poll Most successful 8th album: Anti x folklore x Music?

[airplane]

Just now, Axelios said:

It doesn't really matter. The public number we have for the pure sales + Spotify + Youtube + digital singles are enough to conclude that Folklore > Anti.

It’s the fact that Spotify+ Youtube+ digital singles have ANTI on top 

 

[The Music Industry]

Just now, airplane said:

Speak Now TV is still a frontloaded bomb.

The "frontloaded bomb" in question (a re-recording of a 2010 country album) has spent almost the same amount of time at #1 than Rihanna's entire album discography combined. This might not be your best drag. 

[WildHeart]

59 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 8 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 16 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

 

6 minutes ago, Feanor said:

In what way was it a bigger moment than 'folklore'?

 

Chartswise other people have already brought up how 'folklore' has had a better chart performance than 'ANTI'.

 

In terms of what 'ANTI' did for Rihanna's catalog as a whole, its impact was also negligible, as several artists were bigger than Rihanna in 2016, whereas only BTS outdid Taylor during the year of 'folklore'.

 

 

 

In terms of critical acclaim, 'ANTI' was rather panned upon release. and 'folklore' hailed as a universally acclaimed masterpiece. You can look at their Meteoritic scores for that. And even when critics evaluated the best albums of the year later-on, 'ANTI' only made it to #19 on its year-end critic aggregates whereas 'folklore' made it all the way to #4.

 

In terms of Grammys, Rihanna famously went 0/8 in 2017, meanwhile 'folklore' won the industry's highest & most prestigious award in 2021.

 

And while Taylor didn't get to tour 'folklore' for obvious reasons, it's not far fetched to assume that a dedicated 'folklore Tour' would've done much better than the 'ANTI World Tour' with its unsold-out arenas in the US and stadiums in Europe looking like this:

 

 

 

'ANTI' admittedly has had nice longevity and no one can take that away from it. But in no way was it a bigger moment than 'folklore', not commercially, critically, awards-wise or touring-wise.

 

5 minutes ago, By the Water said:

The only reason Rihanna's albums can't be considered frontloaded is because of her laughable first week sales. Let's take a look on how Taylor's "frontloaded bombs" stack against this longevity navys seem to think Rihanna's albums have.

 

Weeks on chart:

1989 - 449*

Anti - 377*

Taylor Swift - 279*

Fearless - 261

reputation - 252*

Lover - 204*

Speak Now - 189*

Red - 185

folklore - 156*

evermore - 136*

Good Girl Gone Bad - 113

Fearless (Taylor's Version) - 106*

Red (Taylor's Version) - 88*

Loud - 78

Unapologetic - 77

Talk That Talk - 57

Rated R - 45

A Girl Like Me - 45

Midnights - 39

Music Of The Sun - 35

Speak Now (Taylor's Version) - 2*

 

The skull dragging oh my 

[By the Water]

4 minutes ago, airplane said:

Please breakdown folklore’s 11M chartmasters units and you win. In the meantime, 

 

Didn't Rihanna's label claim Anti sold 11M like last year? Would you mind breaking down those numbers? Or are we just assuming they were heavily inflating her sales?

 

[Axelios]

5 minutes ago, airplane said:

Speak Now TV is still a frontloaded bomb.

If Taylor rerecordings are frontloaded bombs how should we call Loud Unapologetic Talk That Talk, Rated R, A Girl Like Me and Music Of The Sun who will have less weeks on the charts

i guess Rihanna career is really that pathetic in comparison 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Axelios

[airplane]

1 minute ago, Klein said:

I already did: 

It's based on the numbers we have access to. From these partial numbers, folklore is missing 2.6M from the 10.8M units chartmasters have. Considering Youtube + Spotify = 4M units, 2.6M from all other streaming services is a perfectly decent estimation. 

I find it very hard to believe 2.6M units can magically appear from Apple Music or Amazon

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

It’s the fact that Spotify+ Youtube+ digital singles have ANTI on top 

 

I guess you have to ignore pure sales now 

[By the Water]

4 minutes ago, airplane said:

Speak Now TV is still a frontloaded bomb.

Y'all said the same thing about Lover back in 2019 and look at where we are now

 

[naval23]

The Music and Anti votes being split mess

 

Music 

[istan4badgalriri]

3 minutes ago, By the Water said:

The only reason Rihanna's albums can't be considered frontloaded is because of her laughable first week sales. Let's take a look on how Taylor's "frontloaded bombs" stack against this longevity navys seem to think Rihanna's albums have.

 

Weeks on chart:

1989 - 449*

Anti - 377*

Taylor Swift - 279*

Fearless - 261

reputation - 252*

Lover - 204*

Speak Now - 189*

Red - 185

folklore - 156*

evermore - 136*

Good Girl Gone Bad - 113

Fearless (Taylor's Version) - 106*

Red (Taylor's Version) - 88*

Loud - 78

Unapologetic - 77

Talk That Talk - 57

Rated R - 45

A Girl Like Me - 45

Midnights - 39*

Music Of The Sun - 35

Speak Now (Taylor's Version) - 2*

 

well. pretty sure it's easier to sell albums in America when somebody white makes the safest least inoffensive music for white folks

 

 

[Axelios]

I honestly can't wait for Rihanna to release her next album so the delusions her fanbase created about her commercial success will finally be shattered.

