event Eurovision Song Contest 2024 | Switzerland wins!

[abelfenty]

Can we stop HARASSING these artists to make statements over something they have NO control over

[Jjang]

9 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

The point is that people can reasonably disagree about forms of protest and you immediately jumping to compare people to Nazi sympathizers is not the rhetorical slam dunk you think it is. It just makes clear your lack of perspective.

Yes, it's me lacking perspective, a Palestinian, for saying these are peak desperate times and there's no time for these discussions anymore, only action. not the plethora of gays in this thread running to characterize this genocide as a gay rights issue.  

Edited March 29, 2024 by Jjang

[Fevesy]

In Olly's specific case this reeks of BBC involvement to me, not trying to defend being on the fence since he shouldn't be but their contracts usually have extremely strict impartially clauses and before he was announced as the Eurovision act he was publicly liking tweets calling Israel an apartheid state and even signed this before the announcement, which caused Zionists and the UK Government to cry to the BBC to get him to cut ties after he was announced

 

https://www.nme.com/news/music/olly-alexander-criticised-for-signing-statement-calling-israel-an-apartheid-state-and-accusing-it-of-genocide-3562288

 

I would find it hard to believe that he would slightly change his tune and become more on the fence over the last 3 months unless he was getting pressure to do or he is really just simply just being selfish and caring about his career. I'll remain hopeful that they and the others are playing the long game not to get warnings from EBU and their broadcasters and do something on the night ala Hatari - however that is < 2 months away which is likely thousands of more citizens in Gaza killed - which is why this letter leaves a bit of a sour taste, if you're gonna acknowledge it, acknowledge it fully.

[Funhouse]

It's a lose-lose situation for the participants at this point. They're backed into a corner, will probably get punished by their broadcaster if they do anything more than this statement but will also get called out by their fanbase/intended audience for not doing enough. Not to mention anything they do in support of Palestine will send the zionist into a tizzy.

 

The EBU is doing a great job at making future Eurovision participation seem as unappealing as possible to artists. Why would anyone want to be a part of this?

[Pendulum]

Non-Eurovision viewers demanding Olly to withdraw is kinda rubbing me the wrong way. I'm all of Israel's disqualification and non-involvement at Eurovision but it is too late at this point. The contest is in a month and a half and at this point all participating countries have spent a lot of money on participation, plus full preparations like rehearsals, staging and whatnot are currently happening. You can't just pull off overnight and there is probably a contract between the national broadcaster and artist, BBC and Olly in this case.

[Pendulum]

You could've made a separate thread instead of polluting the Eurovision base with literal f-words

[FOCK]

55 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

The point is that people can reasonably disagree about forms of protest and you immediately jumping to compare people to Nazi sympathizers is not the rhetorical slam dunk you think it is. It just makes clear your lack of perspective.

The user you're responding to is Palestinian and is telling you - artists dropping out in protest is the action they want. This user is Lebanese, and I'm telling you, artists dropping out is the course of action I'd like to see. An organisation advocating for Queer Palestinians is telling artists, dropping out is what they want to see. 
 

These western saviour complexes and presuming they "know better" what the Palestinians need & want is high key pathological at this rate. 
 

 

Edited March 29, 2024 by FOCK

[Pendulum]

Olly and the other acts who have co-signed this are literally helpless in this situation. Harrassing Eurovision participants is the wrong way and the fandom has been repeating this for months. What would have worked is pressuring each individual broadcaster BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES PARTICIPATING IN THE CONTEST. Artists are just the messenger and/or representative, however you want to put it. 

 

Russia was disqualified after several broadcasters threatened to pull out. 

[Pendulum]

1 hour ago, khalyan said:

I merged the Olly thread with the main Eurovision thread. Today, nine artists released statements about Palestine, not just Olly. Artists like Bambie Thug stated in separate statements that them dropping out would result in one less pro-Palestine voice at the contest and their voices at the contest are the most necessary in protesting Israel and their participation. 

I came in here to post that I bought a Zari single cover tshirt off of RedBubble only to see the non-ESC locals talking about Nazis and throwing f-slurs around asrdfyulgsi

[khalyan]

2 minutes ago, Pendulum said:

I came in here to post that I bought a Zari single cover tshirt off of RedBubble only to see the non-ESC locals talking about Nazis and throwing f-slurs around asrdfyulgsi

Yeah I didn’t know fully either way. I was hoping that by merging the threads, there could be more discussion based on the other acts who signed the letter and more context given to what Olly’s going through. 

