ariesgroove Posted July 4, 2023 Posted July 4, 2023 i feel like while the singles from the record were a bit convoluted, you can also account it to the fact billie never really took a break in between her debut & sophomore eras. just as she was sweeping the grammys, what could’ve been her off year after such a big victory, she had the title song of the james bond film and released multiple singles during the pandemic. olivia went radio silent in between her eras which benefited her as well, the clear distinction between the eras is something i think billie will be taking in account for her 3rd studio album. happier than ever was still successful and high quality though so we will not be slandering that record! 1
Blue Rose Posted July 4, 2023 Posted July 4, 2023 All those random songs that Billie was releasing ruined her hype for her lead. Not to mention all those songs were average at best. Olivia’s team was smart in not overflooding the market with songs which built hype for a big debut week. It’s that simple.
AvadaKedavra Posted July 4, 2023 Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, chosensparkles said: wishing anyone the Xtina route must be ill spirited... forgotten albums, always in the shadow of another blonde popstar, no artistic direction, relegated to a tv judge, and now flopping even more with each new releases...
shelven Posted July 4, 2023 Posted July 4, 2023 It's honestly kind of fascinating how just one song (Bad Guy) has made so many people collectively mischaracterize Billie's type of success. Billie's career has never revolved around her songs hitting super high chart peaks or doing huge numbers out the gate. Her commercial success has always been through longevity and slow burns. Three of her songs that have over 1 billion streams on Spotify (soon to be 4 when idontwannabeyouanymore crosses a billion) never even peaked in the Top 20 of the Hot 100. It's so weird that she had one big "traditional" chart smash with Bad Guy and ever since then, everyone has expected her to rack up nonstop #1s and Top 10s. 6
CandleGuy Posted July 4, 2023 Posted July 4, 2023 2 hours ago, badgirlriri said: What in the fan fiction is going on here, the entire album was completed months before Your Power was released and always included my future and Therefore I Am. Everything I Wanted was already placed on physical deluxe editions of WWAFA people so there was never any true question about its inclusion. And thank the lord for Billie’s creative control granting her another acclaimed, successful album. I had it wrong about Everything I Wanted, I didn't know it was on the WWAFA deluxe. But the rest remains true. My Future came out a year before the album and 9 months before the album announcement. It was not announced as a lead single to an album and most fans and media treated it as a droplet. It had an animated MV and not very much hype or radio play. https://www.nme.com/news/music/listen-to-billie-eilishs-stunning-new-single-my-future-2718749 Quote While it remains unclear whether the song will feature on Eilish’s follow-up album to her groundbreaking debut ‘When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?’ – NME’s album of 2019 – Eilish’s brother and collaborator Finneas has revealed that work has begun on it. It was not marketed or rolled out as a true lead single to a previously announced album, a la Vampire. If you can't see the difference between how these rollouts were executed I don't know what to tell you.
badgirlriri Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 6 hours ago, CandleGuy said: I had it wrong about Everything I Wanted, I didn't know it was on the WWAFA deluxe. But the rest remains true. My Future came out a year before the album and 9 months before the album announcement. It was not announced as a lead single to an album and most fans and media treated it as a droplet. It had an animated MV and not very much hype or radio play. https://www.nme.com/news/music/listen-to-billie-eilishs-stunning-new-single-my-future-2718749 It was not marketed or rolled out as a true lead single to a previously announced album, a la Vampire. If you can't see the difference between how these rollouts were executed I don't know what to tell you. It was unclear what the plan with the sophomore album was heading into it compared to how the Guts rollout is going, I agree. But it read like you were trying to suggest she backtracked following Your Power not being a huge single, when we already knew since February (2 months before Your Power's release) that it was a 16-track album and it was already complete and turned in by this point, so there's no reason to doubt that my future and Therefore I Am were always intended to be included. As far as Lost Cause and NDA following, I think it's worth noting that Billie historically liked to drop a ton of singles before an album release up till now. - The entirety of DSAM being dropped as standalone singles and then strung together into an EP. - WWAFA,WDWG? being announced July 2018 (will come out March 2019) and having four songs dropped leading up to it every few months. - HTE rollout starting July 2020, formally announced in April 2021 and having five songs out leading to its release. The only difference is she was still largely underground at the time with DSAM and pre-WWAFA, but now there's so much attention towards any track she puts out, so it's clear she wanted to still follow a similar structure but it ended up causing bad press instead with people not understanding she doesn't really care about singles and is just trying to treat the fans throughout the long wait. Who knows whether she'll shift gears for BE3 but this thread is odd since Olivia and Billie both clearly have very different goals with their career/music. 3
Saint James Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 Olivia released a big catchy pop song, Billie didn’t. this barely merits discussion tbh
Saint James Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 10 hours ago, Beyonnaise said: Billie is bigger than Olivia. Vampire is debuting high based on the Sour hype but after only a few days, it’s not showing signs of being anywhere near as big as Drivers License or Good 4 U. She’ll probably fade after this album, the teens will outgrow her. why would anyone outgrow Olivia. she has a disney fanbase, Demi Selena Miley all still have the same fans from 10 years ago. artists mature surely u understand that? so far her music has been timeless as well so Sour will have good recurrent stats.
Alex Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 Release something that sounds like an outtake of your first album as your sophomore album lead single I guess? 1 1
brenda-walsh Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) billie is more of an artist while olivia is more of a popstar. vampire is literally DL/ Sour 2.0 while billie took risks and changed her sound, look, etc. even with the initial lukewarm reception to HTE, it has 4B+ streams on spotify, 100+ weeks charting worldwide, and a $100M tour. nothing about that is 'moderate success' or a flop olivia is clearly going the safe route and trying to rehash what was already proven successful, which imo never works out in the long run Edited July 6, 2023 by brenda-walsh 2
KOMH Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 Not so fast when Vampire is shaping up to be her Therefore I Am 1
Jude Posted July 6, 2023 Author Posted July 6, 2023 10 hours ago, KOMH said: Not so fast when Vampire is shaping up to be her Therefore I Am nah! It's still on track to debut at #1.
blown away Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 Billie opened the era with Your Power and NDA. She should've released the title track as the lead.
devonedelrey Posted July 8, 2023 Posted July 8, 2023 Olivia has quality music, better personality, overall better artist 2 1
Blackout2006 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) On 7/4/2023 at 2:27 PM, Love Again said: Olivia just has a VERY clear run with no real mistakes so far. I feel like Interscope learned from Billie, which is why GUTS is subtly different from Sour and not drastically !!! As much as I love Billie, she dampened all the hype by releasing a mellow ballad as the single after the announcement of the album. Now I'm not saying that the self-titled track was her only option because she had songs like I Didn't Change My Number, or Billie Bossa Nova that would smash on the charts. YP is an outstanding song but it should've never been the next single choice. Edited July 10, 2023 by Blackout2006
HBK-79 Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 Billie changed her image way too soon, and no one asked for it. But she has a loyal fanbase that will prevent her from doing Vegas residencies as a sole source of revenue later in life. Olivia has success stans that will drop her once they stop being interested in her. But having success stans and GP support isn't at all bad, since P!nk is still going.
unclefloprry Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) Welp Edited November 15, 2023 by unclefloprry 3
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