Bosque Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Style TV is very good the fact that it's the best performing non-vault song, and the best performing song overall on Youtube. The fact that the OG was #16 on global Spotify as well yesterday one of the best songs of all time 1 1 1
GRMusic Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Dephira said: Style TV is very good the fact that it's the best performing non-vault song, and the best performing song overall on Youtube. The fact that the OG was #16 on global Spotify as well yesterday one of the best songs of all time Style is a perfect pop song, but Style TV just isn‘t it. 3 1
Cleanromantic Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Timeless said: This is so funny because you fail to read what I am actually saying to you Speak Now vaults are not the same as 1989 vaults because the Speak Now vaults actually match the energy and sound of the original 2010 album. The 1989 vaults sadly do not, and that is okay! I was just expressing why people had felt disappointed and overly critical because Taylor described these as "insane" so naturally people thought they would be tracks that rival the 1989 original songs and are big pop bangers. Also I literally just said that Midnights is my second fav album which is 90% produced by Jack so your assumption of me is incredibly wrong You are literally doing the same. The 1989 vault matches the energy of the 80s synthpop of several 1989 tracks, which is not all "pop bangers" and Say don't go does not have an 80s sound (it actually sounds like a mixture of I know places and clean) and is it over now mixes the 80s with contemporary instrumentals like the og album and actually sounds like all you had to do was stay and out of the woods, so there goes your argument that the entire vault sounds the same/ doesn't match the og "energy".
Bosque Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, GRMusic said: Style is a perfect pop song, but Style TV just isn‘t it. I truly believe there is no way on earth people would be saying this if Style TV had been released first, and the original version had just been released as a re-recording. 1
Timeless Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, bluebirdsforever said: Well, expecting bonus tracks released a decade later to “rival” the original tracks is inevitably going to set you up for disappointment - especially when said original tracks are among the best pop songs released in the 21st century (and no, I don’t care what Taylor has or hasn’t said - she says a lot of things). The vault tracks aren’t there to replace songs on the original album - they’re there to expand on the album’s themes, give insight into the creative process and Taylor’s state of mind at the time, and reveal how different potential sounds were developed or discarded. The 1989 vault does all of those things, more-so than any vault so far bar maybe Red (which was more grab-bag and less considered). The fact they don’t seem fully in line with the original 16 is the point - they reveal a much more wordy and idiosyncratic version of the album, one much more indebted to the 80s alt pop sounds Jack was playing with elsewhere at the time, than the one we ultimately received. Getting insight into the fact that 1989 was much more messy, downbeat and personal at one point in its development, and that Taylor made a conscious choice to move away from that into huge squeaky-clean radio-friendly “I’m on top of the world and boys don’t phase me anymore” bullet-proof pop territory, is something I would take over more mindless Message In A Bottles (that tell me absolutely nothing about where Taylor Swift was artistically at that point in her life) any day of the week. These are all fair points and I completely understand that. It's just that when Taylor said these vaults were "so insane" it's inevitable that people will have high expectations because she never described any of her other vault songs like that before. Everyone was just so thrown off by the production because the Speak Now and Red Vaults actually sound like the album they belonged in all the way back from 2010 and 2012 respectively and sound like a product of their time. 1989 Vaults seems to be refreshed and modernised with Jack's Midnights production style and do not sound like the 2014 pop bangers we all know and love. You need to understand where a lot of people's disappointments came from.
ATRL Moderator bluebirdsforever Posted October 28, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted October 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Timeless said: Speak Now vaults are not the same as 1989 vaults because the Speak Now vaults actually match the energy and sound of the original 2010 album. I’m actually not sure about this, either. The Speak Now vault is incredibly emotionally and musically neutered compared to pretty much anything on the original album, which strikes me as a conscious (and odd) curation choice. Speak Now was the first ‘Taylor Swift as celebrity’ album where she took no prisoners and didn’t mince words about her targets, so the fact the vault almost entirely borders on borderline-generic lyrically is arguably more out of step with the original album’s conceit than 1989’s vault is. Castles Crumbling is revealing lyrically, but is musically more in line with 2020s Taylor. I Can See You is musically surprising but is lyrically completely anonymous and seems fictionalised - and ironically faced the exact same criticism that the 1989 vault is now receiving (“no way she made this in 2010”). 1 1
Catch22 Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, Timeless said: These are all fair points and I completely understand that. It's just that when Taylor said these vaults were "so insane" it's inevitable that people will have high expectations because she never described any of her other vault songs like that before. Everyone was just so thrown off by the production because the Speak Now and Red Vaults actually sound like the album they belonged in all the way back from 2010 and 2012 respectively and sound like a product of their time. 1989 Vaults seems to be refreshed and modernised with Jack's Midnights production style and do not sound like the 2014 pop bangers we all know and love. You need to understand where a lot of people's disappointments came from. But... they really don't 1 1 1
GRMusic Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dephira said: I truly believe there is no way on earth people would be saying this if Style TV had been released first, and the original version had just been released as a re-recording. The production on the new version just spunds so off and wrong, it can‘t compare to the original version. 1
Timeless Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said: You are literally doing the same. The 1989 vault matches the energy of the 80s synthpop of several 1989 tracks, which is not all "pop bangers" and Say don't go does not have an 80s sound (it actually sounds like a mixture of I know places and clean) and is it over now mixes the 80s with contemporary instrumentals like the og album and actually sounds like all you had to do was stay and out of the woods, so there goes your argument that the entire vault sounds the same/ doesn't match the og "energy". Mmmm, I don't really get All You Had To Do Was Stay energy from Is It Over Now? but Out Of The Woods kinda yeah
Catch22 Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, bluebirdsforever said: I’m actually not sure about this, either. The Speak Now vault is incredibly emotionally and musically neutered compared to pretty much anything on the original album, which strikes me as a conscious (and odd) curation choice. Speak Now was the first ‘Taylor Swift as celebrity’ album where she took no prisoners and didn’t mince words about her targets, so the fact the vault almost entirely borders on borderline-generic lyrically is arguably more out of step with the original album’s conceit than 1989’s vault is. The exception to that musically is I Can See You, which is lyrically completely anonymous and seems fictionalised - and ironically faced the exact same criticism that the 1949 vault is now receiving (“no way she made this in 2010”). We all know what happened with Red TV and Jake Gyllenhaal. I'm 100% sure she didn't want a repeat of that and she chose neutral songs.
