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Most successful 8th album: Anti x folklore x Music?

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It’s obviously Folklore and that will be even more clear a week from now when August season starts :giraffe:

 

 

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1 minute ago, Smilers said:

It’s obviously Folklore and that will be even more clear a week from now when August season starts :giraffe:

 

 

Oh they will say it's because of Tour and mass release when during August Folklore gets boost every year

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This is chartmasters from early 2022. Her numbers got inflated beyond comprehension when the intern decided to update them daily :rip:

 

A year later, folklore somehow magically stands at 11M units :clap3:

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Just now, FolkLover1989 said:

Taylor daily streams are literally 30-35% from USA 

where are you getting this 70% from , that was very early in her career not now

lol

Taylor's total units sold is HEAVILY U.S. adjacent like lets be serious :rip:

A breakdown of those 10M units from chartmasters or whoever else would be great to show how the units are compiled. Because while Taylor is undoubtedly huge and a big seller, there's just no explanation for the certifications to be so mismatched with the units sold. Take for instance other female eras from around that period:

 

Dua Lipa Future Nostalgia

 

Australia (ARIA)[277] Gold 35,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[402] Platinum 20,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[403] 2× Diamond 320,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[404] 4× Platinum 320,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[405] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
France (SNEP)[406] 3× Platinum 300,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[407] Gold 100,000‡
Hungary (MAHASZ)[408] Gold 2,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[409] 2× Platinum 100,000‡
Netherlands (NVPI)[410] 2× Platinum 80,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[411] 4× Platinum 60,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[412] 3× Platinum 60,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[413] 4× Platinum 80,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[414] Platinum 15,000^
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[415] 2× Platinum 80,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[273] 2× Platinum 600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[416] Platinum 1,000,000‡

 

Billie Eilish Happier Than Ever

 

Australia (ARIA)[253] Platinum 70,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[254] Gold 7,500‡
Belgium (BEA)[255] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[255] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[256] Diamond 160,000‡
France (SNEP)[257] Platinum 100,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[258] Gold 25,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[259] Platinum+Gold 210,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[260] 2× Platinum 30,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[261] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[262] Gold 20,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[263] Gold 100,000‡
United States —

430,000[note 2]

 

Olivia Rodrigo Sour

 

Australia (ARIA)[252] 2× Platinum 140,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[253] Platinum 15,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[254] 4× Platinum 80,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[255] 3× Platinum 240,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[256] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
France (SNEP)[257] Platinum 100,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[258] Gold 100,000‡
Iceland (FHF)[259] Gold 2,500‡[260]
Italy (FIMI)[261] Platinum 50,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[262] 4× Platinum+Gold 630,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[263] 3× Platinum 45,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[264] 3× Platinum 60,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[265] 3× Platinum 60,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[266] Platinum 15,000^
Singapore (RIAS)[267] Platinum 10,000*
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[268] Platinum 40,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[269] 2× Platinum 600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[270] 4× Platinum 4,000,000‡

 

Even in cases like Billie where places like the U.S. are undercertified, the certs more or less correspond with the era moving units. How on earth Folklore pushed over 10M units worldwide with just two multi-plat certs is not normal at all.

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18 minutes ago, lonnie said:

So Folklore hasn't crossed 5M in a market where Taylor moves over 70% of her units, has only been certified multi-platinum in two countries, but has somehow already crossed 10M worldwide? Like how is that math adding up, where are over 5M units coming from?

 

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2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Taylor's total units sold is HEAVILY U.S. adjacent like lets be serious :rip:

A breakdown of those 10M units from chartmasters or whoever else would be great to show how the units are compiled. Because while Taylor is undoubtedly huge and a big seller, there's just no explanation for the certifications to be so mismatched with the units sold. Take for instance other female eras from around that period:

 

Dua Lipa Future Nostalgia

 

