think Taylor has been influential, and at the same time, see your amusing attempt at bringing up Britney in a thread that does not concern her. Thinking you're sleek n' all

[Gladiator]

If you want to find innovation in music, looking to pop music is not the genre for you to be looking for that in.

[Kimbra]

23 hours ago, sasashite said:

Appearatly being innovative = being oversexualized, performative and presenting over the top visuals

 

And that's cool but since the turn of the millennium, being this type of popstar is just as innovative as being the girl next door

Nobody mentioned being sexy. The sl*t shaming is unnecessary. You’re telling on yourself. 

[1989]

On 8/14/2023 at 11:55 AM, slw84 said:

What left is there to bring?

She's made a lane for herself and people will study it in the future.

 

Her female predecessors in popular music brought new stuff to the table.

Aretha

Judy

Barbra

Cher

Diana

Donna

Dolly

Cyndi

Madonna

Gloria Estefan

Whitney

Mariah

Alanis

Shania

Britney

Shakira

Beyonce

Rihanna

Gaga

Billie

 

A whole bunch of women were not listed as every artist does not have to bring something new to the table. At least with Taylor she built a solid foundation for sustainability.

 

In your attempt to list every notable female artist that debuted before Taylor, you listed two that debuted after, so how exactly are they her “predecessors”? 

[Mr. Duff]

This thread again

Taylor may not have brought something new to the table, but she was able to cultivate a following and make them grow. If people can't see it then let them celebrate other popstars' "innovation".

 

And at this point of saturated entertainment industry, everything has been likely done and just being improved on. Better progress on something that's already there and keep developing than try to be "revolutionary" one time then fade into oblivion.

[Welovetrouble]

On 8/14/2023 at 4:48 PM, besaid said:

Most of them brought something new - at least the big ones. Madonna, MJ, Prince, Beyonce, Gaga and even Katy Perry have their own things they have brought. Taylor just feels like rehashed Teenage Dream/Prism stuff mixed with her pop country persona which had been done by female country artists before her. She doesn't bring anything to the table.

Nothing Beyonce, Gaga and Katy has done is original lol

[Kristie Kuwa]

27 minutes ago, Welovetrouble said:

Nothing Beyonce, Gaga and Katy has done is original lol

Beyonce has contributed to 2 big shifts in the industry:

1) Rap-Singing. Like Wyclef Jean said himself, what Bey did on the No No No Remix, which ended up becoming a big hit in the US and defining not only DCs, but in particular Beyonces sound, was unheard of. The fusion of rap-esque staccato delivery and melodic RnB singing was not a thing before Beyonce/DC brought it to the table. She singlehandedly changed the course of RnB music. Trust and believe, there would be no Drake without Beyonce.

 

2) Performance Quality. Beys career started during a time, where people were wither using playback and performed very choreo heavy or where you had singer singers. Artists like Whitney, Mariah, Celine, but also Britney, Jlo, Nsync, Backstreet Boys, etc all flourished. Bey was one of the very first to incorporate both: live vocals and heavy choreo. What happened was that pure lipsynching was actually looked down upon and unless you have the voice of a Whitney, you were expected to do choreo as well.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Kristie Kuwa