nostalgia Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Both were the alternative darlings of the 90s and kickstarted the new wave of female singer songwriters in pop rock alt. Both have been praised for their lyricism and intelligence as well weaponizing the female experience in a way not seen before in the mainstream. Both were putted against each other along their other peers like Fiona Apples and PJ Harvey. Yet why is it that Analis was more connected to the GeePee than Tori and experienced not only commercial success but larger acclaim with her 90s work? If Tori chose to be more "palatable" to the GeePee, would she have been more loved and bigger? If Tori Amos cross over to more pop rock territory ala Jagged Little Pill, would it have worked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TayLord Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Not Analis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleDance Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 90's 65 Tori Amos 61 82 66 Bonnie "Prince" Billy 44 186 67 Yo La Tengo 52 110 68 Spiritualized 48 145 69 Depeche Mode 90 49 70 Guns N' Roses 78 63 71 Alanis Morissette 84 56 http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/top_artists/t1990.htm Tori's records are also much more acclaimed on RYM, MC, AOTY.. While Alanis's projects have pretty much all been panned bar JLP Edited May 30, 2023 by GentleDance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karla Cabello Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 because tori really didnt make commercial music. alanis is a lot more gp-friendly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAg Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Analis queen Tori queen too but her albums have a good amount of fillers on each of them (other than the first two). I think that's why I've had a hard time fully getting into her. Father Lucifer is a LEGENDARY baroque pop song, Kate would be so f*cking proud of that if she ever listens to music that isn't from like 1800s I also prefer her live performances over her studio stuffffff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToMmY Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Because Alanis is better and a lot less pretentious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katamari Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Analis sold out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repelex Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Analis outtalented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodflowers. Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Both legends! Let me stream their best 2000s songs "This Grudge" and "Pancake" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAg Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Alanis feels like she was able to adhere to conventional pop forms while still having thought-provoking and interesting lyrics, while Tori was never concerned about making pure pop (at least not until the mid 2000s lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleDance Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bloodflowers. said: Both legends! Let me stream their best 2000s songs "This Grudge" and "Pancake" Taste but Viriginia, Gold Dust, Carbon >> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostalgia Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, JoeAg said: Alanis feels like she was able to adhere to conventional pop forms while still having thought-provoking and interesting lyrics, while Tori was never concerned about making pure pop (at least not until the mid 2000s lol) Tori has always been jealous of Alanis. In the video in the OP, she often looks shadily at Alanis when she explains her process and thinks that she is more superior than her in a way… that’s why she tried to replicate and commercialize her music, but it was ultimately too late. *gif of Tori Amos side eyeing Analis* Edited May 30, 2023 by nostalgia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy Jensen Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Because she makes better music and could actually appeal to casual listeners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishtail Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Because Jagged Little Pill sh!ts on Tori’s entire catalog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleDance Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, nostalgia said: Tori has always been jealous of Alanis. In the video in the OP, she often looks shadily at Alanis when she explains her process and thinks that she is more superior than her in a way… that’s why she tried to replicate and commercialize her music, but it was ultimately too late. *gif of Tori Amos side eyeing Analis* They've only had great things to say about each other throughout the years, what in the fanfic Didn't realise there were so many Tori haters on Atrl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator Samson Posted May 30, 2023 ATRL Moderator Share Posted May 30, 2023 One made poppier music than the other. It isn't surprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostalgia Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, GentleDance said: They've only had great things to say about each other throughout the years, what in the fanfic Didn't realise there were so many Tori haters on Atrl Quote A long time ago, when both were at the heights of their career, both Alanis and singer Tori Amos had quite the feud going. When Amos first heard Jagged Little Pill, she said it “made her ears hurt” and Alanis decided to confront her about it when they both toured together. https://thedent.com/torialanis.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleDance Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, nostalgia said: https://thedent.com/torialanis.html Quote "I really like her. She's such a good person. I like her as a person a lot. I like the songwriting and I think I like her singing but I've got to tell you, I have a hard time listening to that record, just on a sonic level. It would make a dog's ears hurt. I hate records that have so much high end and no bottom." A bit of context. As you can see from the link you've provided, they've only showed love to each other ever since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBC Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Because people confuse Tori and Tory and cancel her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAg Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, GentleDance said: A bit of context. As you can see from the link you've provided, they've only showed love to each other ever since wow now THAT'S queen behavior two talented, underrated legends (at least in today's popsphere!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Trees Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Tori and Alanis are both as relevant commercially as each other now so I would say it hardly even matters anymore. Tori's abilities maintained her fanbase while no shade, but Alanis' base was mostly those who watched MTV and bought in to whatever they played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshwark Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I don't know but SFIJ is full of gems to discover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The7thStranger Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) With all due respect to Tori, she's never released anything quite as well-crafted as Jagged Little Pill (and the nasty comments she's made about the record since made her jealousy known). Also, her lyrics and vocal style are acquired tastes, and her music is not necessarily inviting. To be honest, Tori has always had this "artiste" thing about her that I think rubs people the wrong way. She has some stellar records, but she's always had a much higher opinion of her work than is perhaps warranted. Edited May 30, 2023 by The7thStranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodflowers. Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 45 minutes ago, The7thStranger said: With all due respect to Tori, she's never released anything quite as well-crafted as Jagged Little Pill (and the nasty comments she's made about the record since made her jealousy known). Also, her lyrics and vocal style are acquired tastes, and her music is not necessarily inviting. To be honest, Tori has always had this "artiste" thing about her that I think rubs people the wrong way. She has some stellar records, but she's always had a much higher opinion of her work than is perhaps warranted. "Liquid Diamonds" alone eats up everything from Jagged Little Pill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The7thStranger Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Bloodflowers. said: "Liquid Diamonds" alone eats up everything from Jagged Little Pill I mean, we love the Choirgirl Hotel. But I stand by what I said. Tori has never given us anything as perfect as JLP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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