Australia (ARIA)[277] Gold 35,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[402] Platinum 20,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[403] 2× Diamond 320,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[404] 4× Platinum 320,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[405] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
France (SNEP)[406] 3× Platinum 300,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[407] Gold 100,000‡
Hungary (MAHASZ)[408] Gold 2,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[409] 2× Platinum 100,000‡
Netherlands (NVPI)[410] 2× Platinum 80,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[411] 4× Platinum 60,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[412] 3× Platinum 60,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[413] 4× Platinum 80,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[414] Platinum 15,000^
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[415] 2× Platinum 80,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[273] 2× Platinum 600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[416] Platinum 1,000,000‡

 

Billie Eilish Happier Than Ever

 

Australia (ARIA)[253] Platinum 70,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[254] Gold 7,500‡
Belgium (BEA)[255] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[255] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[256] Diamond 160,000‡
France (SNEP)[257] Platinum 100,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[258] Gold 25,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[259] Platinum+Gold 210,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[260] 2× Platinum 30,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[261] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[262] Gold 20,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[263] Gold 100,000‡
United States —

430,000[note 2]

 

Olivia Rodrigo Sour

 

Australia (ARIA)[252] 2× Platinum 140,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[253] Platinum 15,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[254] 4× Platinum 80,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[255] 3× Platinum 240,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[256] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
France (SNEP)[257] Platinum 100,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[258] Gold 100,000‡
Iceland (FHF)[259] Gold 2,500‡[260]
Italy (FIMI)[261] Platinum 50,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[262] 4× Platinum+Gold 630,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[263] 3× Platinum 45,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[264] 3× Platinum 60,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[265] 3× Platinum 60,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[266] Platinum 15,000^
Singapore (RIAS)[267] Platinum 10,000*
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[268] Platinum 40,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[269] 2× Platinum 600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[270] 4× Platinum 4,000,000‡

 

Even in cases like Billie where places like the U.S. are undercertified, the certs more or less correspond with the era moving units. How on earth Folklore pushed over 10M units worldwide with just two multi-plat certs is not normal at all.

Except the countries with automatic certification Taylor team doesn't certify at all and barely does if any

These stats show HTE is bigger than Midnights but it's not in any way

So again you can say whatever you want atp

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3 minutes ago, airplane said:

FjVb6pHXwAANn5u?format=jpg&name=medium

 

This is chartmasters from mid 2022. Her numbers got inflated beyond comprehension when the intern decided to update them daily :rip:

 

A year later, folklore somehow magically stands at 11M+ units :clap3:

So Folklore moved 5M units from mid 2022 to mid 2023? :deadbanana4:

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1 minute ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Except the countries with automatic certification Taylor team doesn't certify at all and barely does if any

Now baby, how does her team have to certify in markets that already certify automatically meaning without anyone asking for the certifications? :deadbanana4:

 

 

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Now baby, how does her team have to certify in markets that already certify automatically meaning without anyone asking for the certifications? :deadbanana4:

 

 

I am saying except those countries 

 

In UK automatic certification happens and Midnights is already 2x and Folklore will be in some weeks :deadbanana4:

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7 minutes ago, lonnie said:

So Folklore moved 5M units from mid 2022 to mid 2023? :deadbanana4:

According to chartmasters, it did. 1989 also went from 22M to nearly 27M from mid 2022- present. I’m struggling to understand where the sales are coming from. This applies to everyone’s sales at chartmasters. The lack of transparency is insane:redface:

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2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Now baby, how does her team have to certify in markets that already certify automatically meaning without anyone asking for the certifications? :deadbanana4:

 

 

The way you didn't quote the part where I pointed out HTE is bigger than Midnights as per certification but no way is that true :heart:

 

Ig I will leave the debate now

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1 minute ago, FolkLover1989 said:

I am saying except those countries 

 

In UK automatic certification happens and Midnights is already 2x and Folklore will be in some weeks :deadbanana4:

Okay, I misunderstood. Sorry about that. But the U.K. is not the only market that automatically certifies. Midnights already has more multi-platinum certifications for instance (which correspond to its units sold) than Folklore despite Folklore allegedly moving double the units. Do you understand why I'm questioning the numbers. Like of course Taylor is a huge seller and the best selling artist right now by far, but those stats for Folklore are beyond fishy.

