poll Most successful 8th album: Anti x folklore x Music?

[ugo]

50 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

(After seeeing ANTI certified in 2 weeks)
 

That's for Anti the process is not the same for every album and labels 

 

 

[ImsoLOUD]

Just now, ugo said:

That's for Anti the process is not the same for every album and labels 

 

 

so then maybe you should have identified that in your first post

 

[Raspberries]

15 minutes ago, airplane said:

Those 1M copies were literally purchased by Samsung in a deal worth $25M and given away for free to the fans afterwards. Keyword: purchased. ANTI was bound to go platinum even if we didn’t get a free copy because samsung purchased a million copies. This narrative of a free RIAA certification is so flawed. Also, those 39 cent willow sales definitely made up some of evermore’s overall units (even if minute).  

Purchased by a company and then given to people for FREE. And then they scammed the RIAA for a Platinum certification. You are not this dense girl 

[airplane]

6 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Purchased by a company and then given to people for FREE. And then they scammed the RIAA for a Platinum certification. You are not this dense girl 

It’s not a scam if the albums were purchased. At the end of the day, the albums were paid for and there is absolutely nothing illegal about that. 

 

You can take that up with RIAA because they allowed it: 

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the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) gave ANTI a platinum certification because it recognizes the impact of sponsorship deals, and the album is going to reach No. 1 in its first full week on sale anyway, even without huge bumps from other streaming services like Spotify and Apple Music.

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by airplane

[Raspberries]

3 minutes ago, airplane said:

It’s not a scam if the albums were purchased. At the end of the day, the albums were purchased and there is absolutely nothing illegal about that. 

They weren't purchased by consumers, Mary. That's the point. It's not illegal, but it's gaming the system which is why Billboard themselves won't count them

[airplane]

1 minute ago, Raspberries said:

They weren't purchased by consumers, Mary. That's the point. It's not illegal, but it's gaming the system which is why Billboard themselves won't count them

Are you aware of what a sponsorship deal is? RIAA allows it and the conversation ends there. I would agree the system was cheated if the sales counted towards billboard.

[MusicLoverDude]

Single Runs:

Anti > Music > folklore

 

Critical Acclaim:

folklore > Anti > Music

 

Album sales:

folklore > Music > Anti

[inmymendes]

Music

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

Are you aware of what a sponsorship deal is? RIAA allows it and the conversation ends there. I would agree the system was cheated if the sales counted towards billboard.

Again, there is a reason Billboard does not allow it and even shaded the deal when it happened. It is a way to inflate certifications. There is no reason for a mega corporation to purchase 1 million copies of something and give it out for free so it can be Platinum. Even Amazon/Gaga had the dignity to charge $0.99 for Born This Way and bundle it cloud storage promo. 

 

It's pretty much the same as counting pirated copies in a certification. The only difference is that a mega corporation didn't put them out for people to download 

[ImsoLOUD]

5 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

They weren't purchased by consumers, Mary. That's the point. It's not illegal, but it's gaming the system which is why Billboard themselves won't count them

It wouldn't matter if you thought it was illegal or not  you are not the RIAA  

 

and not a Swiftie talking about "gaming the system"  

[WeFoundWill]

ask the GP if they can name one song off Folklore.

 

The answer is the one with the hitS aka ANTI

[Raspberries]

2 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

It wouldn't matter if you thought it was illegal or not  you are not the RIAA  

 

and not a Swiftie talking about "gaming the system"  

I'm not the one who brought up anything being "illegal" so I don't know why you're parroting that **** to me  

 

Of course Taylor has used tactics to chart, but she, nor any other pop girl, have stooped as low to give 1 million copies of something out for free and have them count as a Platinum certification  It's without a doubt the biggest move of desperation by any of the pop girls

Edited July 26, 2023 by Raspberries

[WeFoundWill]

4 minutes ago, MusicLoverDude said:

Single Runs:

Anti > Music > folklore

 

Critical Acclaim:

folklore > Anti > Music

 

Album sales:

folklore > Music > Anti

there is no way to measure ANTI‘s acclaim on existing reviews. That album would be in the mid 90s on meta critics if reviewed today.

[WeFoundWill]

2 hours ago, QueenB said:

Do you really think anti aged well in comparison to Music and Folklore? 

who doesn‘t  ANTI could be released as it is today 

[OnlyManInTheWorld]

The one that starts with "f".

[ugo]

6 minutes ago, WeFoundWill said:

ask the GP if they can name one song off Folklore.

