Horizon Flame Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) Westfield Mall in San Francisco is the latest retail store closing due to out of control crime and shoplifting. The mall operator said that foot-fall and shoppers using the mall was significantly down and numerous retailers had abandoned the mall after lack of action against theft and crime. Downtown SF has seen a stunning crime wave in recent years with shootings, stabbing, muggings, violent crime and drug use being rampant. The announcement comes just weeks after Nordstrom announced it was leaving the city. Other retailers that have left San Francisco include H&M, Hilton, Saks Off 5th, Gap, Whole Foods and Banana Republic. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/westfield-mall-san-francisco-closing-retail-loan/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/pamdanziger/2023/06/14/westfield-mall-joins-the-mass-retail-exodus-out-of-san-francisco/amp/ Edited June 18, 2023 by Horizon Flame
Communion Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Sounds like even more reason to end homelessness by housing the unhoused. 6 1 1
suburbannature Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 My cousin pays over $2500 per month for a 450 sq ft loft there so you can imagine why people are struggling to provide for their families.
shookspeare Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Not surprised, I left SF in 2019 after 4 years and it was a complete dump then. Can't imagine how much worse it's gotten after the pandemic
.Odyssey. Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Ready for all the suggestions on reform from non-California residents who haven't had to deal with this first hand
xDiamondx Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Imagine that... when the cost of living is insanely high. People are going to do whatever it takes to survive.
Sergi91 Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 I’m not surprised tbh. SF has changed for the worst over the years. I feel bad for the small business owners that have to deal with looting and crime.
Jotham Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who's been to SF recently.
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Looks like we are going to have food deserts in the middle of SF in future... I hope they strengthen their police more unlike their previous DA 2
Horizon Flame Posted June 18, 2023 Author Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, xDiamondx said: Imagine that... when the cost of living is insanely high. People are going to do whatever it takes to survive. They’re taking stuff that isn’t going to help them survive. They’re just looting because they can. It’s not like they’re stealing bread because they’re starving. They’re taking makeup, handbags, etc. They’re also not homeless. They’re kids laughing and having a great time doing it. Making excuses is why it’s happening in the first place. It’s reckless. Lawlessness is turning these places third world. Letting them get away with crime is a gateway to producing even worse criminals who will graduate into committing even worse crimes like rape and murder. People feel like they can get away with anything. We’re breeding a generation of criminals. There needs to be law and order in order to live in a civilized society. Looking the other way while people commit crime is only going to lead to things like food deserts. Nothing good comes from it. The fact that people can’t understand the concept of right from wrong is astounding. Most of our parents explained that stealing was wrong before we were even two years old. People saying “Who cares, they have insurance,” are nuts. They think that money grows on trees, that the world owes them something, and that there will be no repercussions. They’re sociopathic. They wouldn’t like someone going into their homes and taking whatever they wanted. Edited June 18, 2023 by Horizon Flame 11
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) I just know no practical and implementable solutions will come from the left. Edited June 18, 2023 by Monster Megamind 2 3
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Horizon Flame said: They’re taking stuff that isn’t going to help them survive. They’re just looting because they can. It’s not like they’re stealing bread because they’re starving. They’re taking makeup, handbags, etc. They’re also not homeless. They’re kids and laughing and having a great time doing it. Making excuses is why it’s happening in the first place. It’s reckless. Lawlessness is turning these places third world. Letting them get away with crime is the gateway to producing even worse criminals who will graduate into committing even worse crimes like rape and murder. People feel like they can get away with anything. We’re breeding a generation of criminals. There needs to be law and order in order to live in a civilized society. Looking the other way while people commit crime is only going to lead to things like food deserts. Nothing good comes from it. The fact that people can’t understand the concept of right from wrong is astounding. Most of our parents explained that stealing was wrong before we were even two years old. 100% this!
Communion Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Horizon Flame said: They’re taking makeup, handbags, etc. You mean luxury goods that can then be sold for money?
byzantium Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 The city has made it illegal to build housing forcing everyone to fight over the scraps to survive. I'm sure the wealthy property owners would be happy to see the city burn before they dare let more housing exist. 2 1
XAMJ Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 OH NO THEY LOST $500 IN PROFITS WHILE PEOPLE ARE STARVING 1
Cheers Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 I've heard that if it has "San" in front of it you should stay away
nadiamendell Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 NIMBYs have ruined San Francisco and prevented any sort of affordable housing from being built. It's disgusting. 1
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, nadiamendell said: NIMBYs have ruined San Francisco and prevented any sort of affordable housing from being built. It's disgusting. This has nothing to do with housing. Housing is expensive in Austin as well. Why don't I hear similar stories from there?
Vermillion Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: This has nothing to do with housing. Housing is expensive in Austin as well. Why don't I hear similar stories from there? The two are not remotely comparable - I have family and friends that live in both cities. I know. Define expensive.
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, Espresso said: The two are not remotely comparable - I have family and friends that live in both cities. I know. Define expensive. Either way, there's a reason why it's more prevalent here. It's because of the lax laws and emboldened criminals.
nadiamendell Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: This has nothing to do with housing. Housing is expensive in Austin as well. Why don't I hear similar stories from there? To say this has nothing to do with cost of living is ridiculous. Why do you think people steal?
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, nadiamendell said: To say this has nothing to do with cost of living is ridiculous. Why do you think people steal? They steal because they can. If they steal in a red state like this, they'll be shot dead.
nadiamendell Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) Also: https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator/compare/austin-tx-vs-san-francisco-ca Cost of living in San Francisco vs. Austin, TX: Quote The cost of living is 86% higher in San Francisco, CA And housing costs are 180% higher. Please sit down. Edited June 18, 2023 by nadiamendell
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) Same thing happening in Chicago as well... If people still don't acknowledge that tougher actions need to be taken to prevent theft, you'll never ever be able to tackle this. It's quite sad because law abiding citizens are caught in the crossfire. Edited June 18, 2023 by Monster Megamind 1
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