 

3 minutes ago, airplane said:

According to chartmasters, it did. 1989 also went from 22M to nearly 27M from mid 2022- present. I’m struggling to understand where the sales are coming from :redface:

If they gave a breakdown of these units the same way they used to give with their pure sales then it would make them more credible. Like based off this Taylor sold 10M units from only two old albums in one year alone. How does any of that make sense?

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Music.

This song alone

 

 

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5 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

The way you didn't quote the part where I pointed out HTE is bigger than Midnights as per certification but no way is that true :heart:

This is not true lol

Taylor Midnights

Australia (ARIA)[333] Platinum 70,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[334] Gold 15,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[335] Gold 10,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[336] 2× Platinum 160,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[337] Platinum 20,000‡
France (SNEP)[338] Gold 50,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[339] Gold 100,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[340] Platinum 50,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[341] 3× Platinum 45,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[342] Gold 10,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[343] Platinum 20,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[344] Platinum 40,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[345] 2× Platinum 600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[346] 2× Platinum 2,454,000[note 14]

 

Billie Eilish Happier Than Ever

 

Australia (ARIA)[253] Platinum 70,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[254] Gold 7,500‡
Belgium (BEA)[255] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[255] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[256] Diamond 160,000‡
France (SNEP)[257] Platinum 100,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[258] Gold 25,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[259] Platinum+Gold 210,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[260] 2× Platinum 30,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[261] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[262] Gold 20,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[263] Gold 100,000‡

 

Midnights: 5plat certs + 4multi-plat certs

HTE: 2plat certs + 5multi-plat certs

 

Interesting how Midnights already has multi-plat certifications in markets where Folklore still doesn't despite Taylor's team allegedly not certifying her albums and with Folklore selling double?

 

10 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Ig I will leave the debate now

Of course lol

 

 

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19 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Taylor's total units sold is HEAVILY U.S. adjacent like lets be serious :rip:

A breakdown of those 10M units from chartmasters or whoever else would be great to show how the units are compiled. Because while Taylor is undoubtedly huge and a big seller, there's just no explanation for the certifications to be so mismatched with the units sold. Take for instance other female eras from around that period:

 

Dua Lipa Future Nostalgia

 

Australia (ARIA)[277] Gold 35,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[402] Platinum 20,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[403] 2× Diamond 320,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[404] 4× Platinum 320,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[405] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
France (SNEP)[406] 3× Platinum 300,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[407] Gold 100,000‡
Hungary (MAHASZ)[408] Gold 2,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[409] 2× Platinum 100,000‡
Netherlands (NVPI)[410] 2× Platinum 80,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[411] 4× Platinum 60,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[412] 3× Platinum 60,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[413] 4× Platinum 80,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[414] Platinum 15,000^
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[415] 2× Platinum 80,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[273] 2× Platinum 600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[416] Platinum 1,000,000‡

 

Billie Eilish Happier Than Ever

 

Australia (ARIA)[253] Platinum 70,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[254] Gold 7,500‡
Belgium (BEA)[255] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[255] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[256] Diamond 160,000‡
France (SNEP)[257] Platinum 100,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[258] Gold 25,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[259] Platinum+Gold 210,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[260] 2× Platinum 30,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[261] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[262] Gold 20,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[263] Gold 100,000‡
United States —

430,000[note 2]

 

Olivia Rodrigo Sour

 

Australia (ARIA)[252] 2× Platinum 140,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[253] Platinum 15,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[254] 4× Platinum 80,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[255] 3× Platinum 240,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[256] 2× Platinum 40,000‡
France (SNEP)[257] Platinum 100,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[258] Gold 100,000‡
Iceland (FHF)[259] Gold 2,500‡[260]
Italy (FIMI)[261] Platinum 50,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[262] 4× Platinum+Gold 630,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[263] 3× Platinum 45,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[264] 3× Platinum 60,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[265] 3× Platinum 60,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[266] Platinum 15,000^
Singapore (RIAS)[267] Platinum 10,000*
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[268] Platinum 40,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[269] 2× Platinum 600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[270] 4× Platinum 4,000,000‡

 

Even in cases like Billie where places like the U.S. are undercertified, the certs more or less correspond with the era moving units. How on earth Folklore pushed over 10M units worldwide with just two multi-plat certs is not normal at all.

