Reflektor Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 We're so beyond the point of accepting mealy-mouthed statements. Just say nothing and make your money if that's your perogative. Also Queers for Palestine is doing a lot of work not only to call for a ceasefire in the recognition that liberation for all is the only way we can all truly work to both social and personal freedom, but also to amplify voices of queer Palestinians (because yes, there are queer people in Palestine). 5 2 2
KingWitch Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 14 minutes ago, punisher said: god i hate people with a mindset like this, "removing myself won't bring together our shared goal" like of course your irrelevant ass won't bring a ceasefire he's missing the wholeee message So hes "irrelevant" but still important enough for you to care about him doing something? Anyway good on him for not missing out on this once in a lifetime opportunity to please other people who won't do anything for him because he's "irrelevant".
FOCK Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 Olly, wtf. "Use our platform to come together and call for peace" is inconsequential, performative & tone deaf at this stage into a genocide. What's required is immediate action. Boycotting & divesting. Artists dropping out is an infinitely more impactful message. There is no show without performers. That should be the shared goal. I love Olly, and I'd honestly rather he said nothing than to put out such a bs statement. It's not even as though he's some struggling artist who wouldn't manage without this appearance. 7 1 1
LittleStarmen Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 The Mental gynastics of wanting a gay UK singer to boycott a competition in Sweden because a queer organization supports an anti lgbtq+ estate 4 4 8
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted March 29, 2024 ATRL Moderator Posted March 29, 2024 It’s not a reasonable or fair demand to make of him. What would dropping out even accomplish? 6
illia Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 19 minutes ago, Illuminati said: Wouldn't the UK just send someone else instead of him? Yes but it's too late now. If he drops out, the UK drops out
State of Grace. Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 1 minute ago, LittleStarmen said: The Mental gynastics of wanting a gay UK singer to boycott a competition in Sweden because a queer organization supports an anti lgbtq+ estate Israel has been bombing, murdering, and starving LGBTQ+ Palestinians for months. Thoughts? Do queer people's lives only matter when they're white? 7 1
punisher Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said: The Mental gynastics of wanting a gay UK singer to boycott a competition in Sweden because a queer organization supports an anti lgbtq+ estate it isn't about "anti-lqbt estate" it's about basic ******* humanity dont tell me you support the deaths of 30,000+ people because it occurred in an anti-gay country 3 1
FOCK Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, supaspaz said: It's not a reasonable or fair demand to make of him. What would dropping out even accomplish? You can't appreciate the significance & optics of the UK essentially dropping out of Eurovision, in protest against a genocide? 3
Lil' Oz Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 5 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said: The Mental gynastics of wanting a gay UK singer to boycott a competition in Sweden because a queer organization supports an anti lgbtq+ estate Literally 50% of Gazans are children. This is not about your Eurocentric white ass, this is about humanity. Shut the **** up, and educate yourself. My God, stop making everything about yourself!!! 3 2
LittleStarmen Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 1 minute ago, State of Grace. said: Israel has been bombing, murdering, and starving LGBTQ+ Palestinians for months. Thoughts? Do queer people's lives only matter when they're white? Hamas has been murdering LGBTQ+ palestinian for years. Thoughts? Do queer people's lives only matter when they are useful for your arguments? 4 3 1
Lil' Oz Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said: Hamas has been murdering LGBTQ+ palestinian for years. Thoughts? Do queer people's lives only matter when they are useful for your arguments? Israel kills more Palestinian gays than Hamas does. Do you care about that? Or do queer people's lives only matter when they are useful for your Zionist propaganda? 1 2
igninton Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Lil' Oz said: Israel kills more Palestinian gays than Hamas does. Do you care about that? Or do queer people's lives only matter when they are useful for your Zionist propaganda? Oh this is not... We can recognise and acknowledge both are in the wrong here without resorting to "X kills more than Y, so we should give Y a pass". Thanks. 1 1
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Lil' Oz said: Israel kills more Palestinian gays than Hamas does. Do you care about that? Or do queer people's lives only matter when they are useful for your Zionist propaganda? lmfao, imagine believing that. You don't care about lives either let's be real 300k people can die in Yemen and I didn't see anywhere near the amount of outrage. Edited March 29, 2024 by ForgottenSoul 3 1
Lil' Oz Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 Just now, igninton said: Oh this is not... We can recognise and acknowledge both are in the wrong here without resorting to "X kills more than Y, so we should give Y a pass". Thanks. Obviously, no one gets a pass with killing anybody regardless of ethnicity, religion or sexuality. However, if one side kills more than the other, that side is objectively worse. 1
