Ana Kasparian says she's afraid to talk to POC, calls gender-affirming care dangerous

[Communion]

 

[Kimbra]

TYT must be losing money.

[qurl]

i mean quite literally “who???????????”

[Cameltoe Chariot]

Who cares 

Edited July 5, 2023 by Cameltoe Chariot

[Bubble Tea]

A very Communion thread indeed.  Never heard of this individual.

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, qurl said:

“who???????????”

Sadly 1/2 of what remains the largest "progressive" news channel on Youtube. 

 

TYT - 5.48M Subs
Majority Report - 1.3M
Secular Talk - 1M Subs
The Humanist Report - 408k

[PrettyHurts]

reminds me of this guy in my class who said he feels like he has to apologize for being white these days like no, you have to apologize for being an ******* 

[Bloo]

16 minutes ago, Tropical said:

A very Communion thread indeed.  Never heard of this individual.

Ana is well known in American leftist circles, so not sure where the drag is here? If you don’t know her, that’s fine (especially since you’re not American). But we all can’t know everyone. 

 

OT: At least Ana and Dave Rubin will be friends again here soon.  

[Big Bad Wolf]

 

America is in drastic need of an overhaul. 

[Happylittlepunk]

Breaking points are better than these losers. At least Krystal doesn’t turn herself into a dumb ass. 

[Bloo]

11 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said:

Breaking points are better than these losers. At least Krystal doesn’t turn herself into a dumb ass. 

Krystal also sucks. She’s a class reductionist that will often echo the idea that class is the only category that means anything. She’s more “neutral” I guess cause TYT exist in a bubble and just reek of feeling chronically online. But she’s still latent with countless issues. 

[blackoutbaby]

3 hours ago, Bloo said:

At least Ana and Dave Rubin will be friends again here soon.  

[Harrier]

Unlike anyone in this thread, I actually watched that interview in full yesterday because of people claiming it was her Dave Rubin grifter arc. I did not get that sense at all. She is simply now willing to say things that she would have held back on before, whether you agree with her or not.

 

Your behaviour in taking a few little clips of what she said and making some overly inflammatory headline in order to smear her is like, half of what they talked about. You can disagree with what she said, but don't present it in a way that makes her appear to be more evil than what she is. Just disagree with what she said - why is that so hard?

 

Its a classic online leftist tactitc, and also the tactic the OP constantly engages in with the way they quote people with a few words out of their whole post. Like Ana, I am tired of the antics of the online left. I'm tired of the complete lack of awareness in terms of how distant they have become from what the average American thinks on cultural issues. 

 

Things only continue to get worse and more polarised in US politics. Ana is trying a new path to the 'progressive firebrand' style of classic TYT, and while I might disagree with her in some parts, it is entirely legitimate of her to do that and we also don't need to jump to calling her a grifter as she does so, when there is no evidence of that.

[Peroxide]

This makes me so sad. I used to be a massive fan…

 

I swear if she ends up becoming the new Dave Rubin…

[Khal]

Ah, the 2016 election cycle really was hilarious. Weren't TYT seen as some beacon for progressives because they supported Sanders?

[Mikeymoonshine]

Ah so she's swallowed the propaganda about puberty blockers from people like Singal lol. I always had my issues with TYT but I had defended Ana a lot in the past, shame she doesn't have the same solidarity of people of colour or trans people like me. Don't quote me acting like she does, I replied to her very politely about her "don't call me cis" tweets and she ignored my reply, plus I know she saw it cos she liked a terf account's tweet that responded to me saying I wasn't allowed to cricise her because "she's an ally" lol. 

[Communion]

3 hours ago, Harrier said:

I'm tired of the complete lack of awareness in terms of how distant they have become from what the average American thinks on cultural issues. 

The average American when polled thinks the medical decisions of a trans teen are largely up to that teen and their parents and their doctor, which makes Ana's boogeymanning over gender-affirming care - something you previously did and then apologized for - the view representing the chronically online, not the other way around. 

 

If you want to argue it's not fair to assign malice to views that could be genuine in their curiosity or ignorance, that's fine, but both you and Ana leading with framing your views as inherently the norm and logical and painting those whom you disagree with as a radical abd dishonest fringe - when polling shows the opposite - will make that a hard argument to make. 

 

Obsessing over trans issue is killing the success of conservatives in the US. I promise you anyone who thinks "the usage of cross-sex hormones!!!" is a largely relevant topic to the average American is who is "removed from what the average American thinks on cultural issues."

Edited July 5, 2023 by Communion

[Harrier]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

The average American when polled thinks the medical decisions of a trans teen are largely up to that teen and their parents and their doctor, which makes Ana's boogeymanning over gender-affirming care - something you previously did and then apologized for - the view representing the chronically online, not the other way around. 

 

If you want to argue it's not fair to assign malice to views that could be genuine in their curiosity or ignorance, that's fine, but both you and Ana leading with framing your views as inherently the norm and logical and painting those whom you disagree with as a radical abd dishonest fringe - when polling shows the opposite - will make that a hard argument to make. 

 

Obsessing over trans issue is killing the success of conservatives in the US. I promise you anyone who thinks "the usage of cross-sex hormones!!!" is a largely relevant topic to the average American is who is "removed from what the average American thinks on cultural issues."

As you state, I do disagree with her framing of the gender affirming care issue (thus why I alluded to having disagreements in my post).

 

On the cultural distance point, I am moreso making a more general argument. If you want one example, take the trans sports issue. Whatever your take may be, I saw a gallup poll recently that showed 70% of Americans are in favor of trans people playing on teams that match their birth sex, including a majority of democrats. Is an issue like this, something that affects a tiny minority of a minority of people and not in a life or death way, really worth dying on a hill for? Especially when I've seen even many progressive trans people acknowledge room for nuance.

