St. Charles Posted March 29 Posted March 29 Im kind of confused. Protesting is important insofar as it brings attention and support to a cause that is otherwise being ignored. Who isn't already paying attention to what is going on? What new actions or consequences will come as a result of him dropping out? Wouldn't they just send someone else? (I don't usually follow Eurovision so not sure how it all works). 2
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29 Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Lil' Oz said: Obviously, no one gets a pass with killing anybody regardless of ethnicity, religion or sexuality. However, if one side kills more than the other, that side is objectively worse. What a dumb statement to make but thats normal it seems. 3 1
LittleStarmen Posted March 29 Posted March 29 20 minutes ago, punisher said: it isn't about "anti-lqbt estate" it's about basic ******* humanity dont tell me you support the deaths of 30,000+ people because it occurred in an anti-gay country So what is Queers for Palestine plan in the ceasefire starts and Hamas gets back into full power? Help queer people move to israel ? 1 2
FOCK Posted March 29 Posted March 29 (edited) 9 minutes ago, St. Charles said: What new actions or consequences will come as a result of him dropping out? Wouldn't they just send someone else? The more pressure the international community places on Israel by disassociating, the less they can maintain their unhinged operations, distract from their crimes against humanity & contempt of international law. It's quite late in the process to replace with somebody else, and even if they did, the ask of that representative would be the same. This request was seemingly made to several performers. Edited March 29 by FOCK 1
State of Grace. Posted March 29 Posted March 29 19 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said: Do queer people's lives only matter when they are useful for your arguments? The ******* irony of Zionists saying this 2 1
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29 Posted March 29 5 minutes ago, St. Charles said: Im kind of confused. Protesting is important insofar as it brings attention and support to a cause that is otherwise being ignored. Who isn't already paying attention to what is going on? What new actions or consequences will come as a result of him dropping out? Wouldn't they just send someone else? (I don't usually follow Eurovision so not sure how it all works). People online want to feel important and act like they are doing something, protesting and shouting at people makes them feel important when they are affecting nothing. Him dropping out achieves nothing but give the so-called Isreal defenders a bigger platform. You should understand these people are not the smartest and cant critically think. 3 1
Jjang Posted March 29 Posted March 29 7 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: lmfao, imagine believing that. is Israel deliberately starving only straight Palestinians to death or am I missing something? Anyway, comments here have been disappointing so far. I can't believe that after 6 months of a literal genocide being broadcasted like a black mirror episode for the entire world to watch ATRLers and other "liberals" alike still can't mentally grasp that we're in beyond desperately urgent and critical times. Anything is needed. Any statement is valued. Like, if genocide isn't the red line. WHAT IS? 2 1
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29 Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, FOCK said: The more pressure the international community places on Israel by disassociating, the less they can maintain their unhinged operations. It's quite late in the process to replace with somebody else, and even if they did, the ask of that representative would be the same. This request was seemingly made to several performers. Yeah, so hows that working so far? Israel seems to be listening to you guys right? Nothing matters apart from America stopping military support which they won't do and even then Israel wont stop. 1
Both Sides Now Posted March 29 Posted March 29 (edited) 34 minutes ago, supaspaz said: It's not a reasonable or fair demand to make of him. What would dropping out even accomplish? Russia got kicked out when the broadcasters threatened to drop out because of their inclusion. If all the artists dropped out because of the genocide in Gaza it would at least pressure EBU. I don't think it's a difficult concept to understand considering the Israeli song is literally about seeking retribution for October 7th. Olly should have just sat there and ate his food though. These mealy-mouthed statements are beyond pointless after 6 months of genocide. Edited March 29 by Both Sides Now 4
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29 Posted March 29 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jjang said: is Israel deliberately starving only straight Palestinians to death or am I missing something? Anyway, comments here have been disappointing so far. I can't believe that after 6 months of a literal genocide being broadcasted like a black mirror episode for the entire world to watch ATRLers and other "liberals" alike still can't mentally grasp that we're in beyond desperately urgent and critical times. Anything is needed. Any statement is valued. Like, if genocide isn't the red line. WHAT IS? How many gay people do you think are in Palestine? Let me guess 10k of the 30k dead were gay right? The fact people are allowing a extreme state that treats gays like crap to use "gays" to push their **** is sad but also hilarious. Israel should be kicked out and should have been months ago but that's not really on Olly. Edited March 29 by ForgottenSoul 4
Scandalous Posted March 29 Posted March 29 (edited) people mad at him for not rejecting a huge opportunity grow up! this expectation for celebrities to protest has gotten so out of hand Edited March 29 by Scandalous 2
FOCK Posted March 29 Posted March 29 1 minute ago, ForgottenSoul said: How many gay people do you think are in Palestine? Let me guess 10k of the 30k dead were gay right? You're actually rotted. 9
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29 Posted March 29 Just now, FOCK said: You're actually rotted. So are you for pushing an extreme state that hates and kills gays but here we are. They don't deserve to all die but they are still not a state I would feel great supporting like so many seemingly are. I can support peace without trying to clean up Palestine's disgusting views. 2 3
Jjang Posted March 29 Posted March 29 Just now, ForgottenSoul said: How many gay people do you think are in Palestine? Let me guess 10k of the 30k dead were gay right? you think you're slick avoiding the point like that? No matter how many they are, ALL of them are indiscriminately being starved to death right now by Israel. There are no special aid trucks for Palestinian gays.
