poll Who's more of a legend: Taylor Swift or Beyoncé?

[JoeAg]

1 hour ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

Both and y’all are pathetic for trying to tear down one to uplift another 

BAM! and that’s the tea

 

/endthread

[byzantium]

Just now, Bears01 said:

I said “decorated” as in viewed higher  there’s not many people alive who would say Taylor Swift is a better singer and performer than Beyonce Knowles. 
 

Go ahead and deflect back to spotify streams, that’s genuinely about where ATRL is at now when it comes to discussing anything 

There are also not a lot of people alive that would say Beyonce is a better songwriter or musician than Taylor.  Both women have their strengths and weaknesses.  

[Devin]

28 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Stop tryna argue with numbers only

Actually lets continue the numbers argument bc if Taylor is the bigger legend, why is she practically unknown in Africa?

 

ig they skip over that and cling to Asia’s numbers

 

[Monster Queen]

3 minutes ago, BGKC said:

Is it really even that funny or is it mental illness? Rihanna out did both according to last years list so I guess they both lost. The point was Bey has topped the list in the past. 
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2014/jun/30/beyonce-knowles-oprah-forbes-most-powerful

 

I was just referring to that comment that chose “admired” as metric and suggesting that Bey has topped list as most powerful and influential, as in who cares.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinehoward/2014/05/28/the-worlds-most-powerful-women-2014/?sh=69fa7a6f7687 

It's actually Angela Merkel for the 2014 chart  At least use the official resource?

[Axelios]

Just now, Devin said:

Actually lets continue the numbers argument bc if Taylor is the bigger legend, why is she practically unknown in Africa?

She isn't. Taylor is bigger than Bey ever was in North Africa and she is decently known in the rest of Africa.

[Bears01]

Just now, byzantium said:

There are also not a lot of people alive that would say Beyonce is a better songwriter or musician than Taylor.  Both women have their strengths and weaknesses.  

There we go, finally something of substance that doesn’t default back to sales or streaming, a good step forward  however I can say when it comes to about 90% of the population who doesn’t care who’s more “global” or “sells better” and just hears the music and goes about their day and doesn’t think that much to it, I don’t think many people will care that much about how Taylor wrote those songs. But that’s worth a debate! 

[Monster Queen]

2 minutes ago, Devin said:

Actually lets continue the numbers argument bc if Taylor is the bigger legend, why is she practically unknown in Africa?

 

ig they skip over that and cling to Asia’s numbers

 

Sorry Midnights is the second-biggest female debut in Africa

But I will give it to Beyonce, so Bey is a bigger legend in Africa 

[Solaria]

Just now, The Music Industry said:

She definitely has a strong fanbase and some GP support, but people just don't use her music as much as it is made out to be. It's that simple, really. The way the media prop her music up and talk about her, you'd think she destroys the competition, which is just not the case when you objectively look at how much her music is consumed 

Isn’t Lemonade the global best selling album of 2016 and didnt ST make the 2013 IFPI YE album top 10 despite being released almost 2 weeks before the cutoff?

 

Isn’t Cuff It one of her biggest hits to date 25 years into her career? Wasn’t Renaissance the  third biggest opening week for a woman in 2022? Isn’t Beyoncé the only one out of her peers to have a platinum album in the 2020s?

[Devin]

Just now, Axelios said:

She isn't. Taylor is bigger than Bey ever was in North Africa and she is decently known in the rest of Africa.

If she so big why not she book a few STADIUMS then? Maybe the numbers don’t equate to her actual pull? 
 

[BGKC]

1 minute ago, Monster Queen said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinehoward/2014/05/28/the-worlds-most-powerful-women-2014/?sh=69fa7a6f7687 

It's actually Angela Merkel for the 2014 chart  At least use the official resource?

Who runs the world? In entertainment, it’s Beyoncé. The singer has climbed to the No. 1 spot on the Forbes Celebrity 100 after an amazing year featuring a massive tour.
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2014/06/30/beyonce-knowles-tops-the-forbes-celebrity-100-list/amp/

[The Music Industry]

1 minute ago, Love Again said:

Isn’t Lemonade the global best selling album of 2016

And now it's not even in the top 50 most daily streamed albums of 2016, so take that as you will 

[slw84]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

Both are significantly more qualified for legend status than whoever it is you stan, user GardenPanty (based on your username, I'm gonna guess Lady GaGa, who is nowhere near Taylor or Beyonce's tier of legend status)

 

There's no reason comparing or contrasting two legends or forcing them to compete - they have different strengths in different areas, and both outstrip Lady GaGa (if the OP stans someone else then I do apologise to the Monsters). 

so when people like both they create these narratives...when one or more people are compared that people don't like they are all in to shade.

 

Interesting...

 

that said, Beyonce but Taylor is naturally more powerful.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Other than sales in what world is Taylor Swift qualified to be a legend?

