SCOTUS 6-3 Strikes Down Biden Student Loan Forgiveness Program

[nadiamendell]

10 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

This is what happened in 2016 though. Bernie Bros so mad at the DNC (with reason, admittedly) for sabotaging Bernie's chances that they stayed at home, therefore handing the election to Trump and the GOP.

 

We can only hope that Gen Z is smarter than Millennials were.

 

4 minutes ago, Sazare said:

Didn’t polling indicate that more Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary supporters turned out for Obama in 2008?

This. Just admit Hillary was a terrible candidate and move on. The only people that liked her were the hardcore dems.

Edited June 30, 2023 by nadiamendell

[Katamari]

So…..what now?

[khalyan]

11 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

This is what happened in 2016 though. Bernie Bros so mad at the DNC (with reason, admittedly) for sabotaging Bernie's chances that they stayed at home, therefore handing the election to Trump and the GOP.

 

We can only hope that Gen Z is smarter than Millennials were.

This has been disproved countless times. 

[Starshine]

How dare you, DEATH to all 6 of them.

[madonnas]

11 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

This is what happened in 2016 though. Bernie Bros so mad at the DNC (with reason, admittedly) for sabotaging Bernie's chances that they stayed at home, therefore handing the election to Trump and the GOP.

 

We can only hope that Gen Z is smarter than Millennials were.

It’s been 84 years

 

 

There were a million bajillion reasons why Hillary list.  It’s time to stop relitigating the 2016 election.  

[Richie.Valdez]

The United States of America is such an embarrassment. 

[nadiamendell]

The fact that these APPOINTED for LIFE, not elected, 6 individuals hold so much power over this country is ******* ridiculous. I grew up learning that we had a system of checks and balances between the 3 branches of government. Who is checking the judicial branch???? Literally who???? 

[Mastamaind]

Republicans are for the people, right?

 

Right? 

 

You see, it's not about being "woke". It's about the political party you're voting for, forcing you into poverty, while you lick their boots 'cause you feel like you're one of them because you're both putrid bigots.

 

You're not one of them. They're (kind of) rich. You're not.

 

You're looking for guys on grindr while your wife is struggling finding ingredients for the meal you're gonna have with that grindr guy on your netflix and chill, subscription which you may not be able to afford the next month.

[Horizon Flame]

1 hour ago, ptolemaea said:

Because he has executive power to cancel them but he's too much of a ***** ***** to do it.

The President does not have the legal authority to forgive student loans on his own. Only Congress has the power of the purse. Executive action can be used only when it has been specifically authorized by Congress.

 

https://thecollegeinvestor.com/35892/is-student-loan-forgiveness-by-executive-order-legal/#:~:text=The President does not have,been specifically authorized by Congress.

[luckythisway]

20 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

State schools are not always cheaper, many employers require bachelor's degrees, and we're talking about people who are largely 18 and often 17 when they are pressured to make these decisions. The cost of education today, and the predatory student loan system, is literally founded upon extracting as much money as possible from very young and often economically disadvantaged people. These are loans you cannot get discharged under normal circumstances even in filing for bankruptcy. They are loans for which normal forgiveness programs require a decade or more of payments. We should be paying more in taxes to cover the costs of education, open up significant opportunity for everyone, and move forward as a society; as such, providing forgiveness for people who have had to borrow for what they were told was the pathway to the "American dream" seems completely reasonable. We dump hundreds of billions of dollars, nearly a trillion now, into the military and defense every year. We forgave hundreds of billions of PPP Loans, which a much higher average amount of over $72k per loan, that have been demonstrated to be rife with abuse and fraud, yet we can't forgive honest American taxpayers who simply wanted an education to try to make it in life?

I agree 100% that the higher educational system in America is predatory, and I don’t condone excessive federal spending in the other areas that you mentioned. Student loans are a myth - they’re advertised as free money and should not be touted as such.  
 

I’m not saying that state schools are cheap by any means but consciously making a decision to spend 2-3x more on an education from a private/out of state school when there are cheaper options available is simply not smart planning. Never mind the fact that there are a wealth of community colleges available to take gen-ed classes at, before transferring to another school to finish your Bachelor’s degree in a specialized program/area of study.  
 

I was fortunate to have parents that were savvy enough to make me aware of my choices, and more importantly show the long lasting financial implications if I were to go to an out of state and/or private school over my in-state school, where I ending up attending. 
 

I understand not everyone has that same influence to lead them in the right direction. We face a broken system which I don’t have a clear solution for, hence why I didn’t choose to become a politician. But I also don’t think it’s right to lead kids down the path that they can just make these significant financial commitments, and expect that everything will work out in the end because everyone else will pay for their consequences

[ALA]

Wow. I remember how happy I was filling out the application last year

 

This is just so frustrating, especially with how expensive everything is now... ugh

[Relampago.]