Both Sides Now Posted March 29 Posted March 29 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: So are you for pushing an extreme state that hates and kills gays but here we are. They don't deserve to all die but they are still not a state I would feel great supporting like so many seemingly are. I can support peace without trying to clean up Palestine's disgusting views. The brain rot of thinking that Palestinians deserve a genocide because Hamas are homophobic is just… I suppose we should drop a nuke on 50% of America which is also homophobic? This should be a ZTP. By the way, if you ever visit Israel - don't go outside of Tel Aviv. You might wish a genocide for Israelis when you see there are tons of ultra-homophobic Israelis in East Jerusalem, the settlements etc. Edited March 29 by Both Sides Now 8 1
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29 Posted March 29 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said: The brain rot of thinking that Palestinians deserve a genocide because Hamas are homophobic is just… I suppose we should drop a nuke on 50% of America which is also homophobic? This should be a ZTP. By the way, if you ever visit Israel - don't go outside of Tel Aviv. You might wish a genocide for Israelis when you see there are tons of ultra-homophobic Jews. Where did I say they deserve genocide? I made a point to say they don't deserve to die for having those views. You accuse people of having brain rot when you literally can't read or just lie to push your bullshit views. Peace would be great but that doesn't mean I want to support Palestine or their extreme views. I never wished for their genocide or said they deserve genocide but that's the issue with Palestine supporters they can only talk extremes and sides, you're either a Palestine supporter or a Zionist. You can support Peace and two-state solution without trying to clear up their disgusting views. Edited March 29 by ForgottenSoul 2 2
LittleStarmen Posted March 29 Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Both Sides Now said: The brain rot of thinking that Palestinians deserve a genocide because Hamas are homophobic is just… I suppose we should drop a nuke on 50% of America which is also homophobic? Nobody is wishing for a genocide/war to continue. Its pretty clear a ceasefire/peace treat is the goal. However it's difficult to take "Queers for Palestine" serious when are demanding performative action when their platform is just a performative action aswell
State of Grace. Posted March 29 Posted March 29 12 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: How many gay people do you think are in Palestine? Let me guess 10k of the 30k dead were gay right? Can I get kicked out of the LGBTQ+ community because I refuse to be associated with GHOULS like this. Or even vetter, can aliens ******* wipe us all already 1 1 1 1
greeneyedsoul Posted March 29 Posted March 29 (edited) Salvador Sobral got a warning by the EBU for mentioning migrants once turing Eurovision "for being too political". Y'all believe the EBU will allow them to talk about Palestine freely all of the time? Edited March 29 by greeneyedsoul 1
State of Grace. Posted March 29 Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, sunbathinganimal said: Jessie Ware liking it Of course she did 1
Jjang Posted March 29 Posted March 29 (edited) 3 minutes ago, greeneyedsoul said: Salvador Sobral got a warning by the EBU for mentioning migrants once turing Eurovision "for being too political". Y'all believe the EBU will allow them to talk about Palestine freely all of the time? ... which is why collectively dropping out as a protest against an ongoing Holocaust is what the people are demanding. Imagine if this thread was made during the Nazi Germany Olympics ATRL would have been like LET THEM COMPETE WHO CARES Edited March 29 by Jjang 1 1 1
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted March 29 ATRL Moderator Posted March 29 44 minutes ago, FOCK said: You can't appreciate the significance & optics of the UK essentially dropping out of Eurovision, in protest against a genocide? It wouldn't be the UK, though. It would be Olly Alexander, which is not an actionable statement from a government with actual power to make a difference in this situation. That's why I don't think it's a fair position to put him in. Sure, it's an easier pressure campaign to get an artist to drop out of Eurovision, but the only one who loses anything is Olly Alexander. It won't make any meaningful step toward resolving the war in Gaza. 2
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted March 29 ATRL Moderator Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Jjang said: Imagine if this thread was made during the Nazi Germany Olympics ATRL would have been like LET THEM COMPETE WHO CARES Well, the fact that you can't appreciate the difference between an Olympics literally organized by Hitler as propaganda for his regime and a singing competition in which Israel is one of dozens of competitors speaks volumes.
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