[Klein]

2 minutes ago, airplane said:

I find it very hard to believe 2.6M units can magically appear from Apple Music or Amazon

https://www.businessofapps.com/data/music-streaming-market/#:~:text=In terms of usage%2C YouTube,paid users total 381 million.

 

Spotify + Youtube "only" make 46% of total subscribers to streaming services. Granted Spotify is Taylor's strongest platform, if she moves 4M units from 46% of subscribers, 2.6M units from the remaining 54% is really not surprising. 

[airplane]

8 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

The "frontloaded bomb" in question (a re-recording of a 2010 country album) has spent almost the same amount of time at #1 than Rihanna's entire album discography combined. This might not be your best drag. 

The album opened with 700K units and dropped 80% in week 2 and keeps dropping. That may be above Rihanna but it’s still frontloaded. Hope that helps

 

7 minutes ago, Axelios said:

i guess Rihanna career is really that pathetic in comparison 

Rihanna was never an amazing album seller in the US because 65-70% of her album sales came from outside the country, a concept which was foreign to Taylor until very recently, when she started making noise in regions which Rihanna had conquered by 2010.

Edited July 28, 2023 by airplane

[Klein]

1 minute ago, istan4badgalriri said:

well. pretty sure it's easier to sell albums in America when somebody white makes the safest least inoffensive music for white folks

 

 

23 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

is this the moment you guys go off topic bc y'all ran out of arguments ?

 

[Hunter_13]

1 hour ago, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 8 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 16 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

End that rat 

[Axelios]

Just now, airplane said:

The album opened with 700K units and dropped 80% in week 2 and keeps dropping. That may be above Rihanna but it’s still frontloaded. Hope that helps

It's hard to drop 80% when noone cares about your albums even on the first week 

[airplane]

5 minutes ago, By the Water said:

Didn't Rihanna's label claim Anti sold 11M like last year? Would you mind breaking down those numbers?

 

I do not believe those numbers 

[By the Water]

1 minute ago, istan4badgalriri said:

well. pretty sure it's easier to sell albums in America when somebody white makes the safest least inoffensive music for white folks

 

 

As opposed to making music that appeals to European folks?

 

[Devin]

All strong projects, ANTI tho >>>

[airplane]

6 minutes ago, Axelios said:

I honestly can't wait for Rihanna to release her next album so the delusions her fanbase created about her commercial success will finally be shattered.

Rihanna remains commercially successful and she did that without needing to re-record her albums to boost those sales or manipulating charts in the process (39 cent singles, 60 ways to buy an album etcetc)

 

4 minutes ago, Axelios said:

It's hard to drop 80% when noone cares about your albums even on the first week 

It’s more funnier when the majority only care in the first two weeks and then forget about it. It’s the same case for Taylor’s singles, which is why she was scrambling to pump ANTI hero with remixes every week because she cannot score a stable #1 without constantly pushing it.

 

Remember willow recording the biggest fall from hot 100 in history? Frontloaded.

 

Remember reputation dropping 78% in sales in week 2? Again, frontloaded. She just got lucky with tiktok and the scooter fiasco because after 2017, her career was on a downward trajectory.

Edited July 28, 2023 by airplane

[PoisonedIvy]

1 hour ago, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 8 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 16 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

Good god almighty 

[Axelios]

9 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

well. pretty sure it's easier to sell albums in America when somebody white makes the safest least inoffensive music for white folks

 

 

As if 99% of Rihanna music wasn't basic dance pop songs and urban adjacent music which was the most popular genre in the US in the 2010s 

[Klein]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

Rihanna remains commercially successful and she did that without needing to re-record her albums to boost those sales or manipulating charts in the process (39 cent singles, 60 ways to buy an album etcetc)

No, only free albums for ANTI and $0.99 album for Rated R. Remixes. Re-issue. 

 

Literally every MPG has used tactics to "manipulate" the charts.

[airplane]

2 minutes ago, Klein said:

No, only free albums for ANTI and $0.99 album for Rated R. Remixes. Re-issue. 

Literally every MPG has used tactics to "manipulate" the charts. 

The difference is that Taylor still does it, on a magnitude unparalleled. Not comparable 

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5 minutes ago, airplane said:

Rihanna remains commercially successful and she did that without needing to re-record her albums to boost those sales or manipulating charts in the process (39 cent singles, 60 ways to buy an album etcetc)

 

It’s more funnier when the majority only care in the first two weeks and then forget about it. It’s the same case for Taylor’s singles, which is why she was scrambling to pump ANTI hero with remixes every week because she cannot score a stable #1 without constantly pushing it.

 

Remember willow recording the biggest fall from hot 100 in history? Frontloaded.

 

Remember reputation dropping 78% in sales in week 2? Again, frontloaded. She just got lucky with tiktok and the scooter fiasco because after 2017, her career was on a downward trajectory.

Calling willow frontloaded is entirely fair and true. 

 

Calling Reputation frontloaded when it's still top 20 on BB200 and charting all around the world is delusional. 

 

And not having the skills to bring a new life to your career by releasing the critically-acclaimed folklore being used as a drag. I've seen it all.