It really feels like we’re not going to get any kind of good change unless people start ******* ******. 

 

This appointed for life **** needs to go, and someone has to do something one way or another.

 

Idk if it’s the same for every state; but in AZ we vote to retain or replace our judges, why is that not the case for the SC? Maybe we don’t get to appoint them, but we need to have a way to have some influence over the court as people. 

[Illuminati]

2 minutes ago, nadiamendell said:

The fact that these APPOINTED for LIFE, not elected, 6 individuals hold so much power over this country is ******* ridiculous. I grew up learning that we had a system of checks and balances between the 3 branches of government. Who is checking the judicial branch???? Literally who???? 

More of this to come after the next elections, it seems.

[khalyan]

5 minutes ago, Illuminati said:

More of this to come after the next elections, it seems.

It always comes after the next election, and then some bullshit happens to push it to the following election, and then the cycle repeats.

[khalyan]

Both political parties use these issues to push fundraising, which is why they’ll always be in some sort of limbo even when the easy solution is sitting right there.  

[Red Velvet]

These 6 unelected old people having the power to destroy millions of lives is such a JOKE

[Chiidish]

Ah yes Never Hilary and the ramifications.
 

 

But now I’ll be told to shut up and Biden could still do something (which is true) and it’s still democrats fault instead of just everyone with basic decency doing their bare minimum civic duty to prevent us having to wholly rely on useless out of touch liberal democrats and being in a perpetual cycle of give and take with them …while at the same time people on the other side that want me dead force this country into the 1900s.

 

I see Minnesota got an overwhelming blue wave and (wow look what happens) they’re finally getting things done. But I guess I’m a fool for still thinking if that could be replicated for the entire country (galvanizing people to a point where we aren’t ****** by Manchin’s/Sinemas) in this great time of crisis then we might have a better chance? And I get being jaded but it just makes sense to vote AND protest/start your revolution/be local or whatever countermeasure you think works better than the status quo. But to actively reject it makes it easier for things to slide backward and get worse day to day for people who have it the hardest. 
 

 

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, Chiidish said:

Minnesota got an overwhelming blue wave

A state having a legislative majority of 1 and using it to enact popular progressive policies to earn the trust of voters does not make look better the national Democrats whose ideas of broad coalition meant they sat on their hands with huge majorities in both chambers after 2008 and did nothing of substance or compromised to appeal to centrism. 

 

If anything, the successes of Minneosta show that norms and weak centrism cannot and do not work anymore. 

[Komet]

As someone not from US, I am perplexed about how republicans think they can ever win over Millennials and Gen Z while doing what they are, is there something I'm missing?

 

Sure they have boomers pulling for them rn (as well as the equally perplexing awful election system but that's another discussion) but those are about to drop dead, hopefully sooner than later. Then what? Are they just hoping that these multiple generations will just forget that they've been activly making their life worse?

[nadiamendell]

 

 

It's time to riot. 

[La Reina]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

First payments are due October 1st. 

 

Biden has 93 days until the beginning of the end of his presidency. 

My goodness. This is what so-called "working with the other side" has gotten us and people (liberal Democrats) STILL don't understand that it doesn't work because Republicans don't and won't play a fair game. 

 

Good look booking those payments you speak of. This decision is disastrous and I feel for those who are drowned in student debt.

[Chiidish]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

A state having a legislative majority of 1 and using it to enact popular progressive policies to earn the trust of voters does not make look better the national Democrats whose ideas of broad coalition meant they sat on their hands with huge majorities in both chambers after 2008 and did nothing of substance or compromised to appeal to centrism. 

 

If anything, the successes of Minneosta show that norms and weak centrism cannot and do not work anymore. 

Yes I agree with that. But I also don’t see Progressives gaining power without churning out more votes. And yes it’s more likely that comes with dealing with more moderates/centrists but I quite literally don’t see that slow accumulation of power as worse than where we are now. To me I see progressives having a chance if the long game is worked on state by state. Start their messaging with case examples Minnesota and how it’s helped regular blue collar folk, start picking up more and more states until  centrists are forced to listen (or die out). But as of now I haven’t seen any pivot or strategies that seem more viable that just accepting the poison that is this nation’s “bipartisan” governing

[Chiidish]

and I’m not trying to be hostile, I’m kind of just tired. All three of the recent decisions by SCOTUS directly affect me or people in marginalized groups that I’m apart of and I’m just depressed at the 1-2-3 punch. If there are strategies by progressives that you guys think will work on a national scale or quickly to help reverse or mitigate the massive step backwards happening recently and prevent the incessant rise of neochristofascism im all ears  
 

 

[Ryan]

Congress can do this. They won’t. None of the squad who supported student debt relief wrote a bill to make it do. They just complained and said Biden can do it. 
 

This sucks for everyone who was eligible for relief.

[EnigmaticAndroid]

1 hour ago, Rotunda said:

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