album Taylor Swift - '1989 (Taylor's Version)'

[TayDuaStan]

3 minutes ago, mael said:

Damn, no MM or Shellback? I wonder what happened? :( 

As another user said, Max is expensive and Scott Borchetta was cheap, so he most likely made Taylor use all the Max sessions on the og 1989. Jack was up and coming back then so Taylor had a lot more sessions with him which most of them were scrapped (until now)

[Timeless]

18 minutes ago, PopA911 said:

These are just the writing credits, love. For all we know, Say Don’t Go might be produced by him. 

Ryan Tedder has songwriting credits on the songs he produced though

[cat1867]

11 minutes ago, mael said:

Damn, no MM or Shellback? I wonder what happened? :( 

Nothing (she released message in the bottle by them back in 2021 ). She just enjoys working with Jack more and considering that she has gotten  4 of her #1s with him, it's working fine.

 

Anyway, MM were expensive back in 2014.   It's likely that any good song they produced was likely included in the original album or deluxe edition. It would make sense to cut the Jack songs back then in favor of MM songs leading there to much more Jack demos for the vault songs.

 

Basically, when she was working with MM, for every song, the intention was to include it on the album. There might have cut some  songs that were duds but anything that was half solid was going to be released somewhere. For Jack, she could afford to play around in the studio and create far more songs than can be included on the album. Leading there to be more unreleased Jack songs than MM. 

 

Also she's working with  Shellback on 1989 TV . If there was an MM song to include, she would have just had him produce it just like he produced Message in the Bottle with MM. Shellback was the one who did most of the actual producing for og 1989. MM was more involved in the writing and managed the vocal production.

Edited October 24, 2023 by cat1867

[Timeless]

7 minutes ago, cat1867 said:

Also she's working with  Shellback on 1989 TV . If there was an MM song to include, she would have just had him produce it just like he produced Message in the Bottle with MM. Shellback was the one who did most of the actual producing for og 1989. MM was more involved in the writing and managed the vocal production.

Idk about that last part because you can clearly tell the difference in quality between the 2012 original versions and the 2021 Taylor's Versions of IKYWT / 22 / WANEGBT. It's clear that Max Martin had a much larger impact on production than you would think. 

[mael]

2 minutes ago, Timeless said:

Idk about that last part because you can clearly tell the difference in quality between the 2012 original versions and the 2021 Taylor's Versions of IKYWT / 22 / WANEGBT. It's clear that Max Martin had a much larger impact on production than you would think. 

Basically. iygiygiifdyd!

 

[bluebirdsforever]

Jack's production contributions to 1989 were near-flawless, so I'm hoping his vault contributions follow suit. 

Let Max Martin go with God.

Also: a Jack-produced vault is best case scenario, I'd much prefer that than Chris Rowe and Shellback attempting a Max Martin cosplay (which has been very hit or miss so far).

[Squall]

28 minutes ago, mael said:

Damn, no MM or Shellback? I wonder what happened? :( 

Max Martin stole credits, not only we don’t care about him not being on the songs but also, what would it change since he didn’t write them?

Edited October 24, 2023 by Squall

[Lemon]

I also don’t think Jack songs on Midnights can be indicative for Jack songs on 1989 TV’s vault ( not that his songs are flawed like people like to prerend ). It is logical to assume they would be more in line with sounds of Out of the Woods and I Wish You Would. 
 

Either way, I think Taylor has got it all set. 

[Magickarp]

Not me opening my phone to see her in the studio with Lena Dunham's ex.

 

Not me coming in here to complain, & then seeing the 1989TV credits, & it's all HACKED

 

NOBODY wants to wake up to what i just did.

[Burqa]

patrik literally cowrote carly rae jepsen's most boring songs it's gonna be a mess on friday

[Magickarp]

"SLŪT!" going from BS2.0 to The Man, just like that.

Max isn't there to censor her cringe lyrics.

 

18 minutes ago, Timeless said:

Idk about that last part because you can clearly tell the difference in quality between the 2012 original versions and the 2021 Taylor's Versions of IKYWT / 22 / WANEGBT. It's clear that Max Martin had a much larger impact on production than you would think. 

They always say this, & that Max stole credits, but can't provide any bit of physical evidence apart from fanmade rumors

[cat1867]

3 minutes ago, Magickarp said:

"SLŪT!" going from BS2.0 to The Man, just like that.

Max isn't there to censor her cringe lyrics.

 

They always say this, & that Max stole credits, but can't provide any bit of physical evidence apart from fanmade rumors

Taylor wasn't even trying to imply that. She was just saying that they wouldn't produce on a self written song like Jack would.