 

[Monster Queen]

Just now, Love Again said:

Isn’t Lemonade the global best selling album of 2016 and didnt ST make the 2013 IFPI YE album top 10 despite being released almost 2 weeks before the cutoff?

 

Isn’t Cuff It one of her biggest hits to date 25 years into her career? Wasn’t Renaissance the  third biggest opening week for a woman in 2022? Isn’t Beyoncé the only one out of her peers to have a platinum album in the 2020s?

So Taylor is the first and only artist to Top IFPI YE artist 3 times, next! 

[Axelios]

2 minutes ago, Devin said:

If she so big why not she book a few STADIUMS then? Maybe the numbers don’t equate to her actual pull? 

Because it's not profitable/isn't logistically feasible for her to do that? What a stupid argument, I guess Beyonce is not really big in any country where she never booked stadiums?

Edited April 29, 2023 by Axelios

[FolkLover1989]

2 minutes ago, BGKC said:

Who runs the world? In entertainment, it’s Beyoncé. The singer has climbed to the No. 1 spot on the Forbes Celebrity 100 after an amazing year featuring a massive tour.
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2014/06/30/beyonce-knowles-tops-the-forbes-celebrity-100-list/amp/

That is celebrity 100 list 

Taylor has topped this too

 

This is not most powerful list 

You all are just ....

[Monster Queen]

3 minutes ago, BGKC said:

Who runs the world? In entertainment, it’s Beyoncé. The singer has climbed to the No. 1 spot on the Forbes Celebrity 100 after an amazing year featuring a massive tour.
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2014/06/30/beyonce-knowles-tops-the-forbes-celebrity-100-list/amp/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_Celebrity_100 

So now you're talking about Celebrity 100?

So Taylor 2016 and 2019

Beyonce only 2014 

I literally can't, you're so embarrassed

[The Music Industry]

4 minutes ago, BGKC said:

Who runs the world? In entertainment, it’s Beyoncé. The singer has climbed to the No. 1 spot on the Forbes Celebrity 100 after an amazing year featuring a massive tour.
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2014/06/30/beyonce-knowles-tops-the-forbes-celebrity-100-list/amp/

The Celebrity 100 is *literally* a list of the highest-paid celebrities. Taylor topped it in the past as well... 2 times (soon 3). You're not proving anything 

Edited April 29, 2023 by The Music Industry

[Devin]

All that hootin and hollering meanwhile… 

 

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

And now it's not even in the top 50 most daily streamed albums of 2016, so take that as you will 

The poll results have you FUMING seeing as you now have a multi page meltdown  sis, go get some air. Taylor’s stats and “status” isn’t yours 

[Monster Queen]

4 minutes ago, BGKC said:

Who runs the world? In entertainment, it’s Beyoncé. The singer has climbed to the No. 1 spot on the Forbes Celebrity 100 after an amazing year featuring a massive tour.
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2014/06/30/beyonce-knowles-tops-the-forbes-celebrity-100-list/amp/

So according to your theory, Taylor has topped this list twice, Bey only once, Taylor is a bigger legend! Next! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_Celebrity_100 

[PoisonedIvy]

Just now, Elusive Chanteuse said:

Other than sales in what world is Taylor Swift qualified to be a legend?

 

(Not endorsing this thread or the devaluation of either women but—)

 

to respond to this notion, I want to call attention to some of the biggest touring acts of all time: Madonna, Rolling Stones, Elton John, etc. You don’t get to be THAT big unless you have a catalogue that is revered by millions upon millions of people across many different demographics throughout various countries and nations.

 

Taylor is a legend in that her catalogue is loved and adored on a scope that all musicians aspire to. You can ignore her behemoth streams and her gargantuan sales and you’d still see she is a one of, if not THE most adored musician of our generation based on how massive her tours are. She’s a cultural phenomenon.

[byzantium]

2 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

There we go, finally something of substance that doesn’t default back to sales or streaming, a good step forward  however I can say when it comes to about 90% of the population who doesn’t care who’s more “global” or “sells better” and just hears the music and goes about their day and doesn’t think that much to it, I don’t think many people will care that much about how Taylor wrote those songs. But that’s worth a debate! 

Now look who is talking about sales and popularity.  You couldn't even follow your own advice.  

The 90% of the population doesn't care about performance either.  They care about the ultimate quality of the song.  Now if only there was some objective way to determine what songs 90% of the population chooses to enjoy... 

[Monster Queen]

Just now, Devin said:

All that hootin and hollering meanwhile… 

 

Congrats to Bey who debut 8 years earlier than Taylor to be considered "more like a legend!" in ATRL! Both were successful legend though

[Solaria]

6 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

And now it's not even in the top 50 most daily streamed albums of 2016, so take that as you will 

It is, and it wasnt even on streaming during its peak performance  that affects its longevity