poll Most successful 8th album: Anti x folklore x Music?

[istan4badgalriri]

22 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Yes it's actually:

Lover > Folklore = Reputation > Anti.

Lover has more Spotify streams than Anti and is still gaining about 8 million more daily, it was also the best selling album of 2019. It's not really close really

 

global certified sales

ANTI - 7,375m

Reputation - 4,360m

Lover - 3,685m

Folklore - 2,518m

 

looks more like Anti >>> Reputation > Lover > Folklore

[Blackout2006]

37 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Yes it's actually:

Lover > Folklore = Reputation > Anti.

Lover has more Spotify streams than Anti and is still gaining about 8 million more daily, it was also the best selling album of 2019. It's not really close really

 

The more active artist releasing 3928 albums and recordings per second to remind people of her existence in music gathering more Spotify streams than the artist who forgot she makes music, on a regular basis!? Ain't no wayyy

[Blackout2006]

16 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

global certified sales

ANTI - 7,375m

Reputation - 4,360m

Lover - 3,685m

Folklore - 2,518m

 

looks more like Anti >>> Reputation > Lover > Folklore

Ddddd

[Axelios]

22 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said:

The more active artist releasing 3928 albums and recordings per second to remind people of her existence in music gathering more Spotify streams than the artist who forgot she makes music, on a regular basis!? Ain't no wayyy

Rihanna wasn't more successful than Taylor when she was releasing more albums more frequently.

Also releasing more albums hurt the individual performance of these albums by dilluting the fans streams among more material. Drake declined after releasing two albums a year. Anti would likely had less longevity if Rihanna released more albums after it.

[Axelios]

52 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

global certified sales

ANTI - 7,375m

Reputation - 4,360m

Lover - 3,685m

Folklore - 2,518m

 

looks more like Anti >>> Reputation > Lover > Folklore

Noone cares about certifications given that they are not automatic and not global and not even equivalent between countries.

Even in the US Taylor albums are heavily undercertified.

Edited July 31, 2023 by Axelios

[Blackout2006]

8 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Rihanna wasn't more successful than Taylor when she was releasing more albums more frequently.

Also releasing more albums hurt the individual performance of these albums by dilluting the fans streams among more material. Drake declined after releasing two albums a year. Anti would likely had less longevity if Rihanna released more albums after it.

She took her first hiatus after Unapologetic and that album charted stably for around a year and it fell after that, making spotty appearances since then. It's last significant appearance on the BB200 was in 2014, which was around 2 years before ANTi came out.  For that same period of time, ANTi was charting consistently in the BB200 between 2016-2018 so idk why we are still using this point.

[Blackout2006]

18 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Noone cares about certofications given that they are not automatic and not global.

Vice-versa for the ChartMastersus SPS stuff y'all keep bringing to the table 

[Axelios]

2 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said:

Vice-versa for the ChartMastersus SPS stuff y'all keep bringing to the table 

Public streaming numbers + pure sales are all we need to use to conclude that Taylor albums are bigger.

[Blackout2006]

59 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Public streaming numbers + pure sales are all we need to use to conclude that Taylor albums are bigger.

They are both huge in different fields though. Rihanna is more of a singles artist, while Taylor is an albums artist. Despite that, Rihanna's last album is still performing well and is holding up to any of Taylor's last few studio albums. That tells me all that I need to know. 

[Phaunzie]

Anti, Music was successful but not that successful. Taylor who, I  haven't read folklore yet however I have heard it is a really good book.

[Axelios]

1 hour ago, Blackout2006 said:

They are both huge in different fields though. Rihanna is more of a singles artist, while Taylor is an albums artist. Despite that, Rihanna's last album is still performing well and is holding up to any of Taylor's last few studio albums. That tells me all that I need to know. 

Taylor last few studio albums and especially Midnights are still bigger aside from Evermore.

And it's not like Rihanna singles success doesn't count towards her album sps.

[Raspberries]

3 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

global certified sales

ANTI - 7,375m

Reputation - 4,360m

Lover - 3,685m

Folklore - 2,518m

 

looks more like Anti >>> Reputation > Lover > Folklore

You'll never learn, will you?