Because Taylor is very popular in places where certifications don't exist and her certifications aren't updated anyway. Artists that are popular in mainland Europe get a lot of certifications because of the number of countries with certs there and that has always been Taylor weakest market relatively.

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26 minutes ago, airplane said:

FjVb6pHXwAANn5u?format=jpg&name=medium

 

This is chartmasters from early 2022. Her numbers got inflated beyond comprehension when the intern decided to update them daily :rip:

 

A year later, folklore somehow magically stands at 11M units :clap3:

That's just her streaming units and mostly Spotify which are public :bibliahh:

Her numbers are not "inflated" it just reflects how crazy it is to get the amount of streams she has since Midnights release

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20 minutes ago, lonnie said:

So Folklore moved 5M units from mid 2022 to mid 2023? :deadbanana4:

Insane! And some Swifties try to be objective, so why aren't they questioning this. Unless cm was not updating Taylor's sales, which I doubt is true 

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10 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Okay, I misunderstood. Sorry about 

If they gave a breakdown of these units the same way they used to give with their pure sales then it would make them more credible. Like based off this Taylor sold 10M units from only two old albums in one year alone. How does any of that make sense?

They are based on streaming. It's mostly Spotify which are public. There's nothing "fishy" about it. It's just thta Folklore is still doing almost 9M+ streams daily on Spotify alone right now and that translates to a lot of units globally.

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2 minutes ago, politeone said:

Insane! And some Swifties try to be objective, so why aren't they questioning this. Unless cm was not updating Taylor's sales, which I doubt is true 

Taylor sales were not updated in 2022 before Midnights. The last update before that is Red TV release in 2021.

 

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2 minutes ago, Axelios said:

That's just her streaming units and mostly Spotify which are public :bibliahh:

Her numbers are not "inflated" it just reflects how crazy it is to get the amount of streams she has since Midnights release

Her streams are crazy but not crazy enough to be moving 5-7M album units per album in a year, especially when it doesn’t coincide with her worldwide certifications.

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5 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Because Taylor is very popular in places where certifications don't exist and her certifications aren't updated anyway. Artists that are popular in mainland Europe get a lot of certifications because of the number of countries with certs there and that has always been Taylor weakest market relatively.

Europe, Latin America, and North America still has the most Spotify and AM music users by FAR. So I'd love to see the streaming numbers and sources from these markets that lack the tracking companies. What's being asked for is credible sources where y'all are pulling these numbers from, nothing else. 

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Her streams are crazy but not crazy enough to be moving 5-7M album units per album in a year, especially when it doesn’t coincide with her worldwide certifications.

She didn't move 5M/7M per album in a year given that her catalog wasn't updated by CM in mid 2022.

The automatic updates for streams were only added recently.

You can try and check the formula yourself and you'll find that these are most just Spotify streams.

In Folklore case there was the vinyl release for the live version in 2023.

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5 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Europe, Latin America, and North America still has the most Spotify and AM music users by FAR. So I'd love to see the streaming numbers and sources from these markets that lack the tracking companies. What's being asked for is credible sources where y'all are pulling these numbers from, nothing else. 

What's the point exactly?

We know how much streams Taylor and Folklore are getting globally. CM is just translating that into sps units like they do for all artists.

Certifications are meaningless in countries where they are not automatic. Even in the US Taylor albums are very undercertified.

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37 minutes ago, airplane said:

FjVb6pHXwAANn5u?format=jpg&name=medium

 

This is chartmasters from early 2022. Her numbers got inflated beyond comprehension when the intern decided to update them daily :rip:

 

A year later, folklore somehow magically stands at 11M units :clap3:

Update them daily for everyone based on the albums daily streams*. 

So if Rihanna's daily streams aren't that good compared to Taylor's that's not a Chartmasters issue. 

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