electrastan Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Is It Over Now reaaaaally sounds like Labyrinth, I wonder if she wrote Labyrinth around the same time
LiamVillain Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 2 NEW Taylor Swift - "****!" (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 96 NEW Taylor Swift - "****!" (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 95 NEW Taylor Swift - Say Don't Go (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 4 NEW Taylor Swift - Say Don't Go (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 93 NEW Taylor Swift - Style (Taylor's Version) 5 NEW Taylor Swift - Style (Taylor's Version) 90 NEW Taylor Swift - Is It Over Now? (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 6 NEW Taylor Swift - Is It Over Now? (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 101 NEW Taylor Swift - Now That We Don't Talk (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 7 NEW Taylor Swift - Now That We Don't Talk (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 104 NEW Taylor Swift - Blank Space (Taylor's Version) 8 NEW Taylor Swift - Blank Space (Taylor's Version) 112 NEW Taylor Swift - Welcome To New York (Taylor's Version) 10 NEW Taylor Swift - Welcome To New York (Taylor's Version) 114 NEW Taylor Swift - Out Of The Woods (Taylor's Version) 12 NEW Taylor Swift - Out Of The Woods (Taylor's Version) 135 NEW Taylor Swift - Suburban Legends (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 13 NEW Taylor Swift - Suburban Legends (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 191 NEW Taylor Swift - Wildest Dreams (Taylor's Version) 15 +84 Taylor Swift - Wildest Dreams (Taylor's Version) 146 NEW Taylor Swift - All You Had To Do Was Stay (Taylor's Version) 17 NEW Taylor Swift - All You Had To Do Was Stay (Taylor's Version) 41 NEW Taylor Swift - Bad Blood (Taylor's Version) [feat. Kendrick Lamar] 19 NEW Taylor Swift - Bad Blood (Taylor's Version) 184 NEW Taylor Swift - Shake It Off (Taylor's Version) 20 NEW Taylor Swift - Shake It Off (Taylor's Version) 21 NEW Taylor Swift - Clean (Taylor's Version) 199 NEW Taylor Swift - New Romantics (Taylor's Version) 22 NEW Taylor Swift - New Romantics (Taylor's Version) 187 NEW Taylor Swift - I Wish You Would (Taylor's Version) 23 NEW Taylor Swift - I Wish You Would (Taylor's Version) 26 NEW Taylor Swift - This Love (Taylor’s Version) 27 NEW Taylor Swift - How You Get The Girl (Taylor's Version) 28 NEW Taylor Swift - I Know Places (Taylor's Version) 29 NEW Taylor Swift - Wonderland (Taylor's Version) 35 NEW Taylor Swift - You Are In Love (Taylor's Version) Apple Music US
Whore of Babylon Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Why'd you have to lead me on Why'd you have to twist the knife Walk away and leave me bleedin bleedin Why'd you whisper in the dark Just to leave me in the night Now your silence has me screamin screamin
ATRL Moderator bluebirdsforever Posted October 28, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Catch22 said: We all know what happened with Red TV and Jake Gyllenhaal. I'm 100% sure she didn't want a repeat of that and she chose neutral songs. This is what I find most interesting about the Speak Now vault actually, yeah - the curation choices say more about where Taylor is emotionally now than they do then.
Badgalbriel Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, Dephira said: Style TV is very good the fact that it's the best performing non-vault song, and the best performing song overall on Youtube. The fact that the OG was #16 on global Spotify as well yesterday one of the best songs of all time It's actually amazing. I already love it more than the original
Bosque Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, electrastan said: Is It Over Now reaaaaally sounds like Labyrinth, I wonder if she wrote Labyrinth around the same time I wouldn't say they sound alike but they both have an odd/interesting sound effect in the background (the recurring "aaah" in Is It Over Now and the elephant-like sound in Labyrinth). Both smashes though. Blondie needs to put Is It Over Now on TTH. The "did you think I didn't see you, there were flashing lights, at least I had the decency to keep my nights out of sight, only rumours 'bout my hips and thighs, and my whispered sighs" is a classic gold rush-level Taylor rhythm Edited October 28, 2023 by Dephira
Catch22 Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, bluebirdsforever said: This is what I find most interesting about the Speak Now vault actually, yeah - the curation choices say more about where Taylor is emotionally now than they do then. She was definitely more carefree with choosing songs for Fearless TV & Red TV vaults. Wondering what she'll do with reputation TV vault.
Starkboy Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Sl*t sounds like a Midnights/Lover reject. It was so boring Is It Over Now sounds very 1989 on the other hand loved the bridge. Liked Say Don't Go too. The other two were just ok.
ElleDriver Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 I miss Max Martin's pristine vocal production 1 6 1
Gui Blackout Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 It might be Stockholm Syndrome but Style is growing on me 1
Bosque Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Gui Blackout said: It might be Stockholm Syndrome but Style is growing on me Quality always wins
Klein Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Cloröx said: Spotify numbers Share them *****
Badgalbriel Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Cloröx said: Spotify numbers Where
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