album Taylor Swift - '1989 (Taylor's Version)'

[Klein]

2 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

The vault is better than the bolded and on par with Better Man and Timeless. 

I fail to understand how you would be able to like songs like Message in Bottle and The Very First Night (cute songs but they both sound extremely of their time) while denigrating the 1989 Vault. 

I Can See You is very overrated tbh, people just like it because of the rock production but lyrically and melodically it's very fearless, electric touch was never hailed as a fan favorite and Patrick was unnecessary, and while Forever Winter is poignant, it still has a weak melody. You just sound like you want to be outraged for no reason.

Now I like the 1989 vault and I don't want to debate taste because that's all they are, but I can't just read that the 1989 vault is on par with Better Man. Nope nope nope. 

 

For the rest you are welcome to keep debating though. It's not insulting, even if I don't necessarily agree. 

[Klein]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

STOP THE COUNT 

At this point it's more REVEAL THE COUNT cause... 

[Timeless]

7 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

I fail to understand how you would be able to like songs like Message in Bottle and The Very First Night (cute songs but they both sound extremely of their time) while denigrating the 1989 Vault. 

I Can See You is very overrated tbh, people just like it because of the rock production but lyrically and melodically it's very fearless, electric touch was never hailed as a fan favorite and Patrick was unnecessary, and while Forever Winter is poignant, it still has a weak melody. You just sound like you want to be outraged for no reason.

Because, unlike the 1989 vaults, Message In A Bottle and The Very First Night actually *sound* like 2012 Red songs and are better than the other bops on the original album (i.e., Starlight, Girl At Home, Stay Stay Stay). This is what I mean when I say the Red vaults actually outshine the album tracks. 

The 1989 vaults suffer from Midnights-esque production, which isn't really a big deal for me imo because I love Midnights and it's my 2nd fav album, but it is undeniable that they do not outshine Blank Space, Style, Wildest Dreams, Clean, New Romantics. And they also do not sound like a product of its time, unlike the Speak Now vaults and Red vaults which actually sound like they were from 2010 and 2012 respectively. 

Hope you understand where I am coming from 
 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Timeless

[Bosque]

Every 1989 vault track is better than New Romantics

Edited October 28, 2023 by Dephira

[Timeless]

1 minute ago, Dephira said:

Every 1989 vault track is better than New Romantics

Now.......... 

[Thorn]

Hi guys, do you know on which page I can see the playlisting of Taylor's songs on Spotify? I want to see what they are doing with 1989 TV and if they are going strong with Blank Space, Shake It Off and Style to replace the originals.

[Klein]

3 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Every 1989 vault track is better than New Romantics

Hummm 

 

They're better than several tracks from the original album, but NR is not one of them. 

[Komet]

3 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Every 1989 vault track is better than New Romantics

Ou-

 

[Cleanromantic]

12 minutes ago, Timeless said:

Because, unlike the 1989 vaults, Message In A Bottle and The Very First Night actually *sound* like 2012 Red songs and are better than the other bops on the original album (i.e., Starlight, Girl At Home, Stay Stay Stay). This is what I mean when I say the Red vaults actually outshine the album tracks. 

The 1989 vaults suffer from Midnights-esque production, which isn't really a big deal for me imo because I love Midnights and it's my 2nd fav album, but it is undeniable that they do not outshine Blank Space, Style, Wildest Dreams, Clean, New Romantics. And they also do not sound like a product of its time, unlike the Speak Now vaults and Red vaults which actually sound like they were from 2010 and 2012 respectively. 

Hope you understand where I am coming from 
 

1989 was inspired by 80s synthpop and the vault sounds the most like 80s. Midnights had some synthpop influences but it doesn't directly borrow from the 80s like 1989 did (Out Of The Woods, I Wish You Would, Style's driving instrumentals, Shake it Off being a Hey Mickey tribute) The og 1989 mixed the 80s with contemporary 2014 sounds and that's why it's timeless. She leaned into the 80s sound more with the vault and it makes the album sound more complete this time around just as she leaned into rock more with the Speak Now vault because the og had a lot of pop rock influences. None of the og Speak Now tracks were rock, but she made the vault more rock and it made the album sound like her complete vision this time around as well. 