[FOCK]

8 minutes ago, Pendulum said:

Non-Eurovision viewers demanding Olly to withdraw is kinda rubbing me the wrong way. I'm all of Israel's disqualification and non-involvement at Eurovision but it is too late at this point. The contest is in a month and a half and at this point all participating countries have spent a lot of money on participation, plus full preparations like rehearsals, staging and whatnot are currently happening. You can't just pull off overnight and there is probably a contract between the national broadcaster and artist, BBC and Olly in this case.

The entire point is that monetary loss & backlash, & making it clear that an association with a genocidal state is unprofitable. 

[khalyan]

Bambie’s statement is really the best anyone can do in this situation

 

[FOCK]

Great. Let's have all these artists get on stage and throw up a peace sign! That'll show 'em! Better yet, one may yell "ceasefire!” * gasps in progressive * 

 

Queue Israeli media labelling Eurovision antisemitic & the artists Hamas sympathisers. 

[Pendulum]

18 minutes ago, FOCK said:

The entire point is that monetary loss & backlash, & making it clear that an association with a genocidal state is unprofitable. 

It is but what can the participants do? It's easy for you to sit behind a screen and scream at people who have no say in anything. Even if EBU genuinely wants to give Israel the boot, Germany will threaten with leaving immediately as they pay the highest annual EBU membership fee and the highest Eurovision participation fee. That would jeopardise the whole contest and EBU in general. 

 

It is too late to do anything now so the least you can do is boycott and don't watch Eurovision if you do watch it, pretend that Israel does not exist. They're already pretty ostracised from the event anyway. They won't attend any pre-parties and ceremonies due to safety concerns. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, FOCK said:

Great. Let's have all these artists get on stage and throw up a peace sign! That'll show 'em! Better yet, one may yell "ceasefire!” * gasps in progressive * 

 

Queue Israeli media labelling Eurovision antisemitic & the artists Hamas sympathisers. 

[FOCK]

6 minutes ago, Pendulum said:

Germany will threaten with leaving immediately as they pay the highest annual EBU membership fee and the highest Eurovision participation fee. That would jeopardise the whole contest and EBU in general. 
 

 

[Pendulum]

1 minute ago, FOCK said:

 

Yeah.. and that is of nobody's interest. Just boycott Eurovision or pretend as if Israel is not participating and move on. Discourse that could've actually have an impact should've happened months ago, not now. Any potential pro-Palestinian entity at this point will be backed into a corner unfortunately. 

[Green Tea Is Green]

The whole excusing genocide cuz its against an anti-lgbt state thing is weird as ****, all states were anti-lgbt at some point, did they deserve to DIE? there'd be no one left atp if that was the case, a state can't evolve towards better rights for all of their people when there's no people left, the amount of dumbasses around is incredible 


In regards of the withdrawing thing, I get it'd be dangerous for one artist to do so but if all these people who chose to made an statement decided to withdraw together things would be very different, the EBU can't afford to lose that many competing countries (and hopefully more joining in) even if Germany isn't happy about kicking out that shithole 

[Dante]

putting Serbia in death spots 3rd year in a row is so xenophobic

 

 

 

 

[supaspaz]

1 hour ago, FOCK said:

The user you're responding to is Palestinian and is telling you - artists dropping out in protest is the action they want. This user is Lebanese, and I'm telling you, artists dropping out is the course of action I'd like to see. An organisation advocating for Queer Palestinians is telling artists, dropping out is what they want to see. 
 

These western saviour complexes and presuming they "know better" what the Palestinians need & want is high key pathological at this rate. 
 

 

Okay, great. No one is telling you not to express your opinion. I disagree that it’s an effective course of action.

[elvenOCEAN]

It is mind boggling to me that so many people would think the EBU -- European Broadcasting Union -- would even consider, let alone actually decide, to ban -- Israel --- out of all the countries, knowing our recent and still very much relevant history. Not to mention the fact that Europe (all of our governments, first and foremost) as a collective firmly stands behind Israel in pretty much everything and will likely never (or at least not in the near future) do anything that could jeopardise the relationship we've established with them.

 

There may be a great deal of people who are (rightfully) outraged at what is happening in Gaza, but there is a decent amount of (less vocal) people (not including those in positions of power) who are firmly on Israel's side in all this.

 

Random artists dropping out of the contest literally wouldn't change anything. If anything, their participation and potential "protest" (in whatever shape or form) during the season/contest might end up more effective.

[sunbathinganimal]

1 hour ago, Pendulum said:

You could've made a separate thread instead of polluting the Eurovision base with literal f-words

I did

[Fevesy]

 

Class of 2024 at the first preparty.

 

Kaleen serving in the neon orange 

[illia]

Omg I almost forgot about the preparties 

[Pendulum]

51 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

 

Class of 2024 at the first preparty.

 

Kaleen serving in the neon orange 

The Latvian guy serving Feyd Rautha from Dune 2 realness  

[Nashe]

Kaleen's fit