 

The answer is the one with the hitS aka ANTI

well only one of these have album tracks sung every weekend by 50 k people 

Edited July 26, 2023 by ugo

[WildHeart]

6 minutes ago, WeFoundWill said:

ask the GP if they can name one song off Folklore.

They can name soon to be 1 Billion streamed song Cardigan 

[WeFoundWill]

Just now, ugo said:

well only one of these have album tracks sung every weekend by 50 k people 

Amazing comparison to a currently pregnant woman that cant even think about touring but whatever that brain dead comment was  

[WeFoundWill]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

They can name soon to be 1 Billion streamed song Cardigan 

doubt it. Sawry. 

[Popboi.]

14 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

It wouldn't matter if you thought it was illegal or not  you are not the RIAA  

 

and not a Swiftie talking about "gaming the system"  

 

Care to elaborate that part and how she does any different to other artists? 

 

2 minutes ago, WeFoundWill said:

Amazing comparison to a currently pregnant woman that cant even think about touring but whatever that brain dead comment was  

They were evidently talking about the Anti tour.

[WeFoundWill]

1 minute ago, Popboi. said:

 

 

They were evidently talking about the Anti tour.

Didn‘t know the Anti tour was being performed every weekend currently. 

[Finkypop]

26 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

I'm not the one who brought up anything being "illegal" so I don't know why you're parroting that **** to me  

 

Of course Taylor has used tactics to chart, but she, nor any other pop girl, have stooped as low to give 1 million copies of something out for free and have them count as a Platinum certification  It's without a doubt the biggest move of desperation by any of the pop girls

There's no way the delusional Navy are this dense. In a thread discussing the most popular albums, their major talking point of the last few pages is using sales mass-purchased by a company that not even Billboard counts in the album's total. Newsflash: fans/listeners didn't buy those albums, they were given away for free. There's no consumption here by the general public based off interest for the product itself. Aka those sales say nothing about the album's actual popularity. The equivalent of that U2 album being uploaded to everyone's mobile libraries.

 

What's funny is those purchased sales don't matter, Folklore is the bigger album even taking the Samsung total in consideration. Cardigan alone outstreams every ANTI single combined, and the gap will continue to widen. Folklore has moved more units than ANTI despite being out for 3 years. ANTI has had 7+ years to pad its stats. In the streaming era, time is everything (as well as longevity). It just so happens that Taylor has strong openings AND strong longevity. When you analyze the data, the picture is as clear as day. 

 

Also trying to base their argument off Folklore's outdated certs, when Billboard's freshly published numbers every single week show that Folklore's total in the US far surpasses what certifications indicate. Textbook confirmation bias. The most delusional fanbase of all time, needlessly coping over Taylor ruthlessly stomping on their fave in every tangible metric. Get a grip please

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by Finkypop

[ugo]

7 minutes ago, WeFoundWill said:

Amazing comparison to a currently pregnant woman that cant even think about touring but whatever that brain dead comment was  

Rihanna isn't a touring force. 

Edited July 26, 2023 by ugo

[istan4badgalriri]

24 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Purchased by a company and then given to people for FREE. And then they scammed the RIAA for a Platinum certification. You are not this dense girl 

18 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

They weren't purchased by consumers, Mary. That's the point. It's not illegal, but it's gaming the system which is why Billboard themselves won't count them

idk why you're acting like samsung randomly gave away those copies to people who didn't ask for it. Samsung execs:

 

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There are two key requirements for the certification program. That there is consumer demand and that the artist and label get paid a certain minimum amount. We satisfied both of them with Rihanna. We got the data from the service, we saw the redemption of the download codes. They couldn’t just send the album to consumers, the consumer had to initiate the acquisition. The redemption is the indication of the demand.

 

We saw more than a million confirmed downloads to U.S. customers. We would not count international customers.

people had to get a code and download the copies. And that's not even relevant today considering the album has nearly moved 6m units in Billboard sales. If anything all it did was sabotage her first-week sales.

[Raspberries]

2 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

idk why you're acting like samsung randomly gave away those copies to people who didn't ask for it. Samsung execs:

 

people had to get a code and download the copies. And that's not even relevant today considering the album has nearly moved 6m units in Billboard sales. If anything all it did was sabotage her first-week sales.

Give it up. It's moved 6M Billboard units in 7.5 years. folklore is about to cross 5M in less than half of that time  

 

Of course people can ask for a free copy of an album. It's not like most of them were going to pay money for the album. Look at her other albums' first week sales. People weren't even willing to pay $0.99 for Rated R in week 1