 

They wouldn't steal credits but she could only work on them with songs that were half written.

Edited October 24, 2023 by cat1867

[Life Savers]

4 minutes ago, Magickarp said:

"SLŪT!" going from BS2.0 to The Man, just like that.

Max isn't there to censor her cringe lyrics.

 

They always say this, & that Max stole credits, but can't provide any bit of physical evidence apart from fanmade rumors

Was he asleep for Bad Blood? 

[Burqa]

also no ryan tedder makes no sense  red will always have the best vault because not only it is the one with most songs but there is something for everyone in there

[cat1867]

22 minutes ago, Timeless said:

Idk about that last part because you can clearly tell the difference in quality between the 2012 original versions and the 2021 Taylor's Versions of IKYWT / 22 / WANEGBT. It's clear that Max Martin had a much larger impact on production than you would think. 

For the production, it's really clear in her making a song videos for rep where Shellback is on the machines while MM isn't .

 

I think the instrumentals were fine. The vocal production was what was off on the Red TVs but Shellback has been fine on the 1989 tracks so far.

[bluebirdsforever]

Also, the idea that Max Martin is some perfect God who cancels out Taylor's worst impulses is pretty hilarious considering the last album she made predominately with him is the worst-reviewed album of her career.

The same criticisms that now apply to her creative relationship with Jack ("it's diminishing returns," "they have nothing new to say with each other," "his songs are getting too overproduced") also applied to Max before she dropped him.

 

I fear he's getting nostalgia glasses'd.

[Magickarp]

1 minute ago, Life Savers said:

Was he asleep for Bad Blood? 

asdfghjk drag a bit  i still believe that song was purposefully trying to parody miss Katy's lyricism tho 

[Timeless]

Just now, bluebirdsforever said:

Also, the idea that Max Martin is some perfect God who cancels out Taylor's worst impulses is pretty hilarious considering the last album she made predominately with him is the worst-reviewed album of her career.

I wouldn't use this as an argument because reviewers were incredibly biased against Taylor during the reputation era and purposefully gave her a lower score. Critics only started to respect Taylor once she dropped folklore.

Some publications even came out and said they regretted their review of reputation and admitted they were overly harsh. This one is a good example: https://consequence.net/2022/09/we-were-wrong-consequence-15/

[Klein]

The funniest thing is that the more people are having meltdowns about Jack, the more hit songs and albums he produces. Keep going. A new repeak is coming! 

 

[Solaria]

Jack did OOTW, we’re gonna be more than fine

 

Spoiler

If he robs me of my Suburban Legends banger moment though I’m gonna do something to end up on the national news

 

[bluebirdsforever]

3 minutes ago, Timeless said:

I wouldn't use this as an argument because reviewers were incredibly biased against Taylor during the reputation era and purposefully gave her a lower score. Critics only started to respect Taylor once she dropped folklore.

Some publications even came out and said they regretted their review of reputation and admitted they were overly harsh. This one is a good example: https://consequence.net/2022/09/we-were-wrong-consequence-15/

Some of Reputation's production is still incredibly dated and overblown, though, and those same criticisms still apply

 

The point is that Max is not the infallible magician that he's now being painted as, he's just as capable of enabling Taylor's "cringe" as Jack is

 

[Solaria]

Also I don’t see the problem with Jack working with Taylor again for TS11. Songwriting relationships have historically tend to last for quite some albums, i.e Lennon-McCartney, Janet and Jimmy/Terry, etc.

 

 

[Burqa]

2 hours ago, Saint James said:

Diane is a great writer but she has a lot of duds too. not sure about her and Taylor together.

are people forgetting she wrote Why Did You Do That by lady gaga (awful song). gaga wanted it to be a bad generic pop song on purpose but diane had no idea and she really thought she was writing something good

[Solaria]

1 minute ago, bluebirdsforever said:

Some of Reputation's production is still incredibly dated and overblown, though, and those same criticisms still apply

 

The point is that Max is not the infallible magician that he's now being painted as, he's just as capable of enabling Taylor's "cringe" as Jack is

 

The criticisms do not apply I fear. The music world has an agenda against cunty electropop and I shall not see it prosper any further. Godputation TV will gag their asses 

 

[bluebirdsforever]

Just now, Love Again said:

The criticisms do not apply I fear. The music world has an agenda against cunty electropop and I shall not see it prosper any further. Godputation TV will gag their asses 

 

From your mouth to God's ears sister