 

 

 

Lover is nearing 5.5M in the US alone. ANTI and Lover have moved the same amount of units since release. ANTI's 6X cert just includes the one million FREE copies that were given away by Samsung  

Edited July 31, 2023 by Raspberries

[Raspberries]

2 hours ago, Blackout2006 said:

She took her first hiatus after Unapologetic and that album charted stably for around a year and it fell after that, making spotty appearances since then. It's last significant appearance on the BB200 was in 2014, which was around 2 years before ANTi came out.  For that same period of time, ANTi was charting consistently in the BB200 between 2016-2018 so idk why we are still using this point.

Around a year as if that's supposed to be impressive

 

I guess for Rihanna a 50-ish week charting album may be impressive. Maybe Swifties just have higher standards when it comes to chart longevity. 

[Blackout2006]

4 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Around a year as if that's supposed to be impressive

 

I guess for Rihanna a 50-ish week charting album may be impressive. Maybe Swifties just have higher standards when it comes to chart longevity. 

Did I ever insinuate, if not say that?

 

[idkwiam]

3 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

global certified sales

ANTI - 7,375m

Reputation - 4,360m

Lover - 3,685m

Folklore - 2,518m

 

looks more like Anti >>> Reputation > Lover > Folklore

So the numbers reported from Roc Nation about Anti having 12m units were inflated and fake?

 

[Blackout2006]

 

23 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Taylor last few studio albums and especially Midnights are still bigger aside from Evermore.

And it's not like Rihanna singles success doesn't count towards her album sps.

Yes....Since she is an albums artist. I literally said that 2 posts ago  In album sales she is bigger, but I thought the entire point of this thread was discussing the eras. 

 

[Mystic Boy]

1 hour ago, Phaunzie said:

Anti, Music was successful but not that successful.

Neither was Anti which was pretty local, it was huge in the US but underperformed WW compared to her previous albums

 

MUSIC wins

[Phaunzie]

4 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said:

Neither was Anti which was pretty local, it was huge in the US but underperformed WW compared to her previous albums

 

MUSIC wins

Anti was international and global with a longevity to boot. I am sorry but where did you get the idea, that Anti was not anything other than worldwide and far-reaching. It literally sold more globally than it did in America. Literally it is the 4th longest charting album by a female artist on Billboard.

[Kill Me]

22 minutes ago, Phaunzie said:

Anti was international and global with a longevity to boot. I am sorry but where did you get the idea, that Anti was not anything other than worldwide and far-reaching. It literally sold more globally than it did in America.

Anti peaked at #7 in the UK, the second biggest international market . Aside from the US and Canada, it reached #1 in only one other country, Norway. 

[Raspberries]

32 minutes ago, Phaunzie said:

Anti was international and global with a longevity to boot. I am sorry but where did you get the idea, that Anti was not anything other than worldwide and far-reaching. It literally sold more globally than it did in America. Literally it is the 4th longest charting album by a female artist on Billboard.

 

On 7/28/2023 at 4:57 PM, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 32 weeks , and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 66 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

[Raspberries]

1 hour ago, Blackout2006 said:

Did I ever insinuate, if not say that?

 

Then why bring it up  Let's not act like Rihanna was MIA during her pre-ANTI "hiatus" either. She released multiple singles during that time period 

Edited July 31, 2023 by Raspberries

[Blackout2006]

1 minute ago, Raspberries said:

Then why bring it up  

I'm comparing the performance of Unapologetic and ANTI's during these two hiatuses to show ANTi is still performing well within the same period Unapologetic left the BB200

[Steve Johnson]

These meltdowns won't change the fact that folklore is the most successful one. 

[VioletsandRoses]

1 hour ago, Mystic Boy said:

Neither was Anti which was pretty local, it was huge in the US but underperformed WW compared to her previous albums

 

MUSIC wins

The year ends are tragic for markets that used to support her. 
#32 in the UK 

#41 in France 

#75 in Germany 

 

Was not expecting 27 pages when the answer is music. A global album. 20 years into her career. Folklore is second. Anti third. It just crossed 10m units after 7 years while Folklore did it in 3 years. People using hits to determine which album is bigger makes no sense. The topic is bigger album not bigger single 

[VioletsandRoses]

55 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said:

I'm comparing the performance of Unapologetic and ANTI's during these two hiatuses to show ANTi is still performing well within the same period Unapologetic left the BB200

Anti was released in the streaming era. All you need is one or two big hits and you can chart forever. If we’re talking about the actual sales chart then it charted for 65 weeks. Which is on par with unapologetic’s 59 weeks.  Billboard in 2012 was pure sales only. So once your album stops selling it stops charting.