poll Taylor Swift vs Beyoncé, better performer in 2023?

[TeeJay]

2 minutes ago, Sugden said:

taylor isnt even a better performer than a cardboard cutout of gaga

be serious

Can you really look at the mess that was the born this way ball or enigma and say that gaga is a great performer? Like for real, be serious lmao. She had so much potential from 2008-2010 but everything went downhill after that

[Gaia]

I’ve seen performances for both tours and Taylor is much more enjoyable to watch at this point. Beyoncé is just swaying side to side in fully dance tracks. It’s weird

[Sugden]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

For example, Lana del Rey is the best performer of the 20th century and she can't dance for her life. It's just how things work. 

lana del rey is what now  literally haf of her career was people mocking how she performed

[Bears01]

1 minute ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

I’m not deflecting nor am I insinuating Beyonce isn’t the performer of our generation and extremely successful. I’m just diminishing the point that anyone who sells a lot is equivalent to McDonalds, when the appeal of McDonalds is their low prices, not the quality of the food. McDonalds comparisons don’t work for artists who have higher than average profit/revenues from their music ventures.

 

TL;DR sorry if I struck a nerve, I’m not insulting Beyonce I was just trying to defend Taylor. this thread is dumb and the two women are both immensely successful and I hate to see them being pitted against each other, but this site thrives off of that sadly.

That’s fair, but to see Swifties Try and say “Taylor’s tour sold out faster so she’s the better performer” is a horrendous argument and that was my point 

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

For example, Lana del Rey is the best performer of the 20th century and she can't dance for her life. It's just how things work. 

…….you’re better off just talking about streams and sales at this point

[Devin]

Its Swifties not winning the vocal, dance, or stage prescene argument so they resorting to cOnNecTiNg WiTh tHe aUdiEnCe 

 

[Badgalbriel]

What should measure how good a performance is is not the dancing abilities of the performer but the emotional connection. How many people cry to Taylor songs and how many are crying to Bey songs during their latest tours? Music is made to be felt and cried to, not to be twerked to. 

[Carla Rosón]

20 minutes ago, TeeJay said:

"Better" is largely subjective. But if you wanna go there, there are FAR more people wanting to see taylor live than beyonce

This happens only in the US. And they just want to see her because she's the more popular artist atm, plain and simple.

[chaklux]

1 hour ago, TeeJay said:

i've been saying this for years but that's not a conversation that the hive wants to have. According to them beyonce's dancing is something super impressive when any girl with a booty could do exactly what she does.

 

Your obsession and dislike for Beyoncé is concerning. You are in every post trying so hard to discredit her performance. If she is so terrible, why do you bother going for all her yours like you claim. 

[PoisonedIvy]

Just now, Bears01 said:

That’s fair, but to see Swifties Try and say “Taylor’s tour sold out faster so she’s the better performer” is a horrendous argument and that was my point 

Anyone saying Taylor is a better performer than Beyonce is entitled to that opinion. You can see it as wrong all day long but you, and everyone else on this site, shouldn’t take those things so personally. I prefer Taylor’s music vastly to Beyonce and, accordingly, I prefer to keep up with her live performances/tours. But I’m also aware Beyonce is a much stronger vocalist and a much more gifted dancer than Taylor. Two things can be true at once.
 

Now anyone who tries to say either is a bad performer needs to be lashed 

[Badgalbriel]

Just now, Bears01 said:

…….you’re better off just talking about streams and sales at this point

I'm not wrong. Lana could just stay in front of a microphone and her music alone would make be cry my eyes out. This is good performance. 

[Oxygen]

1 minute ago, Badgalbriel said:

What should measure how good a performance is is not the dancing abilities of the performer but the emotional connection. How many people cry to Taylor songs and how many are crying to Bey songs during their latest tours? Music is made to be felt and cried to, not to be twerked to. 

Please stop  

[Starshine]

Nothing about Taylor or her lyrics/storytelling on the piano would move me, because I for one cannot relate to that white woman. Vocals, OUT. Dancing, OUT for me. Great for those who do.

 

I don't enjoy/connect to Gaga's music and yet I find her to be one of the best performers out there, because she can do much more than the bare minimum.  