And how are you comparing Message in bottle and The Very first night to the weaker songs on red (Starlight is better than both) while comparing the 1989 vault to the best song on 1989? that just sounds biased as hell. The 1989 vault may not be better than the top 5 on 1989 but it certainly better than the weaker tracks (How You Get The Gitl, Welcome to new york, bad blood). Your logic makes no sense . 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Cleanromantic

[WeFoundWill]

9 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Every 1989 vault track is better than New Romantics

babes…

Edited October 28, 2023 by WeFoundWill

[WeFoundWill]

concept let Jack produce the verses and Max the chorus of a song 

[Komet]

The Baba O'riley-esque synth pad in Is It Platinum Now?  Maybe Anturnoff did something

 

Think I didn't see you, there were flashin lights
At least I had the decency to keep my nights out of sight
Only rumors 'bout my hips and thighs

and my whispered sighs OH LORD

 

[Sailor Moon]

So how is it doing so far compared to midnights/speak now tv? 

[Blade Runner]

I still can't believe how awful this is. Jack needs to go to jail! 

[Bosque]

The glow up she gave Wonderland is crazy. Would be among the best album tracks if This Love didn’t also have an insane glow up 

[Timeless]

8 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

1989 was inspired by 80s synthpop and the vault sounds the most like 80s. Midnights had some synthpop influences but it doesn't directly borrow from the 80s like 1989 did (Out Of The Woods, I Wish You Would, Style's driving instrumentals, Shake it Off being a Hey Mickey tribute) The og 1989 mixed the 80s with contemporary 2014 sounds and that's why it's timeless. She leaned into the 80s sound more with the vault and it makes the album sound more complete this time around just as she leaned into rock more with the Speak Now vault because the og had a lot of pop rock influences. None of the og Speak Now tracks where rock, but she made the vault more rock and it made the album sound like her complete vision this time around as well. 

And how are you comparing Message in bottle and The Very first night to the weeker songs on red (Starlight is better than both) while comparing the 1989 vault to the best song on 1989? that just sounds biased as hell. The 1989 vault may not be better than the top 5 on 1989 but it certainly better than the weaker tracks (How You Get The Gitl, Welcome to new york, bad blood).

1. That's great and I understand the 80s synthpop inspirations behind the album, but that does not negate the fact that none of the vaults songs outshine the album tracks.

2. Only 2 Speak Now vaults were rock and the other 4 were country. The OG album has many rock influences already so the 2 rock vaults matched that the original songs' energy perfectly. Again, the 1989 vaults fails to do that.

3. I compared Message In A Bottle and The Very First Night because you described them as "cute bops" so I compared them to the other "cute bops" in the album that outshines the originals. If we really want to get into it Better Man, Forever Winter, Nothing New, I Bet You Think About Me all outclass original songs like The Lucky One, Treacherous, The Last Time, etc.

Edited October 28, 2023 by Timeless

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, Timeless said:

1. That's great and I understand the 80s synthpop inspirations behind the album, but that does not negate the fact that none of the vaults songs outshine the album tracks.

2. Only 2 Speak Now vaults were rock and the other 4 were country. The OG album has many rock influences already so the 2 rock vaults matched that the original songs' energy perfectly. Again, the 1989 vaults fails to do that.

3. I compared Message In A Bottle and The Very First Night because you described them as "cute bops" so I compared them to the other "cute bops" in the album that outshines the originals. If we really want to get into it Better Man, Forever Winter, Nothing New, I Bet You Think About Me all outclass original songs like The Lucky One, Treacherous, The Last Time, etc.

You're still going. I saw you posting the same thing exactly 24 hours ago

[devonedelrey]

Jack and his ugly synths needs to go

[Lemon]

Slvt still holding down my replay button. 

[Klein]

6 minutes ago, Sailor Moon said:

So how is it doing so far compared to midnights/speak now tv? 

On Apple Music, it's largely outperforming Speak Now and is a bit weaker than Midnights. 

