event Eurovision Song Contest 2024 | Switzerland wins!

[Dante]

Semifinals should be 30% Tele and 70% Jury

Finals should be 30% Jury and 70% Tele

[Eric.]

6 minutes ago, zzmyth said:

But let people vote for free on the apps. 

 

Also... I think that another way to make everything fairer is avoid mass voting. 20 votes per phone seems too much in my eyes.

I don't think it can be free because they use your card to identify your country. At least that's how it works for ROTW. 

And it's actually 20 votes per card, so I do agree that the 20 votes is just a huge cash grab. It wouldn't make a difference if people had up to 10 votes instead of 20.
 

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[Shelter]

Ukraine's song is catchy. I'm not surprised it did well 

[zzmyth]

4 minutes ago, Hurem said:

I don't have any issue with Switzerland winning the jury vote, I think most of us knew it was going to happen. What's really discouraging is that, for the second year in a row, the jury winner had such a big lead that it was next to impossible for anyone to overtake its first place. Having the overall winner end up 5th with the public is kinda putting the competition in negative light. Why should people spend their money if they have no actual power? As much as I agree that juries are needed in the competition to balance out neighbor voting, immigration influence, etc., they will always prefer Western countries over Eastern/Southern Europe, which makes me think it's time for a revision of the voting system.

 

Next year's Eurovision might be the smallest in a while. I don't see the Netherlands returning so easily, and Croatia losing to a rich country will probably put off Eastern countries to some extent.

Let's be honest... Switzerland was #5 in the televote by 1 point... And #2 was absolutely rigged. 

 

In a normal world it would have been #3. 

 

Also in a normal world... Juries would not have had the obligation of awarding one country that much in order to bigger mess not happening... So the jury would've been closer... But people would have also have voted freely and the +300 votes for Israel would've been divided in all the rest. 

 

So yeah... Croatia probably would've won then... But so could have Ukraine or even France TBH. 

 

The problem with these situations is that everything would have changed. Not only one. 

[Both Sides Now]

For context,

 

Loreen was 133 points behind Käärijä in the popular vote. 

 

Nemo was 111 points behind Baby Lasagna in the popular vote. 
 

The posters here complaining about their relative position can't seem to count points which are the more important metric lol. 

[Eric.]

At least this year I was wise enough to only vote in the final.

[Dante]

It should be 1 vote per person. 20 is too much.

[SevenFootSounds]

Joost Klein had over 2.5 million streams with his song Europapa yesterday and is #38 on Spotify's Top 50 songs playlist.
 

"Only" 750.000 of those streams came from NL, before we get into that again…

 

 https://www.puna.nl/news/joost-klein-verpulvert-spotify-record-en-scoort-hoogst-genoteerde-nederlandstalige-track-ooit-in-wereldwijde-spotify-top-50?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR33JRe735cD-E_HAninPTNaO4GybrxmUYqJeO-Jr747JNDtZ7pmg5Hhl-w_aem_AZvry6iYPr8CsNxyhZa0AZ8whWFWGqncz4gkH5LRMSdzKphUCT8Zna20A-CwMpSHTfaERQb8lcCEpE_bl-JdLaRZ

[Green Tea Is Green]

Wasn't gonna bring it up but... Croatia got 3rd in the juries, they got ENOUGH help for the kind of song it is, putting them over stuff like Ukraine, Ireland, Portugal, Sweden (and to a lesser extent Italy since the staging wasn't as sleek as it could've been) should tell you enough 

If anything blame Israel for stealing televote points from him, but even then, he should be thankful Joost got disqualified, it's a lot of whataboutism

[OnlyManInTheWorld]

Shoulda woulda coulda. It is what it is and the truth is one of the best vocal performances of the night won. Eurovision doesn't need songs like Rim Tim digi digi as winners. I feel like Kaarja ruined this year's contest. Too many acts tried to appeal to the public the way he did. Time to bring the jury back to the semis. It not, we'll have more Croatias, Finlands, Estonias and Europapas.

[Eric.]

Watch next year's televote winner get 400+ points and still lose the contest to the jury winner by a hair.

[Fevesy]

Last year the public vote was distributed in a way where everyone was voting for Finland/Sweden/Norway and Finland was the outright televote winner by far. Switzerland got more televote points than Norway last year who was 3rd in the televote with the same amount of countries. Idk, relative positions aren't really working out for me.

[velocity]

23 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said:

For context,

 

Loreen was 133 points behind Käärijä in the popular vote. 

 

Nemo was 111 points behind Baby Lasagna in the popular vote. 
 

The posters here complaining about their relative position can't seem to count points which are the more important metric lol. 

that's really not the save you think it is lmao

 

even if nemo was second runner up people would still be angry because the gap is simply too wide for other contestants to catch up when the jury zeroes into one contestant while all the others have to share the rest of the points.

 

if nemo really was this deserving of so many 12s there wouldn't be this much of a controversy. people are rightfully fed up.

[Dante]

these arenas overall seem so small lately

can we go back to 30k audience lmao

[Anthinos]

I'm not a Käärijä fan but I have streamed his song Cha Cha Cha and songs like Rim Tim Tagi Dim, We Will Rave or Europapa much more often than The Code or other jury friendly songs. Eurovision should be fun and since the juries are no longer in the semifinals it is. I'm not against juries as I said but their power should be limited and they shouldn't become a fun killer. Eurovision is still a song contest and not The Voice.

