base talk Pick one to ban from the Hot 100

[B-Luke]

Radio but if that‘s where the money lies then well..it won‘t go away anytime soon.

[gagacasanova]

Album bombs.

[Machete]

1 hour ago, EtherealCat said:

radio is oppressive and undemocratic 

I cannot say it enough...

[Relampago.]

I don’t know how powerful radio is, but have we had a song that isn’t a genuine hit go to #1 because of radio anytime recently? 

 

Songs like Calm Down becoming hits don’t seem to be as problematic as songs like Trollz, BTS singles and racist anthems being propelled to #1 solely cause of their sales. They’re fake “hits” that plummet after they get their inflated peak and it’s cause of sales, which no one actually uses nowadays. I feel like more people listen to radio than buy songs, so that’s something.

[Sadie Saxton]

Radio & Album bombs 

[worldwide angel]

radio should not be as influential as it is. 

 

i understand ryan's argument but thats more on these labels being stingy and basically exploiting songwriters. 

 

i also didn't acknowledge this argument until dj louie (pop pantheon) brought it up, but album bombs are so

tacky now.  i think a singles chart should just be singles and then have a separate chart for songs regardless 

of whether they're singles or not

 

also i think there needs to be a new way to delegate a song as a single other than just "sending it to radio"
because again, radio is what? 

 

4 hours ago, EtherealCat said:

 oppressive and undemocratic 

period.

[DamianSolo]

I'd definitely decrease the importance of radio. I'd be incredibly interested in seeing how things change from there.

[blueberries]

They should limit album bombs to a maximum of 3 most popular entries

I believe the UK charts do that already

[khalyan]

1. Radio

2. ACR

3. Album bombs

[its_britney_bitch]

The importance of sales should be increased not decreased wtf? Sales are SALES. They should always count much much more than someone mindlessly shoving on a hot hits playlist

[Legend E]

All except for sales. The idea from the UK charts is especially cute. I still voted for the radio as this feels like the most fraudulent.

[its_britney_bitch]

4 hours ago, DeepEnd said:

They need to get rid of sales. 

 

Radio can stay. Radio still reflects what people are listening to, even if it can be payolad. 

You do understand that Lady Gaga would not have been able to get 2 #1s in the past 5 years if they “got rid” of sales right?
 

Like… WHY would Billboard just not count sales, that’s ridiculous to me.

[supaspaz]

Everyone who is so angry about the inclusion of radio seems to forget that these charts were created for the industry as a way to measure what music was actually getting consumed the most. Just because stans have discovered them and how to manipulate them in the past decade doesn’t mean that’s what these charts are for or what they should reflect.

[supaspaz]

3 hours ago, fridayteenage said:

did billboard say the hot 100 is meant to be singles chart?

That’s literally what it was created for. A track couldn’t even chart without a physical single until the late 1990s.

[fridayteenage]

24 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

That’s literally what it was created for. A track couldn’t even chart without a physical single until the late 1990s.

and now neither applies.

 

it's no longer 1958 or 1990

[Punky Rooster]

4 hours ago, Material Girl said:

album bombs should be limited on a chart that’s tracking singles, sort of like how the UK does it 

 

it’s always due to people streaming the entire album, which should just be reflected on the album chart 

This. The singles chart should be for singles, selected by the artist and record company. It makes the chart now totally a different thing than what it was post-2012 or whenever they allowed streaming to count.

Edited August 12, 2023 by Punky Rooster

[Digitalism]

Decrease radio and sales
Radio has never made sense. The spotify numbers almost never correlate

Sales is the reason why we had a lot of the one week at #1 that people aren't listening to 

[blown away]

Let's make the Hot 100 a singles chart again.

[its_britney_bitch]

1 hour ago, supaspaz said:

Everyone who is so angry about the inclusion of radio seems to forget that these charts were created for the industry as a way to measure what music was actually getting consumed the most. Just because stans have discovered them and how to manipulate them in the past decade doesn’t mean that’s what these charts are for or what they should reflect.

Absolutely this, the fact that some of y’all are advocating for actual music SALES not to be counted by Billboard is

[supaspaz]

15 minutes ago, its_britney_bitch said:

Absolutely this, the fact that some of y’all are advocating for actual music SALES not to be counted by Billboard is

That is a huge part of the manipulation, though.

[supaspaz]

1 hour ago, fridayteenage said:

and now neither applies.

 

it's no longer 1958 or 1990

You’re welcome for answering your question.

[its_britney_bitch]

14 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

That is a huge part of the manipulation, though.

One could argue that streaming is just as easily manipulated due to playlisting making or breaking a song’s success.