[Timeless]

2 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

You're still going. I saw you posting the same thing exactly 24 hours ago

I'm bored idk 

I'm listening to 1989 TV as we speak so dw yall 

[Cleanromantic]

8 minutes ago, Timeless said:

1. That's great and I understand the 80s synthpop inspirations behind the album, but that does not negeate the fact that none of the vaults songs outshine the album tracks.

2. Only 2 Speak Now vaults were rock and the other 4 were country. The OG album has many rock influences already so the 2 rock vaults matched that the original songs' energy perfectly. Again, the 1989 vaults fails to do that.

3. I compared Message In A Bottle and The Very First Night because you described them as "cute bops" so I compared them to the other "cute bops" in the album that outshines the originals. If we really want to get into it Better Man, Forever Winter, Nothing New, I Bet You Think About Me all outclass original songs like The Lucky One, Treacherous, The Last Time, etc.

I literally just used your own logic to show that the 1989 Vault does in fact outshine several of the bops on 1989. And no, none of the songs you listed outshine Treacherous, in fact, several are weaker than the og tracklist. Again, you just sound biased because if you are fine with the Speak Now vault you should be fine with the 1989 one as well. The nitpicking is crazy, but you're probably one of those people who just hates jack and worships MM, but jack was responsible for the most 80s sounding songs on the OG and so no wonder the vault that was produced by him would have the same influences.

Also, Say don't go does not have an 80s sound and is it over now mixes the 80s with contemporary instrumentals like the og album and actually sounds like all you had to do was stay and out of the woods love, so there goes your argument that the entire vault sounds the same.  

Edited October 28, 2023 by Cleanromantic

[bluebirdsforever]

56 minutes ago, Timeless said:

None of these vaults rival the original tracks, which is exactly the main problem with it. 

Well, expecting bonus tracks released a decade later to “rival” the original tracks is inevitably going to set you up for disappointment - especially when said original tracks are among the best pop songs released in the 21st century (and no, I don’t care what Taylor has or hasn’t said - she says a lot of things).

 

The vault tracks aren’t there to replace songs on the original album - they’re there to expand on the album’s themes, give insight into the creative process and Taylor’s state of mind at the time, and reveal how different potential sounds were developed or discarded. The 1989 vault does all of those things, more-so than any vault so far bar maybe Red (which was more grab-bag and less considered).

The fact they don’t seem fully in line with the original 16 is the point - they reveal a much more wordy and idiosyncratic version of the album, one much more indebted to the 80s alt pop sounds Jack was playing with elsewhere at the time, than the one we ultimately received.
 

Getting insight into the fact that 1989 was much more messy, downbeat and personal at one point in its development, and that Taylor made a conscious choice to move away from that into huge squeaky-clean radio-friendly “I’m on top of the world and boys don’t phase me anymore” bullet-proof pop territory, is something I would take over more mindless Message In A Bottles (that tell me absolutely nothing about where Taylor Swift was artistically at that point in her life) any day of the week.

[Timeless]

Just now, Cleanromantic said:

I literally just used your own logic to show that the 1989 Vault does in fact outshine several of the bops on 1989. And no, none of the songs you listed outshine Treacherous, in fact, several are weaker than the og tracklist. Again, you just sound biased because if you are fine with the Speak Now vault you should be fine with the 1989 one as well. The nitpicking is crazy, but you're probably one of those people who just hates jack and worships MM, but jack was responsible for the most 80s sounding songs on the OG and so no wonder the vault that was produced by him would have the same influences.

This is so funny because you fail to read what I am actually saying to you  

Speak Now vaults are not the same as 1989 vaults because the Speak Now vaults actually match the energy and sound of the original 2010 album. The 1989 vaults sadly do not, and that is okay! I was just expressing why people had felt disappointed and overly critical because Taylor described these as "insane" so naturally people thought they would be tracks that rival the 1989 original songs and are big pop bangers. 

Also I literally just said that Midnights is my second fav album which is 90% produced by Jack so your assumption of me is incredibly wrong 

[Danial]

Stream shake it off!