[Sugden]

3 minutes ago, TeeJay said:

Can you really look at the mess that was the born this way ball or enigma and say that gaga is a great performer? Like for real, be serious lmao. She had so much potential from 2008-2010 but everything went downhill after that

gaga has energy, vocals, connects with the public, has stage presence... she might not be the best dancer but she at least she tries

literally what more do you need as a performer, but what would you know about performance anywways you're a britney stan

at her peak she spent the whole show pointing and walking on stage and you guys act like she was the greatest dancer ever

Edited May 15, 2023 by Sugden

[Kristie Kuwa]

1 minute ago, Badgalbriel said:

What should measure how good a performance is is not the dancing abilities of the performer but the emotional connection. How many people cry to Taylor songs and how many are crying to Bey songs during their latest tours? Music is made to be felt and cried to, not to be twerked to. 

Such a stupid take. I hate depressive music, I ADORE the ectatic feeling Bey can create, the sexuality and sensuality, the power, the PRIDE. Taylor can dream of evoking that with her 1 pony shtick

[suneclipse121]

7 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Numbers are irrelevant to this discussion. 

We should be talking about who can connect better with their audience. That's the better performance. No one cares about dance moves. 

So because Taylor can’t quantifiably stump Beyoncé on natural singing and physical ability we have to resort to a completely subjective “audience connection”. Please be serious 

 

The question posed in this thread was who was the better performer not who connected better with their audience. And even then as someone who has seen Beyoncé six times I can say she connects with her audience plenty. Which is why she continues to sell out stadiums. 

Edited May 15, 2023 by suneclipse121

[TeeJay]

2 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

…….you’re better off just talking about streams and sales at this point

LMAO this ******* killed me. Yall are just cracking me up today :D

[Badgalbriel]

Just now, Kristie Kuwa said:

Such a stupid take. I hate depressive music, I ADORE the ectatic feeling Bey can create, the sexuality and sensuality, the power, the PRIDE. Taylor can dream of evoking that with her 1 pony shtick

So maybe what should define how good a performance is is by how people connect to it, then? I connect to sadness more, you connect to high energy. 

[Shelter]

4 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

For example, Lana del Rey is the best performer of the 20th century and she can't dance for her life. It's just how things work. 

Lana, the best performer, who the hell said this? I think some of you are just not okay. 

[dnboy1]

2 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

What should measure how good a performance is is not the dancing abilities of the performer but the emotional connection. How many people cry to Taylor songs and how many are crying to Bey songs during their latest tours? Music is made to be felt and cried to, not to be twerked to. 

Are you serious or you're trolling right now? 

Music is meant to form whatever connection you want to feel. Whether it makes you cry, twerk, fight someone, or simply just bop your head to while you're working...it's a connection. 

[Proseductice]

Beyoncé. 

[Badgalbriel]

Just now, suneclipse121 said:

So because Taylor can’t quantifiably stump Beyoncé on natural singing and physical ability we have to resort to a completely subjective “audience connection”. Please be serious 

 

The question posed in this thread was who was the better performer not who connected better with their audience. And even then as someone who has seen Beyoncé six times I can say she connects with her audience plenty. Which is why she continues to sell out stadiums. 

You guys talk about cultural impact every day when someone talks about objective goals and somehow now you want to be objective? 

[chaklux]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

What should measure how good a performance is is not the dancing abilities of the performer but the emotional connection. How many people cry to Taylor songs and how many are crying to Bey songs during their latest tours? Music is made to be felt and cried to, not to be twerked to. 

This sound dumb.  There is no one way to enjoy a performance. Some people just want to go and groove not go cry. Taylor has more fans

 

1 minute ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

Anyone saying Taylor is a better performer than Beyonce is entitled to that opinion. You can see it as wrong all day long but you, and everyone else on this site, shouldn’t take those things so personally. I prefer Taylor’s music vastly to Beyonce and, accordingly, I prefer to keep up with her live performances/tours. But I’m also aware Beyonce is a much stronger vocalist and a much more gifted dancer than Taylor. Two things can be true at once.
 

Now anyone who tries to say either is a bad performer needs to be lashed 

Taylor is a super talented songwriter, a mediocre singer and a  terrible performer. 

[Khal]

Taylor can't even stay on-key to save her life. At least Bey with limited choreo has been delivering on stellar vocals, let's be serious

[Sugden]

reminder that singing a buch of rom com clichê lyrics on boring ballad is not the only way the audience can conect with you as a performer either