 

The same poll showed that a staggering 55% of Americans view changing one's gender as 'morally wrong'. Horrific numbers. Yet twitter spends its time going after the most minor transgressions on this issue, and expects mainstream democratic politicians to be on board.

 

I agree with you that the average American doesn't care about these issues very much still, but I worry that is changing. Republicans by and large do now know about this stuff. It's only a matter of time until normie democrats and independents become activated and I worry about the consequences of that.

[Communion]

33 minutes ago, Harrier said:

As you state, I do disagree with her framing of the gender affirming care issue (thus why I alluded to having disagreements in my post).

 

On the cultural distance point, I am moreso making a more general argument. If you want one example, take the trans sports issue. Whatever your take may be, I saw a gallup poll recently that showed 70% of Americans are in favor of trans people playing on teams that match their birth sex, including a majority of democrats. Is an issue like this, something that affects a tiny minority of a minority of people and not in a life or death way, really worth dying on a hill for? Especially when I've seen even many progressive trans people acknowledge room for nuance.

 

The same poll showed that a staggering 55% of Americans view changing one's gender as 'morally wrong'. Horrific numbers. Yet twitter spends its time going after the most minor transgressions on this issue, and expects mainstream democratic politicians to be on board.

 

I agree with you that the average American doesn't care about these issues very much still, but I worry that is changing. Republicans by and large do now know about this stuff. It's only a matter of time until normie democrats and independents become activated and I worry about the consequences of that.

The TYT segment about trans women in sports was not linked above nor was that the center of anyone's criticism of Ana. 

 

Though such rhetoric - and the amount of time spent by Ana and Cenk on an imagined problem ("don't scold the voter!!!") over an also imagined problem (trans women in sports) - has caused trans members of staff to leave the show:

 

 

Ana's continued comments about gender-affirming care are why people are attributing malice to views that could be seen as nuanced or genuine ignorance, like trans women in sports or medical language 

 

Again, for better or worse, America is very libertarian in the aspect of personal health, abortion aside. You're more likely to find clashes over whether employers have to pay for trans related medical care (or things like PrEP, or again abortion) than a majority support for denying people the right to pursue such or to deny parents the ultimate say (which is similarly where drag queen story hours fall - Republicans are finding it hard to find large enough of a cohort who agree these issues are morally wrong AND who support the idea of legislation restricting one's personal liberty to enjoy or pursue such). The idea Ana claims as fact that elections are lost by leftists taking hardline pro-trans stances on these issues is objectively false.

 

That she shrouds her arguments in claims of optics is literally the sticking point. The electorate do not find medical language to be off-putting until people like her claim it is. The electorate do not think trans women in sports is a political crisis until she, in order to validate her own discomforts, begins claiming it is. She and TYT claim these "culture wars" distract from the larger battle for issues yet refuse to acknowledge how they personally validate these culture wars and their talking points because their own discomforts and views align with them. 

 

Any claim by Ana of her critics being chronically online outs her as herself being chronically online. 

Edited July 5, 2023 by Communion

[Communion]

Cervical cancer Institute in the UK: *tells its doctors that some trans men who come in for screenings may be uncomfortable with their genitals being referred to as vaginas and suggests THROUGH AN OPEN GLOSSARY OF FLEXIBLE TERMS, if the patient is, said glossary offers an explainer about what terms they may run into and what they mean, like 'front hole' - even though yes, any usage of the word hole is good to sound funny*

 

Aka

 

UK cervical cancer center: "If a trans man comes in and won't refer to their genitals as a ******, please be respectful and go with the terms they use."

 

Ana: "So women can't refer to our vaginas as vaginas anymore??? This is why the American left loses elections!!!"

 

I'm sorry but this is not a serious person no matter how politically insightful she's been in the past. @Harrier and this has nothing to do with it being Ana or TYT. I've posted numerous times about Norman Finkelstein being one of the most important voices about Israel's war crimes yet even I would say his recent random conspiracies about transgender people really undercut valuable views he held otherwise. This is not just dogpiling on TYT for being pro-Dems, I promise. 

 

Edited July 5, 2023 by Communion

[Harrier]

We wont be able to find full agreement @Communion but thank you for engaging with me in good faith in this thread. I am not on board with the narrative that Ana is grifting, and I share her feelings about the online/twitter left. I'm a broken record talking about that at this point although you can continue to expect the occasional salty comment from me as I cant help myself

 

But I will say that

1) some of Ana's takes lately have been very questionable, even for me as somone who is not as left wing as you are. I remember when this shift first started happening on trans issues, I expressed my negative feelings about it. I did see that last clip and I have no real defense of what she said there. Who is saying bonus hole? Its just very reactionary. 

2) If Ana is trying to be more open to right wing arguments and criticisms, she owes that same respect to those to her left, and she hasn't shown that so far. 

[commander]

Ana is a disgusting person and she's always given me the ick since day one. 

[modeblock]

can people really not take just a ******* second to do some actual research on trans identity? isn't she a journalist? or is she just a reactionary? This is some Tucker Carlson'd type of hot take. Glad I haven't watched TYT in years. 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

On 7/5/2023 at 11:29 AM, Bloo said:

At least Ana and Dave Rubin will be friends again here soon.  

I just know Dave trying to reach out Ana multiple times to come to his show as we speak

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

This is literally one step away from doing the "I left the left" sh*t, so congrats to her for burning the bridges to all of her core audience just because she fell into reactionary rabbit hole in the year of 2023 

 

let Majority Report replace TYT and Emma Vigeland becoming the IT girl of Youtube progressive channel