base talk Does ATRL put too much on focus on daily streams of old songs on Spotify?

[Stepfon]

Let's discuss.

[Orsay]

No if my fave has good recurrent streams, yes if they're bad!

 

[Paola Bracho]

ATRL puts too much focus on literally every number. 

[vale9001]

Yeah.

I still standing by Elton is making like 800k Daily where other classics are making like 300-500k.

 

This Just cause that Song some months ago was added in the first places of an 80s hits playlist with like 11 M followers. That's all. 

Saying that Song is a bigger classic than your Song cause today is making the double of Spotify streams makes no sense. 

Edited May 4, 2023 by vale9001

[Soda Pop Queen]

1 hour ago, Paola Bracho said:

ATRL puts too much focus on literally every number. 

[Donquizote]

No. 

Only stans with faves who dont have classic will think so

[BGKC]

Depends. Like there’s definitely decade defining hits with incredible recurrent streams, but when you look at the gaps between their biggest hits and the deep cuts, it becomes telling as to why so and so fell off into oblivion with their most recent projects streaming dust. 

[Bosque]

Not really? It seems like one of the best metrics to see which songs actually endured. When some former #1 hits have 50k daily streams and other have 1 million, it seems like a pretty significant metric 

[lonnie]

2 hours ago, Paola Bracho said:

ATRL puts too much focus on literally every number. 

Basically. 

 

Album sales. Tour gross. Hit singles. Even networths and earnings at some point. This is just another one and they're just shifting with industry consumption.

[CaptainMusic]

Not really, if a song from the 90s -present, especially a #1, is getting less than 100k daily streams then it’s not a classic

 

From the 80s and before I think anything above 50k daily streams is acceptable for classic status depending on the artist. 

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by CaptainMusic

[Holiest Dreams]

Only people whose faves don’t pull recurrent streams that match up with what their stans claim would say this.

 

It’s not foolproof and definitely influenced by things here and there, but as long as it’s consistent growth and stable, if the numbers are huge then it absolutely means something. However - I think it’s not very accurate for older songs, like someone else said above. But for songs that are under 15 years old it’s a fairly accurate metric, because there are some huge hits as recent as 2018, 2020 and so on that have awful recurrents despite recency bias.

[HASHTAGPOW]

I blame China

 

[vale9001]

1 hour ago, CaptainMusic said:

Not really, if a song from the 90s -present, especially a #1, is getting less than 100k daily streams then it’s not a classic

 

From the 80s and before I think anything above 50k daily streams is acceptable for classic status depending on the artist. 

 

vogue by madonna 93K streams daily. Not a classic.

 

Meanwhile one of the biggest music star in modern world in 2022

 

 

 

When a man loves a woman by Micheal bolton 81.5K daily is not a classic. You have videos of people singing this songs every two months on the voice from Nigeria to Chile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[discosean]

Yes. They try to frame it as an artist flopping or trying to drag them. It's weird and sad and says something about the posters making these posts. Those people need to go get a man and have some wild sex and if they cannot get a man, find some dildoes or a cucumber or a battery operated toothbrush. 

[Material Girl]

the focus on “recurrent streams” (which i don’t think is a real industry term), especially for older songs from the 70s, 80s, 90s or even 00s, ignores how much of those streams are usually due to playlisting

 

if you’re trying to compare how popular or big a song was the only way to do that is to put into context with the other releases at the time. 

[cockatoo]

It doesn't really work because there's a lot of "classics" that you'd put on at a party that everyone would know but you'd hardly sit around in your room/on your commute streaming

[CaptainMusic]

38 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

vogue by madonna 93K streams daily. Not a classic.

 

Meanwhile one of the biggest music star in modern world in 2022

 

 

 

When a man loves a woman by Micheal bolton 81.5K daily is not a classic. You have videos of people singing this songs every two months on the voice from Nigeria to Chile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spotify

Vogue - 93k

Vogue edit -  12k

=105k

 

That Michael Bolton cover is absolutely trash and I don’t consider it a classic. 

 

The original by Percy Sledge is the classic, it was more global despite being released by a black man in the 1960s and  has slightly less streams - 169M, doing over 50k daily which is good for a 60s song so I would consider it a classic. 
 

Therefore proving my point, you tried though 

Edited May 4, 2023 by CaptainMusic

[Gui Blackout]

3 hours ago, Donquizote said:

No. 

Only stans with faves who dont have classic will think so

Welp

[Feanor]

No, but ATRL often uses daily streams the wrong way.

 

Daily streams show which songs from around the same time are remembered and which are not. Obviously a 80s song will have worse daily streams than a 00s songs (and these type of comparisons happen often here and on stan twitter imo), so it's wrong to say that the 00s song is automatically more a (remembered) classic just because if its high streams.

But if that 80s song has better recurrent streams than other 80s songs, then yes, you can factually say it's a more remembered classic.

[bigboss]

Yes, it's ageist. Some of us still use CD players. 

[Armani?]

3 hours ago, CaptainMusic said:

Not really, if a song from the 90s -present, especially a #1, is getting less than 100k daily streams then it’s not a classic

 

 

Some songs like CYSTR are local classics and are bigger on Apple Music & Youtube so not entirely true

[Into The Void]

6 hours ago, Stepfon said:

Let's discuss.

Yes because truth it these streams go up and down like We Dont Talk Anymore did 1.004 m then 3 days later 680k lol. 

[CaptainMusic]

18 minutes ago, Armani? said:

Some songs like CYSTR are local classics and are bigger on Apple Music & Youtube so not entirely true

Im referring to global classics, that song only charted in the U.S and even there it didn’t even go Top 40, it’s not a classic to 99% of the world hence its low streams.

Edited May 4, 2023 by CaptainMusic

[Armani?]

10 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said:

Im referring to global classics, that song only charted in the U.S and even there it didn’t even go Top 40, it’s not a classic to 99% of the world hence it’s low streams.

Its units are still impressive for a #44 peaking from 1988

 

Probably 80+% of songs from that year that made Hot 100 Year End ain't Double Platinum from digital sales & streams in the US

 

But yeah, it was local which is why it's low on Spotify

Edited May 4, 2023 by Armani?

[zoldyck]

recurrent streams are literally "red/green update on kworb" of streaming era. It makes sense since, streaming is the biggest consumption and good portion of streams are made up of catalog streams.