discussion 79% of Biden voters want Democratic Party to hold primary debates

[Helios]

50 minutes ago, Bloodflowers. said:

 

What does that have to do with me responding to your comment about not worrying who Republicans send because they are crazy or whatever when clearly the people would still vote for a crazy person into the office as we have history to show that as such was the case in the not so distant pass, but looks like I hit a deep spot with a Clinton stan

 

Because that crazy person is Trump. 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Helios said:

Because that crazy person is Trump. 

...you mean a former election winner?

[Helios]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

...you mean a former election winner?

Yes? Do you think people still have the same view of Trump in 2023 that they had in 2016? Like we warned everyone about Trump but I dont think ANY of us knew how bad it would be. I mean I knew it would be a disaster but disaster is an understatement for his presidency. It was literal HELL. I dont think anybody wants to go back to that.  

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, Helios said:

I dont think anybody wants to go back to that. 

...he almost won in 2020? 

[Helios]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

...he almost won in 2020? 

And we have still had to deal with his ugly orange a** doing even more criminial s*** since then. We are TIRED. Lets not pretend that the climate is the same as it was back then.  

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, Helios said:

Lets not pretend that the climate is the same as it was back then. 

...polls have Biden winning against Trump on average by 2%, which would mean an EC loss for Biden?? 

[GraceRandolph]

31 minutes ago, Helios said:

And we have still had to deal with his ugly orange a** doing even more criminial s*** since then. We are TIRED. Lets not pretend that the climate is the same as it was back then.  

Trump still has an enthusiastic base of support. Plus the electoral college always benefits Republicans.

[Eat The Acid]

RJK would easily win the nomination if he dares debate. Marianne is too progressive for the conservative democratic voter base, sadly.  

[Eat The Acid]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

...polls have Biden winning against Trump on average by 2%, which would mean an EC loss for Biden?? 

Joe would undoubtedly lose against Trump in 2024. In fact, Joe is going to lose in general. He’s been an uninspiring president who’s not made due on any of his progressive promises. He will fail to inspire the democrats to come out and vote again, independent will vote 3rd party in protest, while republicans will come out in force to remove the democrats from the White House. There’s no doubt Biden will lose the 2024 election imo. 

[Eat The Acid]

6 hours ago, Helios said:

Because that crazy person is Trump. 

Sis Trump marginally lost in 2020 when democrats were fired up to vote. Democrats will not vote in same numbers in 2024. Trump can easily win the election in 2024. This complacency and arrogance of “he’s crazy” “he’s a reality TV star” is what caused Clinton to lose in 2016. She didn’t even visit important states such as Michigan during her campaign. What a sad effort on her part. She deserved to lose for her cockiness and undermining a clearly dangerous Trump. 

[Helios]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

...polls have Biden winning against Trump on average by 2%, which would mean an EC loss for Biden?? 

Not the polls again. You people never learn.

[Helios]

30 minutes ago, Eat The Acid said:

She deserved to lose for her cockiness and undermining a clearly dangerous Trump. 

No she didnt. That man was the least qualified presidential candidate in history and a psychopath. What was underestimated was the stupidity of the American people. I'll be honest even I didn't think they could sink that low.

[Bloodflowers.]

1 hour ago, Helios said:

No she didnt. That man was the least qualified presidential candidate in history and a psychopath. What was underestimated was the stupidity of the American people. I'll be honest even I didn't think they could sink that low.

 

Well unfortunately for you, you don't get to decide who is going to be a president. People do. Democracy tingz! Which is why Biden should be removed right now in the primaries and we need more Democratic challengers so people can get even bigger and better options because Donald Trump is coming and he is going to win election yet again. Biden winning popular votes because of California and New York won't mean a thing when he loses swing states that he BARELY won last time in 2020.

 

[RunUpDoneUp]

Unlike voters, biden's team knows he's an idiot, a debate would only highlight that. Keep him hidden, gang!

[Gottasadae]

On 5/6/2023 at 4:46 PM, Helios said:

And who exactly do the Republicans have? An indicted con artist or a man who fights with Mickey Mouse?

The wig 

[John Slayne]

On 5/6/2023 at 8:09 PM, Cheers said:

We literally don't want Biden. He's handing over the presidency to the republicans at this point.

but I heard from ATRLers that he's going to win easily and that these are scaremongering tactics from pressed leftists

[Bloo]

14 hours ago, Helios said:

Not the polls again. You people never learn.

You realize the polls showed Trump being neck and neck in the 3 states that gave him a win in 2016, right? In fact, the last poll for a 4-way race out of Michigan had him ahead of Hillary. This anti-data aversion to the polls is baseless and unintellectual.  

[Helios]

5 minutes ago, Bloo said:

You realize the polls showed Trump being neck and neck in the 3 states that gave him a win in 2016, right? In fact, the last poll for a 4-way race out of Michigan had him ahead of Hillary. This anti-data aversion to the polls is baseless and unintellectual.  

The polls predicted a red wave in 2022 and well….let’s just say I won’t be trusting the polls anytime soon.

[Bloo]

5 minutes ago, Helios said:

The polls predicted a red wave in 2022 and well….let’s just say I won’t be trusting the polls anytime soon.

No they didn’t.  

 

Politicians and pundits were predicting a Red Wave and used the argument that “the polls aren’t trustworthy” to bolster their argument.  

Quote

Let’s give a big round of applause to the pollsters. Measuring public opinion is, in many ways, harder than ever — and yet, the polling industry just had one of its most successful election cycles in U.S. history. Despite a loud chorus of naysayers claiming that the polls were either underestimating Democratic support or biased yet again against Republicans, the polls were more accurate in 2022 than in any cycle since at least 1998, with almost no bias toward either party.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/2022-election-polling-accuracy/#:~:text=Despite a loud chorus of,no bias toward either party.

[ClashAndBurn]

2 minutes ago, Bloo said:

No they didn’t.  

 

Politicians and pundits were predicting a Red Wave and used the argument that “the polls aren’t trustworthy” to bolster their argument.  

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/2022-election-polling-accuracy/#:~:text=Despite a loud chorus of,no bias toward either party.

Reminder that Helios believes there’s a conspiracy of ATRL mods against pro-Biden voices, so it goes to show he’d be one of those who’d be like “I trust polls when they say Dems are blowing Republicans out of the water and think they’re full of **** when they show anything less than that.”

[publikcitizen]

This is hypocritical? Why didn't they do this with Clinton in 96 or Obama in 12

[Cyanide]

On 5/7/2023 at 2:38 AM, Eat The Acid said:

Sis Trump marginally lost in 2020 when democrats were fired up to vote. Democrats will not vote in same numbers in 2024. Trump can easily win the election in 2024. This complacency and arrogance of “he’s crazy” “he’s a reality TV star” is what caused Clinton to lose in 2016. She didn’t even visit important states such as Michigan during her campaign. What a sad effort on her part. She deserved to lose for her cockiness and undermining a clearly dangerous Trump. 

This like are they smoking crack?

 

why, why, WHY would we not have a primary debate? Gross anti-American “democratic” government