harwee Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 Its not gonna make a comeback. Not really surprised.
Power love Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 Sometimes you have to steal to survive in the streets.
MotoPapi Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Monster Megamind said: Either way, there's a reason why it's more prevalent here. It's because of the lax laws and emboldened criminals. The same thing is happening in DC. Crime is out of control and mayor Bowser refuses to do anything about it. She’s so busy doing performative crap for the gram rather than doing her job. car jacking and shootings are normal now and it’s mostly done by teenagers sent by adults to commit these crimes because they know know if the teenagers get caught, nothing will be done and they’ll be back to continue terrorizing the citizens. I’m not sure if San Francisco has the same problem where teenagers are forming gangs to commit this crimes but I 100% believe they need to be tried as adults rather than getting a slap on the wrist. Criminals cannot be rehabilitated.
Trent W Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Justifying theft because the area is expensive is a lazy excuse Edited June 19, 2023 by Trent W
Elusive Chanteuse Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Trent W said: Justifying theft because the area is expensive is is a lazy excuse !
Delirious Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Horizon Flame said: They’re taking stuff that isn’t going to help them survive. They’re just looting because they can. It’s not like they’re stealing bread because they’re starving. They’re taking makeup, handbags, etc. They’re also not homeless. They’re kids laughing and having a great time doing it. Making excuses is why it’s happening in the first place. It’s reckless. Lawlessness is turning these places third world. Letting them get away with crime is a gateway to producing even worse criminals who will graduate into committing even worse crimes like rape and murder. People feel like they can get away with anything. We’re breeding a generation of criminals. There needs to be law and order in order to live in a civilized society. Looking the other way while people commit crime is only going to lead to things like food deserts. Nothing good comes from it. The fact that people can’t understand the concept of right from wrong is astounding. Most of our parents explained that stealing was wrong before we were even two years old. People saying “Who cares, they have insurance,” are nuts. They think that money grows on trees, that the world owes them something, and that there will be no repercussions. They’re sociopathic. They wouldn’t like someone going into their homes and taking whatever they wanted. PERIOD!!! Say it louder. I feel very sorry for the poor business owners & residents who don't do stuff like this It's what SF deserves
Communion Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Delirious said: for the poor business owners Quote H&M, Hilton, Saks Off 5th, Gap, Whole Foods and Banana Republic. These places are shuttering stores in the area because their business models don't work anymore on top of their structures being built to transfer profits upwards to shareholders. Online retailers aren't anymore ethical, but their ethics are not the topic at hand - they simply offer more cheaper goods. When was the last time you felt the need to go shop at a Banana Republic? These places utilize reports of stolen merchandise - despite it literally being written into their insurance to account for lost and stolen products - and work hand-in-hand with copaganda to hide that their models are failing. Someone might turn around and go: "Well, someone's not going to want to shop in a place where there's homeless people all around," but again, that brings us back to the point - you solve homelessness through housing. Sometimes, the alleged shoplifting and theft isn't even actually happening! Edited June 19, 2023 by Communion 1
Delirious Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Communion said: These places are shuttering stores in the area because their business models don't work anymore on top of their structures being built to transfer profits upwards to shareholders. Online retailers aren't anymore ethical, but their ethics are not the topic at hand - they simply offer more cheaper goods. When was the last time you felt the need to go shop at a Banana Republic? These places utilize reports of stolen merchandise - despite it literally being written into their insurance to account for lost and stolen products - and work hand-in-hand with copaganda to hide that their models are failing. Someone might turn around and go: "Well, someone's not going to want to shop in a place where there's homeless people all around," but again, that brings us back to the point - you solve homelessness through housing. Sometimes, the alleged shoplifting and theft isn't even actually happening! 2021...girl Anyways it's all fun and games till it happens to you. 1
Communion Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Delirious said: 2021...girl Chesa Boudin left office in July 2022; if shoplifting rates across the state were down during the pandemic and flat in San Francisco during his tenure, and you now believe them to be up in San Francisco, would that then not be the fault of the right-wing, pro-cop DA who took his place? If the problem was alleged to be Chesa, and the introduction of tough-on-crime policies in San Francisco didn't actually do anything.. now what? Brooke Jenkins is literally defending people who murder shoplifters. Sounds like maybe the problem won't be solved by just "making punishments for crime harsher". How much more "tough on crime" does San Francisco need to get when stealing $14 of candy gets you killed? Edited June 19, 2023 by Communion
spree Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 build housing for them and then what? Let them do drugs and turn that house into a crackhouse? That's for sure what's going to happen. I'm not sure of the solution, but the free handouts need to stop, cuz it paints a rosy picture.
