ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted June 30, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, Communion said: There is no difference between a centrist Democrat and a Republican. I still remember some members here trying to gaslight others into thinking she’s the most progressive politician of all time 5
ClashAndBurn Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Ryan said: None of those are “squad” members. As if Nancy Pelosi would ever bring a squad member’s bill to the floor. Especially considering she sides with Republicans on this issue. Actually laughable that you and the imbeciles of KHive Twitter think introducing bills doomed to die because of conservative Democrats actually matters in the real world. 1 1
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted June 30, 2023 ATRL Administrator Posted June 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: As if Nancy Pelosi would ever bring a squad member’s bill to the floor. Especially considering she sides with Republicans on this issue. Actually laughable that you and the imbeciles of KHive Twitter think introducing bills doomed to die because of conservative Democrats actually matters in the real world. Actually it does matter because they could file a discharge petition and force it to the floor had they really wanted it. Anyways tread lightly with the name calling.
ClashAndBurn Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ryan said: Actually it does matter because they could file a discharge petition and force it to the floor had they really wanted it. Anyways tread lightly with the name calling. Point still stands that Democrats wouldn’t sign onto a discharge petition if Nancy Pelosi wouldn’t get behind it. In fact she’d have whipped the party against the petition. And because Democrats by and large are the party of corporations, not the people, they’d never go against Mama Bear. Also, Joe Biden specifically crafted this plan so that it could fail in Court. Sorry if that hurts, but he intentionally chose the weakest justification: HEROES Act emergency aid while simultaneously urging everyone to get over COVID and insisting that it was no longer and issue.
Great808 Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 All this along with the LGBT business discrimination is gonna do is influence everyone to go vote Blue now. Like be fr
ClashAndBurn Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Great808 said: All this along with the LGBT business discrimination is gonna do is influence everyone to go vote Blue now. Like be fr Nah. Democrats have shown themselves to be unwilling to fight, so this will engender apathy if anything.
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted June 30, 2023 ATRL Administrator Posted June 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Point still stands that Democrats wouldn’t sign onto a discharge petition if Nancy Pelosi wouldn’t get behind it. In fact she’d have whipped the party against the petition. And because Democrats by and large are the party of corporations, not the people, they’d never go against Mama Bear. Also, Joe Biden specifically crafted this plan so that it could fail in Court. Sorry if that hurts, but he intentionally chose the weakest justification: HEROES Act emergency aid while simultaneously urging everyone to get over COVID and insisting that it was no longer and issue. So they specifically crafted this bill so it could fail? Sorry if that hurts, but they intentionally chose the weakest justification: Introducing a bill dead on arrival while simultaneously urging Biden to use an authority they knew he didn't have to pass debt relief and insisting that it was the way to see it through.
Communion Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ryan said: urging Biden to use an authority they knew he didn't have Oh, has Biden suddenly decided to utilize the Higher Education Act of 1965 like progressives have demanded he utilize?
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted June 30, 2023 ATRL Administrator Posted June 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: Biden Live: He’s coming out fighting.
Communion Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Communion said: Oh, has Biden suddenly decided to utilize the Higher Education Act of 1965 like progressives have demanded he utilize? Huh, maybe progressives should have been listened to all along. Look at that.
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted June 30, 2023 ATRL Administrator Posted June 30, 2023 Just now, Communion said: Huh, maybe progressives should have been listened to all along. Look at that. Or, Biden is playing chess and got the Court to rule on something he knew they wouldn’t support, thus setting precedent and eliminating avenues of challenge to use the Higher Education Act.
nadiamendell Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Biden is really struggling. But it sounds like this may be a viable backup plan?
Communion Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Just now, Ryan said: Or, Biden is playing chess Huh, not sure that all those KHive people on twitter who spent months going "of course the HEA would never work which is why Biden's lawyers went with HEROES" are gonna like the sound of this then.
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted June 30, 2023 ATRL Administrator Posted June 30, 2023 Just now, Communion said: Huh, not sure that all those KHive people on twitter who spent months going "of course the HEA would never work which is why Biden's lawyers went with HEROES" are gonna like the sound of this then. I don’t engage or support that nonsense. They’re engaged in hive mind mentality and that’s counterproductive.
bad guy Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 This was expected. Biden can fix this with executive order but he's a coward and wants Congress to pass something for him to sign, knowing very well that Dems don't have the power to do so, instead of doing it himself. The fact is only Republicans officials will be mad at him for it but he so badly wants to appease the right and be a president for "all" no matter how far that ship has sailed. The inability for Gen Z/Millennials to buy homes in the next 10-20 years, or now, is going to be disastrous for the future but at least important issues like drag shows and trans people drinking Bud Light are being called out!
nadiamendell Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 So is this new plan going to be implemented before the election or are they going to take their time and use this as a reason to vote for his re-election? 1
ClashAndBurn Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: So is this new plan going to be implemented before the election or are they going to take their time and use this as a reason to vote for his re-election? I think you just answered your question. Slow-walking to look like he’s doing something just to get votes, but once he gets over the finish line whether he wins or loses he’ll back off of it. Just like he did with minimum wage.
AMIT Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 34 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: So is this new plan going to be implemented before the election or are they going to take their time and use this as a reason to vote for his re-election? oh wait and the worst part is gonna be the liberals chanting about him playing 4D chess like they been doing already
KatyPrismSpirit Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 so happy i live in holland where i can study at university for practically free and never have to worry about debt for going to school.
Communion Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, nadiamendell said: So is this new plan going to be implemented before the election or are they going to take their time and use this as a reason to vote for his re-election? This is the fundamental problem with the establishment as a whole, whether blue or red, and largely the issue that progressive partisans end up enabling despite claiming to want progressive policy to be achieved. You can see it in this thread that partisans inherently trust Biden and others when they say they're trying their best and want to get this done, because they view Democrats as inherently truthful by virtue of being Democrats. But even just a basic analysis of how they're trying to achieve this shows Dems as unserious and ill-intentioned. Biden rather be an institutionalist who values traditions and norms than use the tools in front of him to better society. He rather let Republicans end the payment pause than call on his admin to ignore the debt ceiling and force Republicans to argue from the position of wanting to cause an economic disaster by suing to stop the fed from paying its bills. They rather value traditions and norms with respect to SCOTUS or even their own rule-making process by suggesting they'll consider using HEA, finally acknowledging it can waive debt (!), to do "limited" (lol!) debt relief through a months-long process (that they could have first started January 2021) that will only let conservatives have ample time to find some way to sabotage it instead of just zero'ing out balances now* and forcing Republicans be the biggest political losers of all time by being the people trying to sue for the first time to *RESTORE* forgiven debts to millions. *- The fact that the big "plan" includes a "ramp" where payments resume but they promise they won't report delinquencies to credit bureaus. No IDR plans ready to rollout. No plans to pause payments. Any Democrat who happily chose to turn payments back on for disproportionately poor people will simply have no right to complain when November 2024 comes and President Tr*mp pulls off the biggest upset victory in history. Edited June 30, 2023 by Communion
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