St. Charles Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 Im kind of confused. Protesting is important insofar as it brings attention and support to a cause that is otherwise being ignored. Who isn't already paying attention to what is going on? What new actions or consequences will come as a result of him dropping out? Wouldn't they just send someone else? (I don't usually follow Eurovision so not sure how it all works). 2
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Lil' Oz said: Obviously, no one gets a pass with killing anybody regardless of ethnicity, religion or sexuality. However, if one side kills more than the other, that side is objectively worse. What a dumb statement to make but thats normal it seems. 3 1
LittleStarmen Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 20 minutes ago, punisher said: it isn't about "anti-lqbt estate" it's about basic ******* humanity dont tell me you support the deaths of 30,000+ people because it occurred in an anti-gay country So what is Queers for Palestine plan in the ceasefire starts and Hamas gets back into full power? Help queer people move to israel ? 1 2
FOCK Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 (edited) 9 minutes ago, St. Charles said: What new actions or consequences will come as a result of him dropping out? Wouldn't they just send someone else? The more pressure the international community places on Israel by disassociating, the less they can maintain their unhinged operations, distract from their crimes against humanity & contempt of international law. It's quite late in the process to replace with somebody else, and even if they did, the ask of that representative would be the same. This request was seemingly made to several performers. Edited March 29, 2024 by FOCK 1
State of Grace. Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 19 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said: Do queer people's lives only matter when they are useful for your arguments? The ******* irony of Zionists saying this 2 1
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 5 minutes ago, St. Charles said: Im kind of confused. Protesting is important insofar as it brings attention and support to a cause that is otherwise being ignored. Who isn't already paying attention to what is going on? What new actions or consequences will come as a result of him dropping out? Wouldn't they just send someone else? (I don't usually follow Eurovision so not sure how it all works). People online want to feel important and act like they are doing something, protesting and shouting at people makes them feel important when they are affecting nothing. Him dropping out achieves nothing but give the so-called Isreal defenders a bigger platform. You should understand these people are not the smartest and cant critically think. 3 1
Jjang Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 7 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: lmfao, imagine believing that. is Israel deliberately starving only straight Palestinians to death or am I missing something? Anyway, comments here have been disappointing so far. I can't believe that after 6 months of a literal genocide being broadcasted like a black mirror episode for the entire world to watch ATRLers and other "liberals" alike still can't mentally grasp that we're in beyond desperately urgent and critical times. Anything is needed. Any statement is valued. Like, if genocide isn't the red line. WHAT IS? 2 1
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, FOCK said: The more pressure the international community places on Israel by disassociating, the less they can maintain their unhinged operations. It's quite late in the process to replace with somebody else, and even if they did, the ask of that representative would be the same. This request was seemingly made to several performers. Yeah, so hows that working so far? Israel seems to be listening to you guys right? Nothing matters apart from America stopping military support which they won't do and even then Israel wont stop. 1
Both Sides Now Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 (edited) 34 minutes ago, supaspaz said: It's not a reasonable or fair demand to make of him. What would dropping out even accomplish? Russia got kicked out when the broadcasters threatened to drop out because of their inclusion. If all the artists dropped out because of the genocide in Gaza it would at least pressure EBU. I don't think it's a difficult concept to understand considering the Israeli song is literally about seeking retribution for October 7th. Olly should have just sat there and ate his food though. These mealy-mouthed statements are beyond pointless after 6 months of genocide. Edited March 29, 2024 by Both Sides Now 4
ForgottenSoul Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jjang said: is Israel deliberately starving only straight Palestinians to death or am I missing something? Anyway, comments here have been disappointing so far. I can't believe that after 6 months of a literal genocide being broadcasted like a black mirror episode for the entire world to watch ATRLers and other "liberals" alike still can't mentally grasp that we're in beyond desperately urgent and critical times. Anything is needed. Any statement is valued. Like, if genocide isn't the red line. WHAT IS? How many gay people do you think are in Palestine? Let me guess 10k of the 30k dead were gay right? The fact people are allowing a extreme state that treats gays like crap to use "gays" to push their **** is sad but also hilarious. Israel should be kicked out and should have been months ago but that's not really on Olly. Edited March 29, 2024 by ForgottenSoul 4
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