Communion Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, spree said: build housing for them and then what? Let them do drugs and turn that house into a crackhouse? The majority of of homeless people in the US are neither actively abusing drugs or alcohol, with a simple majority holding down some kind of consistent employment at-least part-time. 2
spree Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Communion said: The majority of of homeless people in the US are neither actively abusing drugs or alcohol, with a simple majority holding down some kind of consistent employment at-least part-time. I believe you, cuz you are so adamant about stuff like this. But I want to see proof. Cuz imo, homelessness and drugs go hand-in-hand.
Keter Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Delirious said: 2021...girl Anyways it's all fun and games till it happens to you. Exactly what I was thinking! All fun and games until it’s your car being broken into, until it’s you being mugged, etc. Ain’t enough essays, articles, and think pieces in the world then!
Delirious Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Keter said: Exactly what I was thinking! All fun and games until it’s your car being broken into, until it’s you being mugged, etc. Ain’t enough essays, articles, and think pieces in the world then! Some people just don't know what it's like getting their things stolen. The house I lived in used to have burglars stealing **** once a month. I've even have them steal a ******* potted plant & car mirrors??? I live in Australia btw and no-one in Australia is poor. Thank god all the windows have metal bars or they'll literally break in. It all stopped once security cameras were installed. It's the same with SF, if these people aren't facing repercussions for a literal crime then they'll keep doing this. Once the shops close down, guess who's next? Yep that's right! The residents!!! 1 1
Keter Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, Delirious said: Some people just don't know what it's like getting their things stolen. The house I lived in used to have burglars stealing **** once a month. I've even have them steal a ******* potted plant & car mirrors??? I live in Australia btw and no-one in Australia is poor. Thank god all the windows have metal bars or they'll literally break in. It all stopped once security cameras were installed. It's the same with SF, if these people aren't facing repercussions for a literal crime then they'll keep doing this. Once the shops close down, guess who's next? Yep that's right! The residents!!! Yes feeling unsafe in your own home is not something I would wish on anyone. I understand helping those in need and having compassion, but we work for our ****, pay our bills on time, etc. why do we have to have our things stolen or feel unsafe? There have to be repercussions because the people truly losing out aren’t the ones on top, it’s the average everyday individual who may not be able to afford yet another busted car window this month or who have to drive across town for groceries. The system isn’t fair to anyone but that doesn’t mean let anarchy reign.
Swirl900 Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 I do agree that increasing police likely isn't much of a solution: "When adding in overtime and other pay, 715 police employees made more than $200,000 — up from 436 the year before. Of those, 51 workers made more than $300,000 last year — up from 15 the year prior." -San Francisco Chronicle That's half the force making over $200k. Meanwhile - police across the country have been quiet quitting. Evidently not due to poor working conditions, but because they are butt hurt about BLM still and many refuse to do their job. The problem though, lies squarely with the city and state. The refusal to prosecute people and institutionalize drug users and criminals who either need help, or are a clear danger to society. The police might arrest people 28292282939 times but if the DA refuses to prosecute they're back out on the streets to terrorize society again. So even if you do have a super active and great police force it will not matter if the state refuses to lock them up. The city will also keep spiraling downward unless they rein in the homeless issue they helped create through policy choices. Many of the people who supposedly work to end homelessness are really there to corruptly make money. This is proven by the $300k public toilets or $60k tents for the homeless. It has gotten so bad it is called the "homeless industrial complex" in many circles. It would be cheaper to give the homeless free housing in many cases than to implement any of the "solutions" these advocates enact. And even if you were to put them up in housing, this doesn't address the out of control drug problem in San Francisco among the homeless. The homeless are dying by the dozen in that city due to drugs, and it will only continue to get worse. 1
Rebel Lion Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 The industrial era is dying. With cost of living, high food prices, shortages, and solar energy people will find another way to live.