[Both Sides Now]

9 minutes ago, velocity said:

that's really not the save you think it is lmao

 

even if nemo was second runner up people would still be angry because the gap is simply too wide for other contestants to catch up when the jury zeroes into one contestants while all the others have to share the rest of the points.

 

if nemo really was this deserving of so many 12s there wouldn't be this much of a controversy. people are rightfully fed up.

I think you are confused because I would've preferred Baby Lasagna to win 

It's straight up nonsense to complain about Nemo coming fifth but then not having an issue with Loreen winning. In a similar vein, there was an obvious public vote bias of 2022. There's always going to bias and rigging in the public and jury vote. Should we just assign ATRL user velocity to choose the winner? The constant complaining when it doesn't work out in your favour is just childish 

Edited May 12, 2024 by Both Sides Now

[TaylenaStan]

Literally if Slimane didnt botch his jury show performance he would have stolen a bunch of 12s from Switzerland and Croatia could have won 
Oh well, i definitely do agree tho that the jury needs to have a bit less power.. because at the end its supposed to be a fun show for the general public, its not a show to crown the best singer 

[Lemon]

It is far more logical for juries to filter songs from semi finals for the final than public doing it instead. 

 

It should be public/jury in semi finals again or even only jury. Then the final would actually be more interesting. 

[BlueBlue]

This contest was..... something

 

Congrats to Nemo. Music wins 

Luna #12 in semi well.. deserved sadly. I love pop radio friendly songs but it's time for something different. TVP needs to understant that it's not 2015 anymore when swedish english pop was at it's prime at eurovision 

Sad for Joost. Shame on EBU. I agree with most of the results besides that one country that doesn't even deserved to be on scoreboard. Also I would prefer Croatia to win because eurovision in Croatia would be more interesting than another west rich country. Also Czech Republic should qualify instead Norway

 

 

 

[Hurem]

23 minutes ago, Green Tea Is Green said:

Wasn't gonna bring it up but... Croatia got 3rd in the juries, they got ENOUGH help for the kind of song it is, putting them over stuff like Ukraine, Ireland, Portugal, Sweden (and to a lesser extent Italy since the staging wasn't as sleek as it could've been) should tell you enough 

If anything blame Israel for stealing televote points from him, but even then, he should be thankful Joost got disqualified, it's a lot of whataboutism

You can't just point out positions, when the point difference between #1 and #3 was the same as the one between #3 and #12

[nasa]

41 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

I do think we are going to see a reshuffling in the EBU, and definitely an attempt to market this next edition in the contest as a soft reset - being hosted in Switzerland has a lot of symbolic meaning. With Switzerland historically known for its neutrality, and for being the first host of the contest, we will definitely see a "return to our roots" type of marketing. However, unless anything earth shatteringly drastic happens, I don't think we will see the EBU move to reject/ban any country.

I'm excited to see what happens! We need to have a huge shuffle asap. No more Swedish/nordic Executive Supervisor and a much bigger diversity in the Reference Group.

Reference Group right now:

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One Eastern European representative out of 10 isn't cute. 

 

They should change this + ban Israel + find new sponsors. That's like the only way to bring back the Netherlands and attract new countries or those who have withdrawn recently.

[ForgottenSoul]

1 hour ago, velocity said:

why are y'all saying the jury prevented israel from winning when without the jury croatia would have won

 

 

57 minutes ago, zzmyth said:

The way to make everything much cleaner and less messy... 

 

I would give points to every country. From 0 to 25 in the televote. And the jury's vote I would keep it the same way. With 12/10/9...

 

That way people's vote is more balanced but everyone gets awarded even if not as high as Top10 in some countries. 

 

Also.. I feel like televoting and SMS voting in 2024 is outdated AF. 

 

I get that they have to get the money... But put publicity in the apps maybe... But let people vote for free on the apps. 

 

Also... I think that another way to make everything fairer is avoid mass voting. 20 votes per phone seems too much in my eyes. 10 votes is more than enough, and just to be able to vote for more than 1 country, only 5 votes max per person and recipient is more than ok I think. People with a 5 member family and money... Can make 100 votes. And that doesn't make it representative of the public taste. 

Because if Joost was still in the competion he would have most likely stopped both Croatia and Switzerland from winning the competition

 

I just think give jury less share but yeah could allow mass voting and Israel would have won.

 

 

54 minutes ago, velocity said:

that's speculation. croatia was #1 at the odds and we could claim that people who would have voted for joost voted for nemo instead. what matters is that in the end the people made the correct choice with or without the jury

Not really speculation at all because if we assume a lot of Israel's vote is Politics and mass voting then Joost would have stolen a lot of votes from others and Israel win public vote 

Edited May 12, 2024 by ForgottenSoul

[nasa]

Free voting would kill this contest in both quality winners & funds senses  Never never never 

[Fevesy]

I voted for Switzerland and Croatia this year but let's not sit here and pretend Croatia is some runaway mass robbed public winner like last year. Croatia barely won the televote by 14 points and even if we ignore Israhell, the difference between Croatia and 3rd place is 30 points whereas Finland won it by 133 points compared to 2nd. Someone could try to simulate a reality without Israhell and I'd like to see what impact it actually have but I don't have it in me to try to work that out. 

 

I agree that the public vote should have more sway btw. The last two jury segments have been boring to watch from a viewer point of view so that does need changed. After 3 countries I kinda lost excitement even as a Switzerland stan once I realised that Switzerland was about to sweep and Israel was tanking

Edited May 12, 2024 by Fevesy

[*Tim]

I'm still amazed at how Italy comoletely took me by surprise in the final. That new outfit elevated that whole damn performance