Communion Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, spree said: I believe you, cuz you are so adamant about stuff like this. But I want to see proof. Cuz imo, homelessness and drugs go hand-in-hand. It's found commonly within the US, no matter the area. Some areas combining alcohol and drugs together can be as high as 40%, but in others it can be as low as 25%. If we're sticking to California, https://voiceofsandiego.org/2017/11/09/fact-check-homelessness-tied-drugs-alcohol/ Quote Mayor Bill Wells has described rampant addiction among El Cajon’s homeless population in the weeks since, arguing that rising drug use and street homelessness helped fuel the hepatitis A outbreak. In an interview with Fox 5 San Diego, Wells claimed nearly all homelessness is tied to drug or alcohol abuse. Quote The lion’s share of research and the experts I spoke with instead suggested somewhere between 25 percent and 40 percent of the nation’s homeless population is struggling with alcohol or drug addiction, or both. Surveys of homeless San Diegans during the county’s most recent point-in-time count followed a similar trend. During January’s homelessness census, 14 percent of those surveyed reported struggling with substance abuse, and another 10 percent with alcohol addiction. Being unhoused will definitely make someone more likely to resort to drugs or alcohol, but the idea that the majority of homeless people are combatting addiction and that homelessness is a product of addiction is often misguided of liberals or copaganda to link both being unhoused and addiction to alleged criminality. The same trends emerge with regards to work, with 40-60% of homeless people holding at least some kind of steady part-time or full-time employment, with variance depending on the city, whether they're in a shelter, etc. Quote The truth is that many do – in fact, a 2021 study from the University of Chicago estimates that 53% of people living in homeless shelters and 40% of unsheltered people were employed, either full or part-time, in the year that people were observed homeless between 2011 – 2018. https://endhomelessness.org/blog/employed-and-experiencing-homelessness-what-the-numbers-show/#:~:text=The truth is that many,observed homeless between 2011 – 2018.
spree Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 well 40% is almost 1 out of 2. And the "employed" homeless might be doing that to pay for drugs in the first place. Just saying. Money for drugs has to come from somewhere. I just don't think those numbers add up to reality. Is someone smoking weed all day and collecting cans for money gonna report any sort of addiction? Of course not.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted June 19, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, spree said: well 40% is almost 1 out of 2. And the "employed" homeless might be doing that to pay for drugs in the first place. Just saying. Money for drugs has to come from somewhere. I just don't think those numbers add up to reality. Is someone smoking weed all day and collecting cans for money gonna report any sort of addiction? Of course not. You realize addiction is a medical illness and should be treated, right? Like, let's assume the worst and paint in broadstrokes and say homeless people are just homeless due to substance addiction (that's not true, but let's play with this hypothetical). Then what? What should happen next? Should our taxes go into keeping them locked up in prison or trying to treat them so they're no longer addicted to drugs and can have a shot at being functioning members of society? Currently, homelessness is a major pipeline to prisons which are already a major drain of federal taxes. Would you rather we support this community by giving them adequate care so they too can give back to society by working a job and paying taxes? Now, everything I said should still apply even when we remove the silly, hypothetical assumption about substance addition and homelessness. If you think the solution is just locking people up, then you're not pitching serious ideas to help the issue. This is a nuanced issue. But step 1 is not demonizing homeless people and step 2 is extending empathy towards them.
spree Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 you're making a broad assumption that every drug user on the streets that's homeless wants to be clean. I think the vast majority are perfectly fine living in those communes and getting 3 meals a day and all the drugs at their disposal. Heroin and meth addicts don't want to be clean. Have you ever done those drugs? I have and I can tell you how much they lure you in.
bad guy Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 8 hours ago, shookspeare said: Not surprised, I left SF in 2019 after 4 years and it was a complete dump then. Can't imagine how much worse it's gotten after the pandemic I just visited the Bay area to stay with some friends last month and went to SF for the first time after 2020 (which was already bad) and it was awful. Human feces, needles, and people passed out on the sidewalks. People twitching and itching on the streets. The city has failed miserably. OT: While cost of living surely is a major issue, many of these homeless people are transplants who reside in SF because they pretty much have free reign to do whatever they want, drugs included. So naturally when a culture of lawlessness is the norm, people commit crimes. I find the notion that people are committing crimes because they don't have housing a bit wonky since if you talk to people who have gotten out of homelessness they will tell you that many of the people they came across on the streets chose to be. Homeless people who are actively trying to get housing and work are not going to be committing crimes (which would literally ruin their chances of getting housing) The only way SF gets better is when the city actually starts investing in helping people by providing good paying jobs for people that want it, providing transitional housing, cracking down on the obscene rent prices, and start getting tougher on crime.
GraceRandolph Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Communion said: The majority of of homeless people in the US are neither actively abusing drugs or alcohol, with a simple majority holding down some kind of consistent employment at-least part-time. Don’t try to educate them with actual facts sis. They just want a justification for their hatred of the homeless and will go to the ends of the Earth to try and rationalize it. 1
Sannie Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 You guys do realize these companies have insurance, right? None of these companies are losing money because of theft. They just use the "theft" excuse to hide the fact that they are moving due to failing business models. Fact is, most brick-and-mortar stores are struggling because most people do not want to go into a store to buy something they can have delivered to them for free. And really, who cares if these mutli-billion and million dollar companies have things stolen from them? Why are you guys fighting in favor of the companies who would sell you in an instant if it helped with their bottom line?
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